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Post by jester on Jan 30, 2007 12:18:59 GMT -5
Meaning , I understand everyone's points and agree that we're never all going to agree on things.
I was one of the main stays in only liking what I could see. My friends had to drag me to a ROH show in Pittsburgh. I had no desire to go and watch a lot bums I didn't know and that were not on TV. The main event was supposed to be A.J. Styles and Amazing Red vs. Christopher Daniels and Paul London ( I didn't care because who were these nobodies) but Styles was hurt so it turned out to be round robin tournament between the other three. There was no pyro or blaring entrance music or cool light show but there was one of the best damn wrestling shows I ever saw bar none. Also on the card was Samoa Joe defending his title vs. Nigel McGenus , Homicide and the MOST IMO wicked chair shot in the history of wrestling. I was hooked....Just because you can't see something on TV or have it force fed to you by the media doesn't make it not good , there's A LOT of great Indy films you might never see unless you look for them. On TV don't make something good , case in point TNA. One last thing has anyone who says ROH is junk or whatever ever been to a ROH show? If you have and still think it sucks then that's your right, but I'm betting with all the smart promoters on here you just might like it.
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Post by swarm on Jan 30, 2007 13:09:46 GMT -5
No. And here's why. The WWE is the king of this business. And if you are not in the WWE, or headed there sooner or later, I don't care about you.
I love the NFL. I don't watch stupid Canadian Football, and I don't watch Arena Football, so why would I care about "Bryan Danielson" (great name btw, very catchy), and ROH?
I watch College Football because that's where the next best NFL players are going to come from...kind of like OVW.
ROH and TNA is where the guys who can't make it big in this business go. Doesn't interest me. .
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Jan 30, 2007 13:19:20 GMT -5
No. And here's why. The WWE is the king of this business. And if you are not in the WWE, or headed there sooner or later, I don't care about you. I love the NFL. I don't watch stupid Canadian Football, and I don't watch Arena Football, so why would I care about "Bryan Danielson" (great name btw, very catchy), and ROH? I watch College Football because that's where the next best NFL players are going to come from...kind of like OVW. ROH and TNA is where the guys who can't make it big in this business go. Doesn't interest me. . Out of curiosity, was this your attitude during the Monday Night Wars era as well or just in the wake of WCW's demise? |
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Post by BDS on Jan 30, 2007 13:25:09 GMT -5
Bryan Danielson has almost every single tool needed to be a star in the WWE. He's good in the ring, he's good on the mic, and he knows how to work the crowd. The only thing he's missing is about six inches of height and a liberal dosing of roids.
Great Khali can be the centerpiece of a program there not because he's talented, because he isn't, but because he's a freak. An exciting, proficient wrestler who isn't enormous, though, like a Bryan Danielson (or a Paul London, James Gibson, Bryan Kendrick, etc.) gets overlooked and languishes on the lower card. That's why I don't watch the E anymore.
That and the corpse humping.
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Post by swarm on Jan 30, 2007 13:32:35 GMT -5
Bryan Danielson has almost every single tool needed to be a star in the WWE. He's good in the ring, he's good on the mic, and he knows how to work the crowd. The only thing he's missing is about six inches of height and a liberal dosing of roids. Great Khali can be the centerpiece of a program there not because he's talented, because he isn't, but because he's a freak. An exciting, proficient wrestler who isn't enormous, though, like a Bryan Danielson (or a Paul London, James Gibson, Bryan Kendrick, etc.) gets overlooked and languishes on the lower card. That's why I don't watch the E anymore. That and the corpse humping. I hear this argument a lot and then guys like Benoit, Hart, HBK and Eddie Guerrero get brought up. The WWE isn't the land of the giants like a lot of people like to say it is. Truth is, you need way, way, way more than to be a great technical wrestler to be a star in this business, and if Bryan Danielson had any more than that, I'm sure he'd be under contract to WWE, but he isn't. |
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Post by swarm on Jan 30, 2007 13:32:56 GMT -5
No. And here's why. The WWE is the king of this business. And if you are not in the WWE, or headed there sooner or later, I don't care about you. I love the NFL. I don't watch stupid Canadian Football, and I don't watch Arena Football, so why would I care about "Bryan Danielson" (great name btw, very catchy), and ROH? I watch College Football because that's where the next best NFL players are going to come from...kind of like OVW. ROH and TNA is where the guys who can't make it big in this business go. Doesn't interest me. . Out of curiosity, was this your attitude during the Monday Night Wars era as well or just in the wake of WCW's demise? No and Yes. |
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Post by BDS on Jan 30, 2007 13:43:56 GMT -5
I hear this argument a lot and then guys like Benoit, Hart, HBK and Eddie Guerrero get brought up. The WWE isn't the land of the giants like a lot of people like to say it is. Truth is, you need way, way, way more than to be a great technical wrestler to be a star in this business, and if Bryan Danielson had any more than that, I'm sure he'd be under contract to WWE, but he isn't. Danielson's not under contract to the E by choice. We went over this the last time we had this discussion.  |
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Post by swarm on Jan 30, 2007 14:13:45 GMT -5
Well then he's an idiot. Just my opinion.
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Post by blueraider2 on Jan 30, 2007 14:20:26 GMT -5
maybe hes not a idiot.hes probably better off where he is.jmo
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Post by swarm on Jan 30, 2007 14:25:55 GMT -5
Maybe. But I don't possibly see how. Maybe he doesn't like or need money. I don't know.
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Post by BDS on Jan 30, 2007 14:27:58 GMT -5
Well then he's an idiot. Just my opinion. And I think he's principled. Like you said, it's just opinion. |
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Post by swarm on Jan 30, 2007 14:28:56 GMT -5
What makes him principled?
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Post by Aquinas on Jan 30, 2007 14:40:44 GMT -5
From the sound of it, Sting never wrestled for WWE/F out of the "principal" of it. I think that's admirable. TNA is no saint in its own right, so that leads to some debate, but I think it's admirable that a guy doesn't do everything in his career based solely on money.
If your sole motivation is money, and you're happy, that's fine. But that ought not be a sole motivation for EVERYBODY in a business.
I watch WWE every week, so I'm not going to bash it for its moral lowground or all its faults -- but you certainly can make a laundry list of trashy things the WWE has done, and Vince in particular. And you can point out the "Cliches" over the years that hold people down....and I'm sure that still goes on right now with The Son in Law and others.
If Danielson (who I don't know the first thing about other than by name) is opting to stick where he's at instead of going to the big money and limelight of WWE, that's cool with me. Just because the WWE is on top doesn't mean it's better.
If I judged everything I did based on what's popular, I'd watch crap TV shows like American Idol, use PCs instead of Mac, and listen to junk like hip hop or whatever else is #1 on the charts.
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Post by swarm on Jan 30, 2007 14:47:30 GMT -5
Sting didn't need to wrestle in the WWE. he made tons of money in WCW.
And yes, number one means "best". Same way green means "go." C'mon.
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Post by theringmaster on Jan 30, 2007 14:53:34 GMT -5
For those WWE or nothing people juss wondering about oversea talent? Mistico is awesome and countless Japanese superstars would tear a new hole in the most if not all The E's "sports entertainers" or TNA's wrestlers. Of course like everthing there are exceptions (Benoit, London, Spanky, Daniels, Styles, etc.) So in your opinions if they are not paid to be in sometime ludicrous storylines or forced to put over monsters or the new guy of the month or married into the family members they are not equals? They have failed in the goals have been denyed there dreams have not succeeded in the chosen profession?
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Post by swarm on Jan 30, 2007 15:19:27 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that if you are not in the WWE you suck as a wrestler. That's it.
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Post by Aquinas on Jan 30, 2007 15:29:26 GMT -5
That couldn't be further from the truth. When guys like Khali, Viscera, Test, Lashley, Batista, the McMahons! (when they actually crap on the wrestling world by -wrestling-), Kane, Ric Flair (current day that is) are taking up primetime in the ring, that statement is completely false. All I'm saying is that if you are not in the WWE you suck as a wrestler. That's it. |
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Post by theringmaster on Jan 30, 2007 15:30:43 GMT -5
That couldn't be further from the truth. When guys like Khali, Viscera, Test, Lashley, Batista, the McMahons! (when they actually crap on the wrestling world by -wrestling-), Kane, Ric Flair (current day that is) are taking up primetime in the ring, that statement is completely false. All I'm saying is that if you are not in the WWE you suck as a wrestler. That's it. TRUTH! |
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Post by swarm on Jan 30, 2007 15:36:27 GMT -5
That couldn't be further from the truth. When guys like Khali, Viscera, Test, Lashley, Batista, the McMahons! (when they actually crap on the wrestling world by -wrestling-), Kane, Ric Flair (current day that is) are taking up primetime in the ring, that statement is completely false. TRUTH! I really don't get this point at all. I'm pretty sure Batista, Flair, Kane, Khali, Lashley and himself make Vince money by being on TV and being positioned on the card where they are. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post, I don't know. |
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Post by Aquinas on Jan 30, 2007 15:39:14 GMT -5
I really don't get this point at all. I'm pretty sure Batista, Flair, Kane, Khali, Lashley and himself make Vince money by being on TV and being positioned on the card where they are. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post, I don't know. I'm talking -wrestlers- and their talents. I myself don't give a rip how much money they bring into the WWE. That's not why I watch wrestling. If that's your sole line of thinking, then you ought not comment about quality of matches or in-ring skills -- it should be: "Royal Rumble was a great PPV because it brought in X dollars" "X is a great wrestler because he sold more t-shirts last month than any other wrestler" That's fine, but I don't think most wrestling fans (or any fans of any entertainment form) actually think that way. |
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