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Post by gatekeeper on Jan 28, 2007 1:21:53 GMT -5
The fact that when I say ROH and you think flips is a prime indicator that you really need to sit down and watch that product. You may be surprised. I know they do more than flip. It's a much stiffer style. But it's not on TV so it makes it a little hard to watch. |
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Post by Mark 138 on Jan 28, 2007 1:39:36 GMT -5
Oh man, I haven't posted here in months and I feel like I'm about to step in "it". But anyway...
I can tell you from firsthand conversations with people in TNA that have worked with him that there are people who really don't like working with Joe and his overly stiff style. Also, joe is in horrible shape for the type of wrestling he does and that has led to him actually injuring himself twice within the past year. Even if a guy doesn't want to look like Charles Atlas, or even Tony Atlas,,,hell, Omar Atlas, it's important to be in some kind of ring shape. Especially if a wrestler's style is going to be ultra-physical. I'm not a big believer that everyone has to look like an Olympian in wrestling, but they do have to stretch and strengthen their bodies if they don't want to be a liability to themselves and their opponents. Joe has unapologetically shrugged off comments on his lack of conditioning by flatly stating that "that's just who I am" or "that's just me" on at least two occassions I have heard. To me, that sounds lazy.
BTW, this doesn't come from a TNA "hater" by any means. I actually usually watch both the Thursday show and the Saturday re-broadcast. I'm pulling for them to survive and thrive to give guys another good paying place to get steady work in wrestling. I just don't care for Joe's attitude or outlook and I think he needs to man up and take a little more pride in his appearance and conditioning for his sake, his companies sake, and the health of his oppoenents (since his lack of control of his own body has caused more than a couple of injuries).
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Post by bmurderh8s on Jan 28, 2007 1:44:19 GMT -5
Bubba Ho tep avatar...I love it Mark! Great Movie...
I know it has nothing to do with TNA..but who cares...:-)
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Post by swarm on Jan 28, 2007 10:51:07 GMT -5
Oh man, I haven't posted here in months and I feel like I'm about to step in "it". But anyway... I can tell you from firsthand conversations with people in TNA that have worked with him that there are people who really don't like working with Joe and his overly stiff style. Also, joe is in horrible shape for the type of wrestling he does and that has led to him actually injuring himself twice within the past year. Even if a guy doesn't want to look like Charles Atlas, or even Tony Atlas,,,hell, Omar Atlas, it's important to be in some kind of ring shape. Especially if a wrestler's style is going to be ultra-physical. I'm not a big believer that everyone has to look like an Olympian in wrestling, but they do have to stretch and strengthen their bodies if they don't want to be a liability to themselves and their opponents. Joe has unapologetically shrugged off comments on his lack of conditioning by flatly stating that "that's just who I am" or "that's just me" on at least two occassions I have heard. To me, that sounds lazy. BTW, this doesn't come from a TNA "hater" by any means. I actually usually watch both the Thursday show and the Saturday re-broadcast. I'm pulling for them to survive and thrive to give guys another good paying place to get steady work in wrestling. I just don't care for Joe's attitude or outlook and I think he needs to man up and take a little more pride in his appearance and conditioning for his sake, his companies sake, and the health of his oppoenents (since his lack of control of his own body has caused more than a couple of injuries). Strong post. Strong sig. Welcome back. |
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Post by theringmaster on Jan 28, 2007 11:54:50 GMT -5
First I wanna second the kudos to the Bubba HoTep Avatar! Now to TNA, I have actually read alot of good ideas here. First I like Nash, Douglas & Tenay as annoucers someone mentioned that and I think it would work. For those 2 West lovers... he sucks. I mean at his current job. His screaming nonsense however I COULD and would accept as a manager role perhaps with Samoa Joe. I would give him someone else to, someone with talent who just can't get his due someone like Jay Lethal. That just came off the top of my head though. Maybe Bobby Roode. In some earlier posts there was praise and some hate for Austin Starr. I happen to like him and what he is doing. I would start a SLOW push for him firstly grabbing the X, then I think a tag title with a nice partner I prefer CCCC. Cage is cool Tomko isn't. WHY is he there? If he has to be there he should be jobbing to Lance Hoyt or turn into a meatwad by Abyss or Rhino on a regular basis. I also agree with the continued pushed to the heavens of LAX and the "letting go" of VKM. Why Billy Gunn has been wrestling for this long and getting paid for it is beyond me. Jesse James I have nothing against but his current role is retarded. He would be a good interviewer so demote him to that. It has been mentioned and I will second that TNA should be cutting cost letting people go and doing all the possibly can to offer Rob Van Dam a suitable contract when his expires. RVD on TNA I think is a must and a smart move. I would also bring back Sabu. I would have Sabu be managed by Mitchell and feud with RVD when/if he gets there. If it is decided NOT to bring back Sabu then I would stick Mitchell with Rhino. Of course I would get rid of Russo and shoot whomever idea it was to bring him back Ol' Jeffy J isn't immune. If it was his idea BANG!!!!! I would also hire recent WWE layoffs Terkay and the Bashams as well as some other odd talent like Milano Connection AT (if he is healed) and maybe shop the west coast & Far East for some talent or two. As far as Sting is concerned.... Never been a fan. I do understand that he brings veteran leadership and worldwide fans so I would keep him as long as possible in the same role as he is now. Every I dunno 3 to 5 months I would have him headline a payperview trying to grab the title and failing. When he isn't doing that I would have him in feuds with the lifes of Jarrett, & Abyss. OH and who idea was it to turn the babyface of babyfaces AJ Styles into a heel busting the head open of the Rhino? That is the lamest crap. Styles should be feuding with Daniels and Cage and Senshi recieving the claps of the Orlando crowd as he performs his spectacular moveset. Rhino would Gore his a** in half. That feud is dumb. Ok I am tired of typing.
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Post by Mark 138 on Jan 28, 2007 12:44:11 GMT -5
that's a lot of stuff to address in one post, ringmaster. Most of it's opinion-based though, and I won't argue another person's opinion. It's yours to keep, whether I agree or not is my belief. However, I will note that I think Don West in a manager role for someone like Joe would be a bad fit. I think they'd be best served with giving him a two minute segment on each show where he shills for TNA's online shop and promotes his "deal of the day" from the web site, in the mode of the old shop at home stuff that he's famous for. That's it, nothing more until his contract expires. I personally just tune him out when I watch, but he annoys a lot of people and that's not a good thing.
As far as why Russo loves to turn bland babyfaces heel, it's just his backwards logic at work. As soon as he showed up, AJ and Chris Sabin started theirturns. I think it was even on the same show, or at least back to back weeks. He seems to think that if someone shows no charisma as a face switching them heel will automatically make the fans care about them. The problem is, to be a heel of the kind they're shooting for with Sabin and AJ, a guy needs charisma and personality to spare. He needs to be so obnoxious, vile, or generally unlikeable that they overlook the spectacular moves and athleticism and just plain hate the guy. Attakcing the "good guy" just isn't enough if they can't portray that character. AJ has always been exciting to watch for the people who enjoy his style, but he's never had the personality to take it to the next level. You could use the Chris Benoit defense, but Benoit has always portrayed a sense of killer intensity with his lack of charisma that got him over. AJ is just an somewhat average looking guy who happens to be a very good athlete.
If it were me, I'd have gone WAY in the other direction. I'd have acknowledged his humble roots and played it like a guy overcoming his southern trailer park roots where everyone treated him like dirt and making something of himself. I'd have turned him into a super-positive role model type guy who stands up for what he thinks is right and may get beat down for it, but always comes back for more. Because, as it stands, they have NO faces on top except for Sting now that Russo is back to his ways of trying to make everyone who's not a heel a convoluted "tweener" (Joe, Angle who even admitted he doesn't know if he's supposed to be heel or face, VKM with a partner on either side of the fence, Daniels with his "I'm frustrated and at a crossrods" promo last week, Abyss,ect). Fans can't get behind someon if they're always confused on where the guy stands.
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Post by BDS on Jan 29, 2007 14:39:12 GMT -5
And I doubt many people would say that the ROH title was the most prestigious title in North America. I think YOU and many indy lovers want to believe that, but there is no way in hell that is true. I wouldn't even say that, and I've called John Cena a festering pile of dog crap. |
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Post by swarm on Jan 29, 2007 14:50:57 GMT -5
And I doubt many people would say that the ROH title was the most prestigious title in North America. I think YOU and many indy lovers want to believe that, but there is no way in hell that is true. I wouldn't even say that, and I've called John Cena a festering pile of dog crap. The Galaxian Title in THE GREATEST FED IN THE GALAXY is more important than the ROH Title and that is just a belt for a paper card wrestling game. |
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Post by blueraider2 on Jan 29, 2007 14:53:54 GMT -5
beauty is in the eye of the beholder guys.what looks good to one may not be to someone else.no smiley
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Post by Knapik on Jan 29, 2007 19:43:34 GMT -5
In my eyes the Ring of Honor World Heavyweight Title is the most prestigous wrestling title around right now. The length of title runs and quality of those holding the title (Danielson, Samoa Joe, Punk, and now Homicide) means a lot to me. I understand how a WWE fan would consider it crap, but I honestly watch more RoH these days. When Danielson lost, it was the biggest thing in many of our wrestling worlds.
That being said, the Galaxian title in TGFITG is bigger than any wrestling title... right? It's not called The Greatest for no reason. BTW where has the fed been? Working too much? Did you just finish 2121?
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Post by blueraider2 on Jan 29, 2007 19:44:40 GMT -5
he s been busy with promoter madness jon-boy.  |
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Post by Knapik on Jan 29, 2007 20:01:37 GMT -5
oh word.
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Post by blueraider2 on Jan 29, 2007 20:03:24 GMT -5
yes its true jon.  |
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Post by swarm on Jan 29, 2007 21:21:47 GMT -5
In my eyes the Ring of Honor World Heavyweight Title is the most prestigous wrestling title around right now. Whatever it is you are smoking can you please send me some? also, just updated TGFITG. had 2 cards over the weekend. |
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Post by gatekeeper on Jan 29, 2007 23:30:30 GMT -5
In my eyes the Ring of Honor World Heavyweight Title is the most prestigous wrestling title around right now. The length of title runs and quality of those holding the title (Danielson, Samoa Joe, Punk, and now Homicide) means a lot to me. I understand how a WWE fan would consider it crap, but I honestly watch more RoH these days. When Danielson lost, it was the biggest thing in many of our wrestling worlds. That's fine, if ROH is your cup of tea, cool. But when people make blanket statements like the ROH title is the most prestigious title in the world is just plain wrong. That means the person actually believes that most people have the same opinion, unless they use the phrase, "in my opinion." ROH isn't even on TV. That's like saying my subdivision flag football championship is more prestigious than the SuperBowl. If ROH is your favorite, that's fine. But don't pretend that they even hold a candle to the prestige of the WWE. Like it or not WWE is the most successful wrestling company of all time. So, it's hard to sell the argument that a fed that isn't even on TV is "more prestigious." It might be your cup of tea, but you are in the minority. |
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Post by swarm on Jan 29, 2007 23:53:24 GMT -5
. When Danielson lost, it was the biggest thing in many of our wrestling worlds. dude Christopher Daniels loses all the time. Don't you watch TNA? |
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Post by jester on Jan 30, 2007 0:07:55 GMT -5
He said Danielson , as in AMERICAN DRAGON Brian Danielson.
Also Payback he didn't make a blanket statement, he said in his eyes blah blah blah.
ROH does rule , in a lot of peoples eyes....
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Post by gatekeeper on Jan 30, 2007 0:59:25 GMT -5
He said Danielson , as in AMERICAN DRAGON Brian Danielson. Also Payback he didn't make a blanket statement, he said in his eyes blah blah blah. ROH does rule , in a lot of peoples eyes.... I know HE did, but there are some posters who don't say 'IMO.' That was really my point. And there's obviously not that many people who think ROH is sweet because if it was, it would be on TV and people might actually know who some of those wrestlers are without having to go on YouTube. |
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Post by Knapik on Jan 30, 2007 2:11:08 GMT -5
There are a lot of great things out there in the world if you're just willing to look. RoH is pretty sweet. There's a lot of awesome music and movies most people won't ever see because they just eat what they are fed. Nothing wrong with that if it satisfies you, but for some of us it isn't enough. I like cool pro wrestling, and I found it.
And no, I don't watch TNA. If I wanted to watch crappy wrestling... well... I'd watch TNA haha...
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Post by jester on Jan 30, 2007 11:44:05 GMT -5
Understood and agreed
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