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Post by Mr. Jimmyface on Feb 21, 2007 20:51:44 GMT -5
Hey everyone... Before thinking this is a negative post from me, just read all the way through and hear me out. I have a lot of love for COTG and everyone involved. And I also have a lot of love for COTGOnline, which I think is the Cat's Pajamas (and for those of you who immediately thought of Barry Lillis and Randy Naughton when I said that, please PM me - I owe you a Coke!) But in discussing the game across the board, I have heard that future game editions may be released as exclusively online editions. While I like having COTGOnline as a game option, I am concerned that future editions of games will only be available in the one format, and the other format will be ignored. Yes, I am old school and love the paper and dice version of the game. I have loved it since I first played it nearly 20 years ago at a friends house, and have since spent a lot of time playing, collecting and revelling in COTG fun. And yes, I would love to see the COTGOnline experience to see what it is like. The thought of watching a fed come to life on my computer is awesome! I am not saying one format is better than another, because that is up to you, Promoter! But what I am not happy with is the thought of game editions being available as exclusively online or exclusively on paper on a go forward basis. Now, I understand that there are a lot of editions out there that will need to be gradually incorporated into COTGOnline, and that will take time and effort, and I am glad for that there is an effort going into bringing previous editions into COTGOnline format. And for marketing sake, I can even see having an exclusive character released in one format over the other, but not entire sets. What makes me unhappy is the thought of something being deliberately created for one format over the other in times to come. I do not want to see new editions that can only be made available online. I do not want to see new editions that can only be available on paper with no option of them ever being online. I may be greedy when I say this, but I would love to see future game editions available in BOTH the original paper format and the new COTGOnline format. I know that there will be preferences on which format a promoter likes better, but I would hate to be a promoter who has chose the one format they love to play, and to know that there is a edition coming that will not fit into that format. Relax all - I'm not going to go around bashing anyone over this, nor doing one of those "I'm not gonna play anymore and it's all your fault" flavored tirades where I come off like a prima ballerina with a hole in her tights.That kind of drama is played out. I love COTG and everyone who plays the game and everyone who makes the game happen. The good times and friendships this game has given my life are immeasurable. I am simply asking everyone involved in game production to consider making future editions of GWF, CPC, LOW and aCe available in both regular and COTGOnline format. The means of producing sets in both formats is already possible. You have two emerging and growing fan markets that want to see the new stories and characters come alive in their fed, no matter how it is played. Please keep them in mind when making these new sets. Thanks all!  |
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Post by swarm on Feb 21, 2007 21:13:51 GMT -5
I'm sure if money grew on trees Tom would offer the cards on gold bricks but it doesn't and unfortunately there are business reason for aCe and CPC to go exclusively on-line and it just is what it is.
No reason to apologize for having passion but the truth is there is a bazillion more positive reasons to be excited about COTG On-line vs. focusing on the few and far between it is what it is aspects.
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Post by stephenvegas on Feb 21, 2007 21:38:39 GMT -5
From what I understand from previous posts, if you subscribe to COTGONLINE then you have the option of printing out the cards anyways for the on-line exclusive editions.
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Post by Pointed on Feb 21, 2007 23:19:26 GMT -5
Hey everyone... Before thinking this is a negative post from me, just read all the way through and hear me out. I have a lot of love for COTG and everyone involved. And I also have a lot of love for COTGOnline, which I think is the Cat's Pajamas (and for those of you who immediately thought of Barry Lillis and Randy Naughton when I said that, please PM me - I owe you a Coke!) But in discussing the game across the board, I have heard that future game editions may be released as exclusively online editions. While I like having COTGOnline as a game option, I am concerned that future editions of games will only be available in the one format, and the other format will be ignored. Yes, I am old school and love the paper and dice version of the game. I have loved it since I first played it nearly 20 years ago at a friends house, and have since spent a lot of time playing, collecting and revelling in COTG fun. And yes, I would love to see the COTGOnline experience to see what it is like. The thought of watching a fed come to life on my computer is awesome! I am not saying one format is better than another, because that is up to you, Promoter! But what I am not happy with is the thought of game editions being available as exclusively online or exclusively on paper on a go forward basis. Now, I understand that there are a lot of editions out there that will need to be gradually incorporated into COTGOnline, and that will take time and effort, and I am glad for that there is an effort going into bringing previous editions into COTGOnline format. And for marketing sake, I can even see having an exclusive character released in one format over the other, but not entire sets. What makes me unhappy is the thought of something being deliberately created for one format over the other in times to come. I do not want to see new editions that can only be made available online. I do not want to see new editions that can only be available on paper with no option of them ever being online. I may be greedy when I say this, but I would love to see future game editions available in BOTH the original paper format and the new COTGOnline format. I know that there will be preferences on which format a promoter likes better, but I would hate to be a promoter who has chose the one format they love to play, and to know that there is a edition coming that will not fit into that format. Relax all - I'm not going to go around bashing anyone over this, nor doing one of those "I'm not gonna play anymore and it's all your fault" flavored tirades where I come off like a prima ballerina with a hole in her tights.That kind of drama is played out. I love COTG and everyone who plays the game and everyone who makes the game happen. The good times and friendships this game has given my life are immeasurable. I am simply asking everyone involved in game production to consider making future editions of GWF, CPC, LOW and aCe available in both regular and COTGOnline format. The means of producing sets in both formats is already possible. You have two emerging and growing fan markets that want to see the new stories and characters come alive in their fed, no matter how it is played. Please keep them in mind when making these new sets. Thanks all! I have had the same concerns as well, and not to hijack the thread, but has anyone considered that everything will be on COTG online only in a predetermined date? Basically I'm asking if anyone thinks that this is the first step to going online and that's it, no more cards (unless you print them yourselves)? |
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Post by Talison on Feb 22, 2007 2:15:23 GMT -5
This is one of many reasons I am not sold on online. I hope to be in the future, but it just isn't clicking for me as of now.
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Post by BDS on Feb 22, 2007 8:26:18 GMT -5
To reiterate what Swarm said, the reason that aCe (and presumably CPC) will be going to COTGonline-only releases is simply economics. Those two sets don't make enough money in the print format to justify the continued cost of printing. It's an unfortunate reality of business.
It's not like the choice here is between aCe continuing to be on paper or aCe on COTGonline only. The choice is between aCe on COTGonline only or no aCe, and the former is the much more palatable option of those two to me.
We're going to make it as easy as possible for people to print out copies of the all-digital sets. Even I want to have the cards. As a fan of the game, one of my favorite things to do with it is to just sit down with my cards and look through them and compare them, and I love taking the cards to the table and playing with the kids. So there will definitely be a way for you to print the all-digital sets out.
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Post by Mr. Jimmyface on Feb 22, 2007 17:52:29 GMT -5
If they can be printed out, then I am a happy boy again!
Thanks to everyone for taking the time to address this!
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Post by BDS on Feb 22, 2007 18:13:27 GMT -5
If they can be printed out, then I am a happy boy again! Thanks to everyone for taking the time to address this! No problem! |
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Post by Pride on Feb 22, 2007 23:23:36 GMT -5
well not to still the thread here but why not have it set up where we can just purches the cards on pdf like the online books and print it our selves and not have to get the on-line gaming system.wont that make everyone happy?would that be more cost saving?
i mean not to thrash anyone but you guys dont even know how much your going to be charging for the on-line version. i mean what are your thoughts on the pricing 34-50 dollars?will your price be day,month,year?
i just saying if you put the cards in an pdf section on the home page sale the pdf's at the same price like the on-line books.if you do this we still would not be waiting for aCe,we could be playing it while you guys tweek out the bugs in the On-line system.
i think that would have been an fair trade.but what do i know you hardly ever barely respond when i ask questions.
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Post by Hegemony on Feb 22, 2007 23:24:55 GMT -5
well not to still the thread here but why not have it set up where we can just purches the cards on pdf like the online books and print it our selves and not have to get the on-line gaming system.wont that make everyone happy?would that be more cost saving? i mean not to thrash anyone but you guys dont even know how much your going to be charging for the on-line version. i mean what are your thoughts on the pricing 34-50 dollars?will your price be day,month,year? i just saying if you put the cards in an pdf section on the home page sale the pdf's at the same price like the on-line books.if you do this we still would not be waiting for aCe,we could be playing it while you guys tweek out the bugs in the On-line system. i think that would have been an fair trade.but what do i know you hardly ever barely respond when i ask questions. I think this is a tremendous idea Pride. |
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Post by swarm on Feb 22, 2007 23:40:45 GMT -5
The whole point of making the new sets "exclusive" to COTG Online is for you to buy and play COTG Online. From a business aspect it's brilliant. I'm pretty sure this won't break your wallet. I don't think it's going to be as expensive as everyone seems to think it's going to be. I really don't.
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Post by theringmaster on Feb 23, 2007 1:49:15 GMT -5
well not to still the thread here but why not have it set up where we can just purches the cards on pdf like the online books and print it our selves and not have to get the on-line gaming system.wont that make everyone happy?would that be more cost saving? i mean not to thrash anyone but you guys dont even know how much your going to be charging for the on-line version. i mean what are your thoughts on the pricing 34-50 dollars?will your price be day,month,year? i just saying if you put the cards in an pdf section on the home page sale the pdf's at the same price like the on-line books.if you do this we still would not be waiting for aCe,we could be playing it while you guys tweek out the bugs in the On-line system. i think that would have been an fair trade.but what do i know you hardly ever barely respond when i ask questions. I AGREE,. GOOD IDEA!. |
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Post by blueraider2 on Feb 23, 2007 7:06:20 GMT -5
well if its 35 per day pride, neily no buyee ok.  |
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Post by Pride on Feb 23, 2007 9:43:37 GMT -5
The whole point of making the new sets "exclusive" to COTG Online is for you to buy and play COTG Online. From a business aspect it's brilliant. I'm pretty sure this won't break your wallet. I don't think it's going to be as expensive as everyone seems to think it's going to be. I really don't. i know this swarm im still getting on-line when the time is right(when ever i get to my wifes duty station,she wants it too)im just saying ....they can make money off it know and everyone that dont want the COTG on-line can still get what they want.in stead of losing a few ppl who dont want the online.they still can get their money so they can do more COTG stuff.like making COTG comic book series and more.they can put out new match charts very quickly with out the wait.just for an tempary ideal.im no fool i know there will be online only speical cards matches and stuff.but to keep the fans you have sometimes you have to do things beyond the call of duty.i keep seeing all these COTG products for sale because they feel "betrayed" and brushed to the side.i felt this.but im one of the ones thats going to push on.but lets keep everyone playing COTG. lets not turn people away.i think this is an good way to keep some fans. if i could do it i would get COTG get the aCe set and send it to those whom want it but cant.and send the money back to Tom.but there are a few reasons i wont.  1.i dont think Tom would like it.its stepping on way to many toes.  2.i dont have the time.  3.im not going to buy the state of the art printer copier office verison.it runs about 1500 min.  4.its not creation and i was not envited to join and i dont know how to run an buisness.(i just know how to run an tank crew or an small squad of soilders in an combat zone).i know when somethings over my ability.  the flag ship product in any company will always make more money.else the company would not be an company.in my opion the other products are great,but if over half your new set is updated wrestlers how long do you think the fans as an whole are going to keep buying it.no offence but honestly.the other two great sets could have sold more if it was not for the upgrades every set has.i think its great having updated wrestlers,but some people dont. i have another i deal....why not come out with sets with the whole fed 24 wrestlers sale it for 24 dollars and move on to another.let the fans insert their own wrestlers in that fed.comback two years later and in sert 12 new wrestlers never seen before then move on.retire wrestlers with injurys to keep the wrestling moving with fresh blood.have more women or an womens fed(most likly it wont sale)or an small peoples set?i dont know about you but those two are a part of wrestling in my eyes.growing up we had the giant satalite dish and watched wrestling from around the world.american,canada,mexico,japan,brazil,england and much more. this is not a thrashing or flaming its just some ideals that may be worth looking in to.i say why lose buisness i say KEEP ALL the loyal fans and gaine some more.not lose some and gaine alot.quallity over quantaty. but what do i know im no buisness man.im going to buy Toms stuff any how.i love this game to damn much not to stop playing ,im going to keep buying this product in every aspects untill it turns into a vedio game. ;D |
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Post by Talison on Feb 23, 2007 13:36:22 GMT -5
I like this idea, Pride. I would think PDF publishing would be very cheap.
I can see where some people would be uninterested in Online and interested in aCe and be unhappy about this current state of affairs. I would feel that way if I played aCe and I'm actually happy I don't after finding out it would be online exclusive. If they feel that way, why loose them as customers?
They may not answer you half the time, but sometimes that's better. I feel like most of the answers I have gotten over Online (when I was still getting answers) ammounted to "Everyone else likes it, what's wrong with you?"
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Post by krisosk on Feb 23, 2007 18:58:08 GMT -5
Well, we're trying our best to answer questions posed, and, to take into consideration any concerns loyal promoters might have.
The issue of printing cards was suggested a while back, looked into on this end, and will become part of the final product.
Any other realistic suggestions (such as the ones in this thread) will continue to be looked into. Tom is the man behind the business, and after all is said and done, it's his company, and his decision.
Sorry you feel put off, Talison. Not sure what else I can do for you.
We on the Online staff are trying our best to be as available and communcative as possible on the Boards, but the reality remains that in business, unfortunately, not every single consumer need can be met.
It's a work in progress, and our primary goals are to have the program ready for launch time. From then on, anything not implemented by launch time can certainly be worked in at a later date.
COTG has been around for a long time, and it's grown finer with age. Just look at things like Promoter Madness. I think the addition of COTGonline with just be another thing that strengthens the company.
~ :-Xsk
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Post by Talison on Feb 23, 2007 19:58:18 GMT -5
Sorry you feel put off, Talison. Not sure what else I can do for you. Well, to be honest and since you asked, you put me off with the answers you did give me. For example when I asked why I would pay for the simulator over just useing COTG Desktop for free (which I still don't see why anyone would, sorry) part of your answer was... "Two player Champions of the Galaxy? The devil himself would sign up for that. " This is very condesending, in my opinion. Your basically saying, "everyone wants this, why don't you?" or at least that's how I read it (I don't see another interpretation). The rest of your responce carried the same tone, in my opinion. Suggesting I should love features I don't in a general way that frankly indicates to me I may be the first to express uninterest with such features. I can handle being uninterested in a product that one of my favorite companies is putting out. I can't handle being talked down to by someone who claims to be an official representative of that company, a company I have long loved and supported. It turns me off from the whole product. |
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Post by krisosk on Feb 23, 2007 20:21:56 GMT -5
Well, your opinion on the subject of COTGonline has certainly been expressed quite clearly as it appears several times in several different threads. And, although it's not supportive, we've got to take the good with the bad and continue to try to mold the Online product into something that best suits the majority.
The devil comment was a poor attempt at a joke. You mentioned playing "devil's advocate" when first posting. I attempted a witty "sell." Evidently that offended you greatly, and for that, I apologize.
In regards to any stances you might have against me personally, it might be better for everyone that they be addressed through PM.
~ :-Xsk
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Post by Pride on Feb 23, 2007 20:56:48 GMT -5
come on guys lets not make this personal. if any Mod have the ablity to delete my post plz do so.
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Post by Talison on Feb 23, 2007 20:59:52 GMT -5
I'm man enough to accept your apology. I don't have a problem with you personally, I don't even remember seeing you post before last month. Not that you didn't, just saying that I don't know you so I couldn't have a problem with you personally. I stated my problem with what you said, you apologized, I accepted. Quite frankly it wouldn't have bothered me from another fan, but you represent Filsinger Games.
As far as my opinion not being supportive, I disagree. I support Filsinger Games. I enjoy thier products. I want to see thier continued success so that I can continue to enjoy those products.
As a fan and consumer, I consider it my duty to offer my opinion on product. I don't follow blindly. I give praise where it's due. If something doesn't appeal to me or I see problems with a proposal, I point that out as well.
I'm not anti-Online. I'm not against the idea. I just personally see more problems than perks and I hope that by pointing them out I may also be speaking for someone who agrees with me and we'll see those problems adressed. This is something that I have waited for for a long time. No one is more upset over the fact that I don't think I'll be buying it as currently proposed than me. As a consumer, if I can create change for the better than I feel I have to do so. I'm hopeing my opnions are being taken seriously and not just ignored as hateing.
I only want to see Filsinger Games put out the best product possible.
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