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Post by mft on Feb 24, 2007 13:47:02 GMT -5
Speaking strictly business, it boils down to this: Paper editions of the LOW are the most profitable product for Filsinger Games, followed by the GWF. To be honest, I'm surprised about this. I would have figured it would be second behind the GWF. And if I had a fix, I would take it anyway I could get it. If you're a fan of the CPC or aCe, be happy that you're still getting editions! I'm more of a Legends fan, and as long as I had the opportunity to print them off, I'd be satisfied |
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Post by gatekeeper on Feb 24, 2007 14:08:26 GMT -5
Okay here is my suggestion: Whatever the cost is for Online we will now call it the cost for the aCe 2121 PDF files, and you get to try out COTGOnline for free!! That way you're not paying for Online you're paying for rhe PDF's and no one has to complain. Huh? I thought Tom was in charge of determining costs of his game. |
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Post by lordrahl on Feb 24, 2007 14:22:16 GMT -5
Okay here is my suggestion: Whatever the cost is for Online we will now call it the cost for the aCe 2121 PDF files, and you get to try out COTGOnline for free!! That way you're not paying for Online you're paying for rhe PDF's and no one has to complain. Huh? I thought Tom was in charge of determining costs of his game. I think you missed the point of my post Payback. Rahl |
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Post by Hegemony on Feb 24, 2007 15:05:50 GMT -5
Huh? I thought Tom was in charge of determining costs of his game. I think you missed the point of my post Payback. Rahl Get used to it. ;D |
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Post by krisosk on Feb 24, 2007 15:40:06 GMT -5
Okay here is my suggestion: Whatever the cost is for Online we will now call it the cost for the aCe 2121 PDF files, and you get to try out COTGOnline for free!! That way you're not paying for Online you're paying for rhe PDF's and no one has to complain. Rahl Reread it guys, it was a joke...and a pretty good one too. ;D ~ :-Xsk |
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Post by Pete Beck on Feb 24, 2007 16:38:27 GMT -5
Okay here is my suggestion: Whatever the cost is for Online we will now call it the cost for the aCe 2121 PDF files, and you get to try out COTGOnline for free!! That way you're not paying for Online you're paying for rhe PDF's and no one has to complain. Rahl Reread it guys, it was a joke...and a pretty good one too. ;D ~ :-Xsk Has an almost Bill Gates-esque ring to it...Actually more of an early anti-virus marketing ring. We'll give you the program to check for viruses for free, but to update the part that looks for the viruses (which you needed to make sure you catch the latest viruses), you have to pay for that! |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Feb 24, 2007 19:25:17 GMT -5
I've been gone all day but just wanted to go back to something completely unrelated to COTG from an earlier post. And you can also do things at McDonalds like order fries without salt, order a Quarter Pounder made like a Big Mac, and my personal favorite when I was working there, the hamburger with full condements but no bun. Two possibilities: 1) low carb dieter, or 2) someone with celiac disease, like my mother, who can't digest wheat gluten without making her violently ill. She gets fast food sandwiches this way all the time. Eats 'em with a knife and fork. Anyway, carry on. |
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Post by Eliath on Feb 24, 2007 20:00:24 GMT -5
I think what Hegemony & Talison are trying to say is this:
They want to know if it is possible for the aCe and CPC sets to be released as PDF files SEPERATELY from CotG Online so they can purchase them for the normal set fees without having to purchase anything CotG Online related.
They are wondering at the possibility if even AFTER CotG releases that said sets will release as PDF files so they can purchase only those.
At least, that is how I understand it.
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Post by blueraider2 on Feb 24, 2007 20:03:04 GMT -5
This match meant nothing since no stips were agreed upon. But let's raise the stakes a bit. At Galacticon, me and my mystery partner face you and Payback in a Titan Death Tag Match, and if I win, you guys have to agree with me for two straight weeks on these boards no matter my argument. If we lose, which we won't, I will talk about how great Umaga is for two straight weeks on these boards. i would love to be the guest ref.  if mr.jimmy face cant be there. |
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Post by Pride on Feb 24, 2007 21:32:12 GMT -5
A better analogy than fast food might be going into Toys R Us and saying you want to buy the board of Monopoly and not the rest of the game. The people would say it comes as a package so buy the whole game, or don't. Jeez.  well actually on the booklets to all games like monopoply there is an toll free number to order all and any parts only form the the company. ive did it with clue and clue fx i had an buddy that JUST wanted the little people.i forgot how muched it cost but he got the little people. |
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Post by Pride on Feb 24, 2007 21:50:27 GMT -5
This whole thing reminds me of my day to day battles with a lot of my clients: Me: Your closing costs are this... Them: That's too much... Me: Well that's what they are... Them: Well then I'm doing the loan... Me: Ok that's fine... Them: That's really what they are? Me: Yes... Them: Ok. Let's do this. And Hegemony and Talison will both buy COTG Online in the end I'm sure just like all my clients do their loans, If you want it and/or need it you'll pay for it. Such is life. It is what it is. now thats strong and a good point. no i dont want to buy cotg online but when it boils down to it and they dont do the pdf,heck yeah i will buy cotg online will i play on line ?no.i'll print up the booklets and the cards.log out of cotg oline cut my cards out and play in the comforts of my home.will i like it no.but if im left with no choice.....thats what i'll do.no civil rights need to be involed because WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLES LIVES AND WELL BEING we are talking about an game. but i would really really love an pdf option.and pdfs im talking about comes in an file Payback  |
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Post by Tournament Master on Feb 24, 2007 23:17:45 GMT -5
Wow, this got out of control in a hurry. Not that I am surprised. First of all I would like to thank Pride, Hegemony and Talison for expressing their thoughts on COTG Online and the future of CPC and aCe. You are some of the core customers for Filsinger Games, and your feedback is greatly appreciated. The one thing I want to bring up, is that while FG is a business, it is not the primary job of Tom, Kris or myself. I'm sure if we all just wanted to make money, there are other things we can do with our time that would be more profitable. But we all love this game and want to do what we can to make sure it is able to survive in a new business environment. The fact is that online gaming has taken over as the predominant form of gaming today, while the card and dice market while filled with dedicated players is dwindling. Kris and I have come on board to help Tom grow the game and make it a more profitable business, so that the great stories that Tom, Kris and Mark write can continue to be told, and more Legends can come aboard the LOW. This is a big year of change for FG, and I'd be lying if I said we have it all figured out. Any company that has a big organization change goes through some growing pains, and so are we, but with the hope that these changes will result in an improved business in the coming years that is able to serve all of its customers in the best way with a great product. Things like being able to print out PDFs for online exclusives without being an online customer, could happen in the future. I'm sure some factors will have to be weighed out before coming to a definite decision on that. There are alot more issues like this that I'm sure many of us will bring up over time, that will have to be figured out. Its a part of releasing a brand new product line. I personally feel that none of the desires stated are wrong. Whether they will eventually be fulfilled though, none of us can say with any certainty right now. But I do appreciate the feedback, as I'm sure Kris does as well. Enough of my babbling... |
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Post by Talison on Feb 24, 2007 23:31:25 GMT -5
Well, I'm in favor of the PDF idea because I think it's a good idea for the product. But I don't play aCe or CPC and have no plans to. I can see why someone would be put off by the idea of it being online exclusive. I would be if I played it. In the end it's not a deciding factor in me getting Online. It's a non-issue to me personally. I'm just trying to speak for a point of view I've seen expressed.
In the end I WON'T buy Online because:
1. I primarily play Legends, which won't be included
2. I don't like that it's online rather than a download or CD-Rom, for reasons I've already expressed
3. My understanding is it's basically COTG Desktop, which I have, and non of the additional features mentioned interest me as a player (to play GWF with, which I rarely play anyway), so I don't see why I should pay for something I essentially already have
4. I don't like that I would have to buy GWF cards I already own again for the online format
I WILL buy Online:
1. If the demo completely wows me
2. If additional features are added that do interest me
And, all this aside, I've stated that I am very interested in the stat tracker and price pending i will be buying it. It's just the simulator that doesn't float my boat.
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Post by Tournament Master on Feb 24, 2007 23:50:29 GMT -5
Speaking as a game fan and not a part of the business side of FG (which I'm sure Kris can also attest to, is an odd transition over the past couple months), the one part of the Simulator that really interests me is the two player option. The possibilities that this opens up down the line are amazing. To me thats the STRONGEST part of the whole Online project.
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Post by Hegemony on Feb 25, 2007 1:58:49 GMT -5
Wow, this got out of control in a hurry. Not that I am surprised. First of all I would like to thank Pride, Hegemony and Talison for expressing their thoughts on COTG Online and the future of CPC and aCe. You are some of the core customers for Filsinger Games, and your feedback is greatly appreciated. The one thing I want to bring up, is that while FG is a business, it is not the primary job of Tom, Kris or myself. I'm sure if we all just wanted to make money, there are other things we can do with our time that would be more profitable. But we all love this game and want to do what we can to make sure it is able to survive in a new business environment. The fact is that online gaming has taken over as the predominant form of gaming today, while the card and dice market while filled with dedicated players is dwindling. Kris and I have come on board to help Tom grow the game and make it a more profitable business, so that the great stories that Tom, Kris and Mark write can continue to be told, and more Legends can come aboard the LOW. This is a big year of change for FG, and I'd be lying if I said we have it all figured out. Any company that has a big organization change goes through some growing pains, and so are we, but with the hope that these changes will result in an improved business in the coming years that is able to serve all of its customers in the best way with a great product. Things like being able to print out PDFs for online exclusives without being an online customer, could happen in the future. I'm sure some factors will have to be weighed out before coming to a definite decision on that. There are alot more issues like this that I'm sure many of us will bring up over time, that will have to be figured out. Its a part of releasing a brand new product line. I personally feel that none of the desires stated are wrong. Whether they will eventually be fulfilled though, none of us can say with any certainty right now. But I do appreciate the feedback, as I'm sure Kris does as well. Enough of my babbling... Thanks Tournament Master for the thoughtful and informative post. We certainly appreciate all of the work involved in undertaking this new phase in COTG. I certainly plan on being a customer over the long haul, and I appreciate your receptiveness to alternative ideas and criticism. It is great to hear that the gang at Fed HQ are open to listening to the customer base. And to Payback and Swarm, please let me know how you like crow, and I will be sure to make it as palatable as possible for you both. |
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Post by Talison on Feb 25, 2007 2:30:30 GMT -5
See, to me two player is a non-issue. I can see why others would like it, but it doesn't interest me. I don't even know if I can say why it doesn't, it just doesn't.
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Post by Mr. Jimmyface on Feb 25, 2007 7:28:39 GMT -5
Well said, Tournament Master! Thanks - our passions for the game do tend to run strong!
So, to help get everyone on the right path to having fun again, here is the greatest moment in fast food history...
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Post by swarm on Feb 25, 2007 11:05:57 GMT -5
I just want to go on record and say Shane (Hegemony) Payback and I are all friends. We met and hung out at GCON and have been working together for months on PROMOTER MADNESS as Shane's character HEGEMONY will debut as part of the set.
So I know it may seem like "things got out of control" but they didn't and it's cool. We talk here and we talk in PM's and it's alwys cool regardless of how it may come off to outsiders looking in.
Peace.
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Post by Hegemony on Feb 25, 2007 12:28:22 GMT -5
I just want to go on record and say Shane (Hegemony) Payback and I are all friends. We met and hung out at GCON and have been working together for months on PROMOTER MADNESS as Shane's character HEGEMONY will debut as part of the set. So I know it may seem like "things got out of control" but they didn't and it's cool. We talk here and we talk in PM's and it's alwys cool regardless of how it may come off to outsiders looking in. Peace. Quoted for Truth. These guys are great and no matter how intense it may seem on the boards I can say without any doubt on my part that I love debating and discussing things with these guys, as well as every one else on the board. No worries at all, and I hope the intense debate didn't turn any one off from also contributing to the various topics. And have no fear, I am sure other intense differences of opinion will pop up again in the near future between us, and we will continue to remain friends through those as well. |
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Post by offspring515 on Feb 25, 2007 13:06:43 GMT -5
You two realize your'e KILLING the heat for your tag match at Galacticon right? Sigh  |
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if mr.jimmy face cant be there.
