KNOW YOUR ROLE

[Mark 138]

Well, this topic has been hanging around for half a year now, so I finally decided to look. I honestly thought the topic was referring to the old PS2 video game "Know Your Role", so I didn't bother reading. It's not the best choice of names for a game anyway, similarity to the video game notwithstanding. But that's not the thrust of this reply.

At any rate, I first read about the game coming out in a quick blurb in one of the gaming magazine I was thumbing through in a bookstore some time ago. I was intrigued, but put it out of my head since I didn't hear or read anything else about it. In fact, this is the only other place I've seen it mentioned since then. I went to the Comic Images web site and the game is no longer mentioned there. EDIT: I did find the promo web site through a direct link, although it is not linked to Comic Images main site any longer.END EDIT. It doesn't seem like they're getting behind it, or maybe they're just really horrible at promoting new product. After a "google search" I did find it listed for pre-order at several online shops with a release listed as April and a retail of $39.99.

Coincidently, every message posting forum I ran across with a mention of the game seemed to have the same dissenting opinions form a RAW Deal CCG player who trahed the game as unoriginal, overpriced, second-rate, ect. It makes me wonder if there is a percepion from Raw Deal players that Comic Images may want to go a differnt direction with the WWe game lisence. Perhaps they feel threatened that Raw Deal may be on the endangered list with a new game out. Perhaps it is a personal problem with someone involved in the game or a personal desire to see it fail. Could it be that someone involved in the Raw Deal game it's self is trying to do a little inside sabatoge to the new game?

Either way, I'll give it a look, but I can't see myself spending $40 for a game like this at this point. I've seen WWF/WWe games come and go and only one wrestling game has held my interest for almost 20 years now(and the Know Your Role people are clearly aware of this enough to come here to promote their game). I don't see this one as being much different in the long run.

[The Doctor]

I guess in a lot of ways I have to agree with StormRider, but I still have a lot of hope for this game. I'm looking forward a little more to Wrestelmania on X-box at the end of this month. But it will be really interesting in April what people have to say about the RPG.

[Tone Cold]

Did some digging around and I think I know who that Raw Deal player might be, if it's true that he played in a demo at Gen Con Indy as he claimed. From the demo guy's report, he didn't want anything to do with any roleplaying (opening segment, promos, etc.) but just wanna to roll dice. Nothing wrong with rolling dice, but he's missing a big part of the game.

We hope KYR will appeal to all wrestling fans, but we also realize gamers will have their own favorites. We're not trying to convince you to make KYR your favorite wrestling game (tho that would be nice , just that you give it a try thru free demo and whatnot. If it end up being a game you'll play but still not enough to replace your favorite, we can live with that

Like Cynthia said, we believe in the game enough to want to talk about it, and let as many people, especially wrestling fans, know there's a new WWE game coming out. Not doing this out of greed, since we don't get one dime more whether it sells one or a million copies. Just our passion for the sport and the game.


Tony

[Mark 138]

Like I wrote Tone, and let me elaborate further, I really am intrigued by the game. I think it is smart, not greedy, to get the word out on forums like this. After all, this is the granddaddy of all wrestling games. And it seems a little like you're having to go out and shake the tree a little for this project you put a ton of work into, since Comic Images apparently isn't. Hat off to you (if I was wearing one).

I saw the preview on the official web site and I really like what I see. I'm not a role player by default, but give me a genre I'm passionate about and I will give it a shot. An example is Heroclix. I would never be caught playing a miniature game of any kind until they made one for the Marvel superheros. The subject matter sells me.

However, as I also mentioned, the $40 price tag is a little steep to me. I priced some other rpg books today and found many core books selling for less than this(although a few were of a similar or higher pricepoint). It will have to look really nice if I'm going to put that kind of investment. I like what I've seen of the system and the rules, but it'd better have that something extra for that price. I collect wrestling games of the non-video game kind, so I will buy it eventually anyway, no doubt.

[Tone Cold]

StormRider: Glad you liked the game, and thanks for the kind word. I fully understand your concern about the price. I'm lobbying to drop it another $10 to $29.99 myself, but CI's not really budging because the book's full color with color photos. I'm hoping they'll at least come around and knock it down a bit. (And yeah, CI's marketing effort does leave room for improvement.)


Tony

[CynthiaCM]

Tony and I discussed CI's laid-back marketing techniques at great length.

Overall, I don't feel that they're doing it on purpose. They seem to be hard-working, honest folks, but their experience lies in other areas, namely card-based products -- two entirely different beasts. I simply feel that they don't know how to market an RPG as well as they do other products.

As for the price tag, I'm with you. I'd like to see $5 or $10 knocked off, but we, as designers, don't really have any input with decisions like that. Even still, I don't think anyone is going to feel ripped off. The game (I feel) is rock solid and it's among the nicest looking game books I've ever seen. It's positively gorgeous!

[THE VISITOR]

Could someone please tell me how to actually get to the free demo of Know Your Role. Maybe I'm daft, but, I can't find it anywhere!

[Tone Cold]

Sure thing! Go to www.comicimages.com/KYR/ or sign up to [e-mail] and download it from the Files section.


Tony

[Allen]

Storm said:

Either way, I'll give it a look, but I can't see myself spending $40 for a game like this at this point. I've seen WWF/WWe games come and go and only one wrestling game has held my interest for almost 20 years now(and the Know Your Role people are clearly aware of this enough to come here to promote their game). I don't see this one as being much different in the long run.

I might add here that the "Know Your Role" people didn't start this thread..I did I'm just a lowly person who managed to get a chance to playtest the game.

Champions of the Galaxy is a great game,as is Legends of Wrestling. Know Your Role is kind of a different sort of game, being a true RPG whereas COTG is more of a card game (although lots of people really get in to the characters and such- but then, I know people who do that with Advanced Third Reich and that is NOT an RPG <g>).

I am hoping that the game is successful, and I have tried to demo it around my area and drum up sales for it. I guess we'll see. I know I have been having fun with it.

Allen