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Post by CynthiaCM on Sept 5, 2004 15:12:16 GMT -5
Ok, now I am REALLY stoked for this! I had the pleasure of playing in a short-lived online game of Kayfabe with Cindi and I can tell you who may not know, she knows wrestling! That alone makes this game go from "I want to get this" to "I MUST HAVE THIS!!" for me! I am eagarly awaiting the demo booklet! Allen Awwww shucks. **blushes**. Thank you for the kind words, Allen. |
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Post by Tone Cold on Sept 6, 2004 11:41:16 GMT -5
Ok, now I am REALLY stoked for this! I had the pleasure of playing in a short-lived online game of Kayfabe with Cindi and I can tell you who may not know, she knows wrestling! That alone makes this game go from "I want to get this" to "I MUST HAVE THIS!!" for me! I am eagarly awaiting the demo booklet! Allen Oh yeah, Cynthia knows her stuff! I believe the demo booklet can now be found at theforums.macharbor.com/viewforum.php?f=34. Some rules have been changed and updated since, but what's there should give you a basic idea of how the game works. Tony |
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Post by Allensh on Sept 6, 2004 15:43:28 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Cynthia knows her stuff! I believe the demo booklet can now be found at theforums.macharbor.com/viewforum.php?f=34. Some rules have been changed and updated since, but what's there should give you a basic idea of how the game works. Tony Thanks, Tony! By the way, are you the Tony Lee that designed Extreme Vengeance? That was a sweet little game  sadly all I have is the main book but I did run it once and enjoyed it. After reading the demo, I am sold big time. I only wish there were stats for Randy Orton and Triple H in it so I could stage that match The system as presented looks very smooth and fast-paced. I like the way the initiative system works. And the "make your own maneuvers" section is absolutely wonderful! it kinds of reminds me of D20 Modern a bit, but also has elements of the base d20 system in it, and of course some original ideas too. And I might add, while it is a WWE game...I can already see how one could combine it with elements from D20 Future and run a GWF based game! I don't know if I can wait until December now! Allen |
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Post by CynthiaCM on Sept 6, 2004 16:16:58 GMT -5
I'm glad you're grooving on the demo material, Allen. We've worked hard to make KYR as unique entry into the "wrestling game" market. I can confirm this. It shouldn't take much work at all. Really, all you'd need is a selection of feats that represented some of the GWF's more unusual abilities and such. To tell you the truth, me either. |
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Post by Tone Cold on Sept 7, 2004 11:18:49 GMT -5
Thanks, Allen! Yes, Extreme Vengeance is me, guilty as charged  It was my first real professional effort, and it's always cool to hear from the fans and players who dig it... By the way, EV is one of Tracy "Dragonlance" Hickman's most favorite games, and a revised edition is in the work, slated for release thru Phillip Reed's publishing op! As for the demo booklet, I think everybody did his/her usual great job on putting it together. From Cynthia's introduction (which I just love!) and Eddy Webb's quotes for the wrestlers to the rush job Adam Jury had to do laying it out as an emergency replacement, it's a great piece of work. WWE KYR's system is more similiar to d20 Modern than to D&D, using such ideas from d20 Modern as talent trees and "starting occupation" (training background in KYR), so I can see combining d20 Future to run a GWF campaign... a very interesting prospect, indeed! Tony |
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Post by WWE Raw Deal Fan on Sept 13, 2004 17:04:01 GMT -5
Don't worry about getting the promo because once you see the game, you won't want to waste your time.
My friends and I thought it was incredibly stupid and I can't believe Comic Images is going to try to get us Raw Deal players to buy this piece of garbage.
My advice: avoid at all costs.
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Post by CynthiaCM on Sept 13, 2004 17:23:07 GMT -5
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, though it would help us out a lot more if you actually told us why you thought it was "incredibly stupid". You gave no reason whatsoever as to why you didn't like it, which isn't at all helpful. After all, we can't improve things without constructive criticism.
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Post by Allensh on Sept 14, 2004 18:41:11 GMT -5
Don't worry about getting the promo because once you see the game, you won't want to waste your time. My friends and I thought it was incredibly stupid and I can't believe Comic Images is going to try to get us Raw Deal players to buy this piece of garbage. My advice: avoid at all costs. I'll avoid the obvious and say this...I completely disagree with you. And I also wonder exactly how you know this, since the game isn't even out yet. Allen |
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Post by WWE Raw Deal Fan on Sept 14, 2004 19:26:17 GMT -5
From what myself and my friends saw at Gen Con, we thought it was, as I said, incredibly stupid for the following reasons:
1) It doesn't feel like wrestling, at least from the little we saw.
2) There seems to be a definite problem with balance, this might be fixed with the final published version.
3) It seems like other games and lacks a degree of originality.
I have an incredible track record with these things and have a nose for picking out the winners and losings in CCG's and RPG's. My nose is telling me that this game is a dog and will be DOA.
That's my opinion, constructive or otherwise. Whether or not my opinion helps the game is irrelevant to me as I doubt I will buy it, and even if I did, I doubt further that it would matter as CI will have a hard time making a hit out of anything less than spectacular (Raw Deal only succeeded due to its superiority over just about every game on the market, despite being made by a company like Comic Images) and in a world full of mediocre products, this will be yet another one on the shelf.
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Post by WWE Raw Deal Fan on Sept 14, 2004 20:00:06 GMT -5
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Post by William S Hillard on Sept 14, 2004 21:05:26 GMT -5
Yeah, hi. Thanks for plugging my website.
The demo I compiled is from the sources I had available to me at MacHarbor, and it's still in its early stages there.
The game is being playtested now. And I have to say that I couldn't disagree with you more. This game is probably the closest thing to simulating WWE than anything else I've seen. Modeling characters after your favorite wrestlers is fast and easy, and the resolution is spot on.
The thing of the game is that it has a narrativist bent, which is a good thing, IMO. The game mechanics are simply the engine you use to resolve actions. It's in the player's descriptions of the actions as they are played out that makes this game really shine.
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Post by WWE Raw Deal Fan on Sept 15, 2004 10:18:35 GMT -5
For something to be WWE worthy, I'd like it to give me something that I don't get from the phenomenal Raw Deal or the terrific line of video games that come out every few months.
This game provides nothing I can't get from either of those two sources. What is worse, what it does provide that is in any way similar seems to be superior in those locations.
So, we have a game that isn't very much like WWE. Let's look at it as a game, apart from what it is based on. Is it good? Not really. Is it fun? Not at all, from what I've seen. Is it balanced? Not even close, when you compare the wrestlers involved and their stats.
You guys at Comic Images do a great job with Raw Deal, I don't know why you couldn't do the same with this game.
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Post by William S Hillard on Sept 15, 2004 12:32:08 GMT -5
Ok, fair enough. If you don't like the game, that's your perogative.
However, a lot of changes are being made to it as we speak, and the demo isn't really representative of the finished product.
Maybe it would be better to wait until the game is actually finished and at the FLGS before jumping on the "This game sucks!" bandwagon.
Especially if you can't really explain why the game sucks. ;D
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Post by Allensh on Sept 15, 2004 19:23:13 GMT -5
Ok, fair enough. If you don't like the game, that's your perogative. However, a lot of changes are being made to it as we speak, and the demo isn't really representative of the finished product. Maybe it would be better to wait until the game is actually finished and at the FLGS before jumping on the "This game sucks!" bandwagon. Especially if you can't really explain why the game sucks. ;D Ah but that would require not being a troll, you see... Allen |
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Post by Tone Cold on Sept 15, 2004 20:22:08 GMT -5
WWERawDealFan, have you tried playing it instead of basing your opinions on it "seems"? Sometimes a game "seems" one way but actually plays some other way. I myself was surprised that some of the things I thought would be worrisome didn't turn up in actual play, while some other things I thought were perfect weren't... BTW, I can tell you some stories about Raw Deal CCG. I was at ground zero back when there were two competing designs (even before Barron came along), and I'll take full credit for Triple H's ability to "hold 10 cards, because he is The Game!" Tony |
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Post by wsh on Sept 15, 2004 22:04:39 GMT -5
Ah but that would require not being a troll, you see... Allen Well, I just registered. I didn't want to say something that would get me banned. |
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Post by WWE Raw Deal Fan on Sept 18, 2004 7:48:00 GMT -5
Triple H actually doesn't have an ability, but thanks for playing along.
In regards to Know Your Role, yes, I played at GenCon, and while demos and promo booklets aren't going to be definitive, they show you where a product is going.
I don't like where Comic Images is going on this at all. I like what they do with Raw Deal, but this has me questioning even that, because if they can butcher the WWE in this fashion in one game, is Raw Deal far behind?
Hopefully not. Even so, others are welcome to enjoy the game as much as they want. In my opinion, it's not a good game and I wanted to tell people that before this thread turned into a BS PR campaign by those apparently involved, so their motivations are questionable as they are depending on this game doing well for a paycheck.
Those of us seeing it from the outside at GenCon have other opinions. While some thought it looked cool at GC, most didn't.
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Post by Allensh on Sept 18, 2004 10:33:29 GMT -5
Triple H actually doesn't have an ability, but thanks for playing along. In regards to Know Your Role, yes, I played at GenCon, and while demos and promo booklets aren't going to be definitive, they show you where a product is going. I don't like where Comic Images is going on this at all. I like what they do with Raw Deal, but this has me questioning even that, because if they can butcher the WWE in this fashion in one game, is Raw Deal far behind? Hopefully not. Even so, others are welcome to enjoy the game as much as they want. In my opinion, it's not a good game and I wanted to tell people that before this thread turned into a BS PR campaign by those apparently involved, so their motivations are questionable as they are depending on this game doing well for a paycheck. Those of us seeing it from the outside at GenCon have other opinions. While some thought it looked cool at GC, most didn't. Did you talk to MOST of the people who played the game at Gen Con? How do you know they didn't think it looked cool? The fact of the matter is you DON'T know. You have no idea what the majority of the people at Gen Con who played the game thought. There is no need to insult people, unless of course your main purpose is to cause trouble, which is the definition of the Internet term "troll". I know that the game is better than the demo version. And I know a lot of people who LIKE it quite a bit. I am not stupid enough to conclude from this that MOST people like it. Intellectual honesty is a good thing; you should try it. Allen |
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Post by Allensh on Sept 18, 2004 10:38:44 GMT -5
For something to be WWE worthy, I'd like it to give me something that I don't get from the phenomenal Raw Deal or the terrific line of video games that come out every few months. In order to be "WWE worthy", then, the game needs to provide mindless violence, useless T&A and, of course, necrophilia... I think we can live without "WWE worthy"... Allen |
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Post by Just a Guy on Sept 18, 2004 12:14:49 GMT -5
Hopefully not. Even so, others are welcome to enjoy the game as much as they want. In my opinion, it's not a good game and I wanted to tell people that before this thread turned into a BS PR campaign by those apparently involved, so their motivations are questionable as they are depending on this game doing well for a paycheck. Their motivations don't seem to be nearly as questionable as yours. Why the insults and cheap shots? Did Comic Images beat you up when you were a little kid or something? It "seems" like you have a lot of anger towards something that is after all...a game. Ease off man, I think most people get the point that you don't like it. The problem is you don't provide any specifics. Why is it unbalanced? Why do have such animosity towards comic images? Why...bah...never mind. Ugh. |
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sadly all I have is the main book but I did run it once and enjoyed it.
It was my first real professional effort, and it's always cool to hear from the fans and players who dig it... By the way, EV is one of Tracy "Dragonlance" Hickman's most favorite games, and a revised edition is in the work, slated for release thru Phillip Reed's publishing op!