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Post by PureHatred on Apr 27, 2006 10:44:09 GMT -5
I remember when the XFL launched and there were intelligent and well known people predicting that it would overtake the NFL within a few years.. I like the rest of your post, but this is completely off base. There's not a single credible sports writer who said that the XFL would be anything else than a sideshow - at best. Some peopole thought it might find a niche, sort of like Arena football. But NOBODY thought it would replace the NFL. Nobody. |
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Post by tenzan on Apr 27, 2006 17:42:21 GMT -5
Who said anything about credible sports writers, sir? I sure didn't. I said that there were intelligent and well known people who made that prediction. And yes -- there were in fact many people saying that the XFL would overtake the NFL. I agree that it was foolish -- especially in hindsight -- but there were sports and football fans as well as radio personalities and sports columnists here and there that thought it would happen. I was merely comparing that prediction to those being made that a returning ECW will overtake TNA and run it out of business. People tend to easily forget that everything Vince McMahon has ever done outside of WWF/E has been a complete failure.
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Post by swarm on Apr 27, 2006 17:59:31 GMT -5
People tend to easily forget that everything Vince McMahon has ever done outside of WWF/E has been a complete failure. people also tend to easily forget that everything TNA has done since day one has been a complete failure. people also tend to forget VKM could squash TNA and turn it into a parking lot the instant he decides too. |
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 27, 2006 18:08:40 GMT -5
Who said anything about credible sports writers, sir? I sure didn't. I said that there were intelligent and well known people who made that prediction. And yes -- there were in fact many people saying that the XFL would overtake the NFL. I agree that it was foolish -- especially in hindsight -- but there were sports and football fans as well as radio personalities and sports columnists here and there that thought it would happen. I was merely comparing that prediction to those being made that a returning ECW will overtake TNA and run it out of business. People tend to easily forget that everything Vince McMahon has ever done outside of WWF/E has been a complete failure. I understand your comparison. But I'm merely stating that its totally invalid because NOBODY thought the XFL would surpass the NFL. People who gave it a chance, even the people at NBC, said that at best it would find a spot as an alternative for football fans who missed watching the game during the summer. Like Arena Football . But I challenge you to find me where a single sports columnist or radio personality who came out and said the XFL would pass the NFL. because they would've been laghed out of their field of work. NOBODY worth mentioning would say that. And certainly not anyone 'inteligent and well known.' |
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 27, 2006 18:13:21 GMT -5
People tend to easily forget that everything Vince McMahon has ever done outside of WWF/E has been a complete failure. people also tend to easily forget that everything TNA has done since day one has been a complete failure. people also tend to forget VKM could squash TNA and turn it into a parking lot the instant he decides too. And to be fair, the way that XFL was covered - the angles, the mics on the sideline, that Game cam that followed the action from directly above - which by all account was all due to input from Vince, was completely incorporated by the NFL the following season. |
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Post by Knapik on Apr 27, 2006 17:20:58 GMT -5
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 27, 2006 17:29:17 GMT -5
Sarcasm. Read the whole thing. He's making fun of the league by saying Ray Lewis is just what the league needs because he was indicted in a murder case. Also made fun of how the team names end in Z. Tongue in cheek doesn't count. |
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Post by Knapik on Apr 27, 2006 17:30:36 GMT -5
Hey I'm on your team, dude!
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 27, 2006 17:32:04 GMT -5
OH..sorry..thought you were showing an example of someone saying it would succeed. My bust.
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Post by tenzan on Apr 27, 2006 17:35:24 GMT -5
Well I'm not going to go out and do research just to prove to you that there were people who thought the XFL would overtake the NFL. I'm not sure how you can say that NO ONE did unless you read every single column and listened to every single radio show in which it was brought up. If you ask me to quote names -- I can't. The only name I could quote you is Art Bell since I listened to his show regularly -- but he has nothing to do with sports. Other than that -- I don't remember the names of who wrote about the XFL or who talked about the XFL any more than I remember the names of the columnists in Pro Wrestling Illustrated. Given the sheer number of people that was talking about the XFL in its day -- I think it would be slightly ridiculous to say that no one thought it would overtake the NFL.
Anyway let's get back on topic -- there's no reason to make such a huge issue out of every single minor point that you might not agree with. We can agree to disagree and move on.
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Post by Knapik on Apr 27, 2006 17:35:26 GMT -5
Haha I did a search and that's the best I could come up with. Maybe I didn't do a comprehensive enough one, but the best I could find was "laugh all you want (and there's plenty to laugh at) but the NFL could take some things away from the XFL after it fails."
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Post by tenzan on Apr 27, 2006 17:43:37 GMT -5
It's pointless unless every single column written by every single sports writer or transcript of every sports radio talk show is indexed by the search engine you're using. There are people missing the point of what I said -- it had nothing to do with well known sports writers saying that the XFL was going to overtake the NFL. It had everything to do with what fans were saying -- and I'm sure everyone heard the wrestling fans back then making the prediction that the XFL would rock the NFL. Since we don't have any well known sports writers in our midst here (that I know of) -- my comparison was obviously made between those who were betting on XFL's success and those who are now betting on the "new" ECW running TNA out of business.
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Post by Knapik on Apr 27, 2006 17:45:46 GMT -5
I don't see how ECW would run TNA out of business. I guess I'm missing something? So TNA loses Sabu and maybe one or two others? TNA needs to do better business, yes, but WWE adding another brand - especially if it becomes another Heat or Velocity - doesn't do much to TNA at all IMO
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 27, 2006 17:49:24 GMT -5
Well I'm not going to go out and do research just to prove to you that there were people who thought the XFL would overtake the NFL. I'm not sure how you can say that NO ONE did unless you read every single column and listened to every single radio show in which it was brought up. If you ask me to quote names -- I can't. The only name I could quote you is Art Bell since I listened to his show regularly -- but he has nothing to do with sports. Other than that -- I don't remember the names of who wrote about the XFL or who talked about the XFL any more than I remember the names of the columnists in Pro Wrestling Illustrated. Given the sheer number of people that was talking about the XFL in its day -- I think it would be slightly ridiculous to say that no one thought it would overtake the NFL. Anyway let's get back on topic -- there's no reason to make such a huge issue out of every single minor point that you might not agree with. We can agree to disagree and move on. LOL. When the XFL came out I was stationed on board ship and about the only thing we did was listen to the national broadcast radio shows and read the articles on espn.com because it was one of the few sites that was authorized for viewing underway. If someone had come out and said that the XFL was going to surpass the NFL they would've ended up being nterviewed or at least mentioned somehwere on one of these programs, mainly to be laughed at. XFL was an oddity. Art Bell...ok the radio guy who talks about big foot and UFO..I get why he said the XFL would pass the NFL., But NOBODY else did. I'm not going to agree to disagree, mainly because I'm right. There is not a single credible person - be it columnist or radio host - that came out and said that the XFL would pass the NFL. It just didn't happen. |
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 27, 2006 17:55:11 GMT -5
It's pointless unless every single column written by every single sports writer or transcript of every sports radio talk show is indexed by the search engine you're using. There are people missing the point of what I said -- it had nothing to do with well known sports writers saying that the XFL was going to overtake the NFL. It had everything to do with what fans were saying -- and I'm sure everyone heard the wrestling fans back then making the prediction that the XFL would rock the NFL. Since we don't have any well known sports writers in our midst here (that I know of) -- my comparison was obviously made between those who were betting on XFL's success and those who are now betting on the "new" ECW running TNA out of business. Like I said, I got your point, but its an invalid comparison. If we were talking about just , 'wrestling fans' then yes, they are not exactly people who's opinions you can count on when it comes to sports. I got into heated arguments on more than one baord where fans said Brock Lesnar would be like the white Jevon Kearse. So OK, maybe people are jumping the gun to say ECW will hurt TNA. Maybe . My argument is that you came out and said the 'inteligent and well known' people predicted the XFL/NFL thing. you claimed that sports columnists and radio personalities said it. And yet, I'm 100% sure that didn't happen. Go on with your point about ECW and TNA.. But the XFL/NFL claim was off base. Totally off base. Like I said. |
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Post by tenzan on Apr 27, 2006 18:10:54 GMT -5
One thing from reading your posts I can completely believe -- that you've gotten into heated arguments on more than one board.
I can't really talk to you because you're telling me that there is absolutely no fathomable possibility that I heard a sports writer/host reveal that they thought the XFL would be bigger than the NFL. You're telling me that I did not hear what I heard, or calling me a liar. You're clinging to the position that not one sports writer/host on God's green earth thought this or said this and not one news paper or local sports show in existence ever had a column or guest with this opinion. If you really believe that -- great. But how can we converse when you claim to have known what I heard and did not hear -- read and did not read. I think I'll go back to avoiding the TNA section.
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Post by swarm on Apr 27, 2006 18:22:48 GMT -5
I think I'll go back to avoiding the TNA section. If you read it, or heard it, prove it...or at least try. But when someone makes a ridiculous statement like you have, you have to expect people to call you out on it... you should have already been prepared to back it up.. YOU claimed something YOU can't or won't back up to Purehatred and your move is to run away...? that is so weak. |
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 27, 2006 18:25:08 GMT -5
Like I said, if someone had said that it would've been spread on the wires and laughed at the same way that stories like Larry Bird having his own wine or that Andrei Kirilenko's wife lets him have an extramarital freebie once a year. I was in the Navy, in comunicatiosn, we had AP releases as part of our regular transmissions....I'm sure you heard what you heard, I'm just questioning the credibility of who said it.
When you say something like 'inteligent and well known' then I assume these people are at least someone whose name you'd remember. If my local TV guy came out and said that the Lingerie Bowl was going to be bigger than the Super bowl, I'd remember.
Im not trying to offend, I just don't as a habit take every single reference at face value.
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 27, 2006 18:27:00 GMT -5
I think I'll go back to avoiding the TNA section. If you read it, or heard it, prove it...or at least try. But when someone makes a ridiculous statement like you have, you have to expect people to call you out on it... you should have already been prepared to back it up.. YOU claimed something YOU can't or won't back up to Purehatred and your move is to run away...? that is so weak. Maybe he's just a big Art Bell fan. If I was taking my sports news from the guy who regularly has shows about the secret societies under the Earth's crust, I'd probably deny it, too. |
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Post by tenzan on Apr 27, 2006 18:45:32 GMT -5
Wow -- now I'm being insulted. This is great. Welcome to the TNA forum, Chang. We welcome your input as long as we agree with it. If not -- we'll twist your words around in a way that makes you sound like a crackhead. We'll put a magnifying glass to every minor point that you make and if we don't agree we'll pick it to pieces. I'll conclude by reiterating that you have missed my point and you've turned what I said into something I didn't say. This topic has gone from being about ECW to being about the XFL because you somehow have decided that I insinuated that a famous sportswriter claimed the XFL would overtake the NFL -- which they did not, to my knowledge. The statement was that I've heard intelligent and well known people who held that belief -- which does not necessarily constitute ESPN Sportscenter calibur. There are local sports radio shows which are hosted by persons you've probably never heard of -- with guests/analysts you might not necessarily recognize -- but are well known to their particular audience. There are also newspapers other than the New York Times with sports sections and columnists who I'm betting you've not read, but are never the less considered knowledgable in their field. To claim that not a single person on Earth ever made this bold prediction seems pretty outrageous. To ask me to prove it is the equivalent of asking me to go to my local library and search newspapers from 10 years ago to find someone who predicted that the Browns would go to the playoffs. I'm not going to do that -- so if that makes me a liar then so be it. Farewell.
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