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Post by offspring515 on Apr 25, 2006 11:44:52 GMT -5
Also, if the WWE tells the people in charge of OVW that they want something done, and it's not done, Vince can pull his talent out of there in a second. Goodbye OVW. Saying WWE has no influence is so far off base it's not even funny.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Apr 25, 2006 12:21:01 GMT -5
How is Humongous a worse gimmick than Duek "The Dumpster" Droese?
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 25, 2006 12:33:53 GMT -5
It's not..that was awful. Believe me, i know that the WWF/E has had some wrestched gimmicks. It just seems like that style of booking is still happening in Memphis and the rest of wrestling has moved on.
For the record I'm not a fan of the Boogey Man or Pirate Paul Birchill either.
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Post by Mad Dog on Apr 25, 2006 12:54:37 GMT -5
The Cornette situation is unclear to a degree. It seems he saw it as an out and wanted to get away from wrestling for awhile. There was an interview recently where he talked kind of indepth on the WWF/OVW relationship but I don't have the first clue who's podcast it was on.
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Post by bmurderh8s on Apr 25, 2006 14:44:03 GMT -5
ECW as a WWE brand is a sickening thought. I'm a huge ECW mark and the thought of ECW returning excites me and scares me at the same time.
If Hayman got total control booking and talent wise and McMahon gave total backing finanacially i'd say there is an awesome chance it would succeed. Don't forget how popular ECW was back in the day and still is among the smarks. ECW wasn't just full of spot fests and garbage wrestling. That fed also showcased some great wrestling matches and storylines that were far better then the poop the WWE and WCW was throwing at us.
That being said, I'd be worried about Mcmahon watering down the ECW product and thus turning it into something of a joke among loyal ECW fans.
I'm excited at the possibilities none the less. EC DUB! EC DUB! heh.
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Post by Vidtek on Apr 25, 2006 17:27:03 GMT -5
OK, ECW will not kill TNA. If TNA goes down it's becasue of poor management by TNA. WWE didn't kill WCW, WCW kiled itself, WWE just picked the carcas. The vulures should not start circleing just yet.
Worst gimick ever was GobbledyGooker (And I don't CARE if I spelled it wrong)...
Second was TL Hopper.
Big Time
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Post by swarm on Apr 25, 2006 17:29:07 GMT -5
OK, ECW will not kill TNA. If TNA goes down it's becasue of poor management by TNA. WWE didn't kill WCW, WCW kiled itself, WWE just picked the carcas. The vulures should not start circleing just yet. Worst gimick ever was GobbledyGooker (And I don't CARE if I spelled it wrong)... Second was TL Hopper. Big Time third...the six-sided ring...oh wait, that would be first... |
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Post by Vidtek on Apr 25, 2006 17:44:59 GMT -5
What IS so bad about a six sided ring? Classics 3000 says the GWF switches to a six sided ring in the future, and that was BEFORE TNA was even a dream in somone's mind. So maybe whoever thought it up in TNA read about it in 3000? And so what if it's difrent, UFC uses an eigt sided cage and no one seems to complain. So for real, what is the problem with a six sided ring?
Big Time
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 25, 2006 18:10:13 GMT -5
Just because it was in GWF doesn't make it a good idea. I know...sacrilege.
And actually, a lot of feds in Mexico use the six sided ring..Of course theirs is bigger and lends itself to the repetitive six-man tag matchhes and lucha style.
Also, how did this turn into a thread about bad gimmicks? Every company has had some craptacular gimmicks...saying the WWE has had lousy gimmicks doesn't really prove anything. The point I was trying to make is that the old school style doesn't really work at a national level. So just because the local OVW fans prefer that kind of booking, that doesn't necessarily mean ECW would fail as their 'replacement.'
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Apr 25, 2006 18:57:40 GMT -5
I hated the WWF's "big blue cage" WAY more than I hate the six sided ring.
I cried when the toy WCW wrestling ring was released with a cage and it was a big red one...=(
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Post by offspring515 on Apr 25, 2006 22:46:29 GMT -5
TAKING THIS WAY OFF TOPIC I got that WCW ring for my 10th birthday and I was so happy...until my dad opened the box and the ring was broken in two! We took it back to Toys R Us the next day and they were all out of them! I had the option of waiting a week for a new shipment, or buying something else. At ten a week seemed like a lifetime, so I bought something else. I can't even remember what now. I wish I had waited for that ring. It had a friggen cage, and a launching pad, and sweet ropes and...it was perfect. Sigh. Thanks for opening old wounds Tommy!  |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Apr 25, 2006 23:22:51 GMT -5
If it helps...
You really did miss out...=P It was one of the best wrestling rings ever, even if it DID have a big red cage.
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Post by floydthebarber on Apr 26, 2006 0:21:19 GMT -5
I'm a big Sabu fan...I think, in his own way, he is a legend, and his name alone draws interest. Is he the same as he was 10 years ago? No. 5 years ago? No. 2 years ago? No. But he still gives his all, and can 'give' something that no other wrestler can.
It really isn't a big loss for TNA, except that Sabu was the kind of guy you didn't have to book angles for, you could just toss him into a match (like v. Joe) and it would be 'interesting'. He is broken down, and will NEVER be a 'contender' again...but probably fits in better with ECW than TNA. TNA still has Raven...who is very similar...but they may lose him too if WWE are smart.
I'll reserve judgement until we see a few more guys go. But I'm sure TNA will handpick a 'core' group of guys they will try VERY hard not to lose, as well as the 'backup' plan guys like Lugar and Buff (not a good idea, but better than nothing...)
As for Swarm saying the TNA people would have been all excited if it was Sabu leaving WWE for TNA...your right, cause that would have meant Sabu had a higher profile in WWE, and his name would mean more if in TNA. That said...I can't think of a single role that Sabu could have fulfilled in WWE...he just doesnt' fit...so the argument isn't really a good one.
This isn't a case of sour grapes Swarm...losing Sabu at best 'kinda sucks' if your a fan of Sabu...and even then, chances are your not watching TNA just for him...just like how 90% of fans really didnt' care that Christian was leaving WWE...some did, but most don't miss him. Not a knock on Christian, hell Benoit or Shelton Benjamin or Snitsky or Chris Masters could leave WWE and 2 months later they'd be forgotten.
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Post by gatekeeper on Apr 26, 2006 1:25:37 GMT -5
Well, you could say that anyone would be "forgotten" if they're not on TV. Austin hasn't been on TV since SNME and Rock since....I don't remember....but how do you say they're forgotten?
Nobody clamors for these guys to return. You may see the very occasional sign, but that's about it.
And if Mick Foley can fit in WWE and RVD still fits, I don't see the argument of Sabu not fitting. He's not gonna have barbed wire cage matches in WWE but like you said, he's still a name that draws interest so Vince will figure out something for him to do.
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Post by Bazzy on Apr 26, 2006 2:12:19 GMT -5
TNA was always gonna be screwed , no matter what happened (even without no return of ECW) . WWE has more money and a wider audience (who wouldn't join in the end) .
Will ECW kill it off ? . I don't feel so . Wrestling fans always like an alternative . Like I said what heppens if ECW gets to big . Vince will not allow that ? . . It all depends how they show ECW . It needs some new blood in ECW surely , you can't keep using all (and just) the old ECW guys . Daniels / AJ \ Joe are the main 3 they need to keep hold of .
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Post by ringking on Apr 26, 2006 4:59:18 GMT -5
OK, ECW will not kill TNA. If TNA goes down it's becasue of poor management by TNA. WWE didn't kill WCW, WCW kiled itself, WWE just picked the carcas. The vulures should not start circleing just yet. Worst gimick ever was GobbledyGooker (And I don't CARE if I spelled it wrong)... Second was TL Hopper. Big Time Yeah gotta agree. If TNA dies it will be their fault. WCW got crazy about buying people for their namesakes alone near the end. Sadly I see TNA doing that way too much latly. Good thing out of it is that fans are noticing people. Smartest move they can go for is keep pushing the X-division. My hope is they relize they need to push the X belt like ECW did the TV belt. Make it almost more important than the World Title. The problem is they arn't giving the X-guys good storylines. I mean Shelly has a good one. But whatabout the rest of the X guys? I see nothing. I mean sure we got AJ,Joe,Shelly, and Daniels. Out of the X guys that it. All the rest are cheesy (even though they rule) or dont have much airtime for me to care. On ECW it is a wait and see for me. I hope it don't get ruined. But how could it be like it was? They are way more harsher on TV these days since the boob moment with Janet Jackson. So if ECW wants to survive it may have to run late at night. But that cost viewers. So as I said. It's a wait and see kinda thing to me. |
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Post by gwffantrav on Apr 26, 2006 10:01:46 GMT -5
I've always had hope for TNA and I think that move to Thursday is a good one...
but still, seeing names such as Lex Luger, Rick Steiner and Buff Bagwell....well, it doesn't sit to well with my stomach. Talk about some cancers in the locker room.
If anything, bringing in those kinds of guys and killing the push of their younger guys, I think that'll kill TNA worse than bringing back ECW
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Apr 26, 2006 12:49:26 GMT -5
Well, you could say that anyone would be "forgotten" if they're not on TV. Austin hasn't been on TV since SNME and Rock since....I don't remember....but how do you say they're forgotten? Nobody clamors for these guys to return. You may see the very occasional sign, but that's about it. And if Mick Foley can fit in WWE and RVD still fits, I don't see the argument of Sabu not fitting. He's not gonna have barbed wire cage matches in WWE but like you said, he's still a name that draws interest so Vince will figure out something for him to do. The differences there are that Foley can talk for 20 minutes and draw more viewers than half the roster... And RVD, while a spot machine himself, is still physically healthy enough to work a good spotfest without needing barbed wire, thumbtacks, tables, ladders, chairs, fire, etc.... Sabu...Hell, Sabu can barely run the ropes anymore. Watch some of his TNA stuff...he'll run across the ring, stop before he hits the ropes, turn and run back. |
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Post by Mad Dog on Apr 26, 2006 14:00:34 GMT -5
And let's be honest. Sabu was considered to be having a revival as a worker last year because he was only blowing half of his spots as opposed to almost every spot.
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Post by tenzan on Apr 27, 2006 3:47:40 GMT -5
Whoa -- looks like a war zone is about to erupt. Share your views but hold your fire -- no need to insult and degrade. That just shows your insecurity.
I remember when the XFL launched and there were intelligent and well known people predicting that it would overtake the NFL within a few years. On paper it sounded great but once it launched it was absolutely terrible. I don't see that as being much different than this. People have got in their minds the return of ECW circa 1996 -- do you really think it's going to be the same? It's not. It's going to be the Vince McMahon version of a promotion that lives on only in a nostalgic sense -- I don't care if Paul Heyman gets the book -- it will not be ECW as long as Vince McMahon has control over it.
ECW was not about low production values and garbage wrestling -- two things which WWE can recreate. There was something intangible about ECW that made it what it was. It was an attitude -- a real attitude -- not the commercialized WWE slogan. It was the "little promotion that could" -- squeezed between two monster promotions that were plucking it to death. These are things that WWE can not recreate -- except for maybe in storylines. It won't be real. It might have the same logo, same wrestlers, same writers, same title belts -- but it will be ECW in name only.
As for it threatening TNA -- I doubt it, but maybe. What another poster said is right. ECW is not ECW -- it's an extension of WWE. That means that it is subject to every whim of Vince McMahon and the McMahon family. If you think he won't interfere you're nuts. There are a great number of people who watch TNA because it's an alternative to WWE -- and because they're supporting any potential competition. ECW is not going to change that -- because it's not ECW -- it's WWE with a new coat of paint.
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