Divided we fall!

[Splattercat]

Splattercat, speaking in Third person, is now a DMK hater...

Listen up...You don't like it, don't go...You're slamming eveyone that left here, and you don't even know it...You're throwing around words like "Obsessed" and "emotionally fragile" and you want these people to come back..?

You know, I stood up for you when Swarm dissed you to no end about your bootlegs...I legalized one for you even, and you thanked me for offering an alternative to simply being torn down by him for making bootlegs that violated the rules for creating your own wrestlers...You want quotes on that..?

So here you are, dissing 60+ people for leaving largely because of that same reason...Here's the bottom line: You don't like the other board, don't go...it's that simple...But you're the one whining about people leaving the boards, and saying they shouldn't but in the same breath they're all obsessed and emotonally fragile...

You make no sense DMK...

[bmurderh8s]

splattercat said:

Splattercat, speaking in Third person, is now a DMK hater...

Listen up...You don't like it, don't go...You're slamming eveyone that left here, and you don't even know it...You're throwing around words like "Obsessed" and "emotionally fragile" and you want these people to come back..?

You know, I stood up for you when Swarm dissed you to no end about your bootlegs...I legalized one for you even, and you thanked me for offering an alternative to simply being torn down by him for making bootlegs that violated the rules for creating your own wrestlers...You want quotes on that..?

So here you are, dissing 60+ people for leaving largely because of that same reason...Here's the bottom line: You don't like the other board, don't go...it's that simple...But you're the one whining about people leaving the boards, and saying they shouldn't but in the same breath they're all obsessed and emotonally fragile...

You make no sense DMK...

I never said they should come back or shouldn't leave. I just wondered what sense it made to leave over such trivial things. I'm not dissing anyone, because I haven't named anyone in particular.

Don't tell me to listen up. Have you seen me post on the other board? No..I feel no reason to leave this board for another board thats pretty much the same thing.

I do think some of the people on the other board are obsessed with Swarm a bit. Not everyone..definitely not. But a few definitely are.

My original point was that splintering off can hurt a community. Don't sit there and throw flak at me, because I've made my point. I'm not out of line...I've done my best to not bash anyone.

Swarm bashed a bootleg of mine..so what..did you see me cry and whine and then leave the board? I thought he was off base and I told him. That was that. I don't need you of all people to leaglize one of my bootlegs. I am fully capable of doing that on my own. I know the card creation rules.

[BDS]

This thread can only end in tragedy.

[bmurderh8s]

bigdaddyswank said:

This thread can only end in tragedy.

You ain't kidding.

My fault I guess. I thought we could discuss why there was such a need for another board. But I guess I was wrong. I gave my reasons why i thought we didn't need another board..and I sorta fell off track with it a bit. That sorta thing happens, because a discussion is a fluid process.

I guess It's insane to think that because Swarm dissed one of my bootlegs that I could ever agree with him or get along with the man.

I don't know..maybe I'm cut out of a different mold. I don't hold petty grudges like that.

[Splattercat]

bmurderh8s said:

My original point was that splintering off can hurt a community. Don't sit there and throw flak at me, because I've made my point. I'm not out of line...I've done my best to not bash anyone.

And yet you say they're obsessed and/or emotionally fragile...Try harder...

[Holland227]

Very True DMK very true. This is not a contest but as I pointed out earlier that if people are going to leave here and want a place to go or leave the game altogether which is better? I feel the other board is in order. The Problem is bickering is going to happen no doubt. I agree with that 110%. I feel however that it is better to keep gamers than lose them. No one picked up their ball and went home. If that was the case no one would be here. Its a matter of choice.

[Wildfire]

bigdaddyswank said:

This thread can only end in tragedy.

And we were doing so well with a peaceable discussion for a good 4 and a half pages or so too.

[bmurderh8s]

wildfire said:

bigdaddyswank said:

This thread can only end in tragedy.

And we were doing so well with a peaceable discussion for a good 4 and a half pages or so too.

This is my fault. Splatter needs to take a chill pill.

[bmurderh8s]

Unfortunately I'm all out of chill pills.

As much as I'd like to get into it with you Splatter I won't. I don't tango. I''m gonna try and keep my composer.

Sorry I disrespected a board you love so much.

[Splattercat]

See that, I call you on saying something backwards and retarded, and now I'm obsessed...

I have my reasons for not liking Swarm...He knows damn well what they are too, if he wants me banned, all he has to do is deny it...Lately, things have been cool here between us, so I'm hoping he doesn't...

Swarm is also banned from the other board for a reason that BDS already pointed out...Once again, you want this thread locked, call me on it...

Finally, I have a history of calling people on saying backasswards hypocritical things, like, "I don't mean to offend you but I think you're weak minded, obsessive, mentally unbalanced, and you really need help because you can't cope with reality"...Ask Chris, he and I have had numerous off the record discussions through PMs, and I'd like to say that he knows where I'm coming from quite well...

Obsessed..? No...Sick of the BS..? Maybe...Funny thing is, you're saying that I don't like Swarm so I need a new board...Yet my first post on here I stated I posted on both...I also happened to miss the creation of the Deuce and didn't actually start contributing until after it had it earned it's moniker...You're talking to me as though I've already deleted my account here...

Look, it's quite obvious you haven't seen what's been going on here, and that's fine...I've had to fill a lot of people in on what's happened over the last few months...You weren't part of the drama, and that's good as well...But if you look back on your posts in this thread, you're telling people they're emotionally impaired for making another message board because they didn't enjoy this one anymore...

Sorry, I have issues with that point of view...

EDIT: And that friends would be me exiting the conversation so it can once again be peaceful...Not that I don't have more to say on the matter, it's just that I really don't have anything more to add...I probably should have left it at my first post...

I hope it turns out well...

[Chris Ingersoll]

turkish said:

If the admin of this board can get over the fractioning of the community

Pfft. It was nearly my idea (note: I am not taking credit/blame for its existence); I once publicly told others (I believe it was Punisher) that "if you don't like the way this board is run, go make your own -- they're free". Now, most of the Deuce guys weren't involved in that discussion and probably never even saw it, but that doesn't change the fact that I knew the option existed and endorsed it if you thought that was what you had to do. I was never broken up about anyone deleting their account and heading over there (with one exception, and that reaction wasn't "broken up").

wildfire said:

bigdaddyswank said:

This thread can only end in tragedy.

And we were doing so well with a peaceable discussion for a good 4 and a half pages or so too.

Really. You guys (speaking to the board in general) have an uncanny knack to get out of control the minute I try to get some work done.

[BDS]

admin said:

Really. You guys (speaking to the board in general) have an uncanny knack to get out of control the minute I try to get some work done.

Serves you right for thinking that you were allowed to try to get something else done.

[Chris Ingersoll]

I know, right? Stupid paying jobs taking time away from my volunteer work.

[swarm]

This thread and the recent exchanges between DMK and splattercat is exactly why we need the other board...

DMK has a valid point that holds water, and Splattercat is getting all bent out of shape and taking it all persoanlly...he says he not obsessed then writes a huge a** post about how and why he isn't...

I give DMK respect for standing up for thoughts, and avoiding the ever so slightly personal attacks SC came back with...

with that said, SC was clearly abandoned by his crew when they all threw up their white flags, so maybe he's feeling a little pressure to stick up for the other board all by himself for the most part...

point is, SC and his brother and others never really could ever handle conflict on this board without over-analyzing the hell out of everything and freaking out, and for that, the other board was created for them where they can be coddled and protected from people like DMK and myself who have opinions too strong to handle.

Does that mean SC sucks as a person. No. It just means he doesn't mesh as well on a board filled with versatile personalities and opinions, and is better suited to hang around people who spend thier times in chat rooms throwing smiley faces around like dollar bills at the strip club...

and that's cool. If it makes them happy, that's the important thing. I myself, wish them the best, and like I said, when I bypass my ban and sneak around over there, they seem happy.

It really is for the best.

[swarm]

And just for the record, I am a splattercat fan.

I always thought he was kind of dragged into a lot of that stuff from before by *others* he associated with and not really on his own recognizance.

[Wildfire]

AS you like to say Swarm...

STRONG!


I think what you said hits it exactly, those guys are not looking for conflict, they're looking for peaceful, amiable discussion. So far, the deuce is providing that. I think there's room in the Cotg world for both. Now, lets all join hands and sing!

Now, about that smiley crack....for a guy who, IIRC, was awfully proud of his sig when he created it, should you really be mocking Smileys? ;D ;D ;D

You know, we could use more smileys here.. maybe if 'Cat could throw missiles at a Swarm smiley, he'd be less inclined to argue , and vice versa.

[tafkaga]

I will add only one post to this thread.

I really do not understand the point of this thread. Is the goal of it to bring people back? Judging by some of the remarks being made by the Deuce's opposition, there's not much to give anyone a warm fuzzy feeling. You have a strange way of going about it if your goal is to 'reunite' this community.

To me, the Filsinger community has become increasingly more negative over the past few years. My problem with this place has nothing to do with people disagreeing with me, because people disagree all the time on the Deuce. My problem is the overwhelming negativity that seems to saturate so many threads and the board as a whole. There are individuals here who love the negativity and feel obligated to spread it all over the board. I'm not going to object to how people want to enjoy their free time...unless of course their enjoyment comes at the expense of someone elses enjoyment, which is exactly what has been going on here for a long time.

There are a few individuals who hold to the position that if we don't like their negativity that we should ignore it, and that if we don't want to ignore it we are immature, whiners, obsessive, etc. Then there are people like myself who are tired of being told that their only options are to like it or ignore it. What other options do we have?

1. Stay on this board and continue to trade punches for another year.
2. Get sick of it and leave the community (which some have)
3. Start a new board for all of those who are tired of the atmosphere here.

It's not as if we did not try to change things. We did. It's not as if we didn't try to go through the proper channels first. We did. None of that did any good, and if you've got this many people who are no longer enjoying the atmosphere of this board, the only logical thing to do is to start a new one and lock out whatever it is that made the other board unenjoyable in the first place. We have done that. You put a positive environment with constructive civil discussion against a negative environment with bickering and most normal people would prefer the positive environment. We have that.

I can't tell some of you how wrong you are that the Deuce will have the same problems that this board does. There are so many boards out there that are closely moderated where the community stays healthy for many years. I've moderated at boards like that before. All it takes is a staff of moderators that are committed to keeping things in line. The Deuce even has the bonus of having a community of members who are also committed to keeping things in line. When the constructive discussions end and the the flaming/bickering begins, we'll curb it. We will not allow it. If someone comes in who enjoys stirring up conflict and annoying people, he'll be ejected. It's that simple. Anyone who does not want to be part of a board like that does not need to sign up.

The way I look at it, we should be ambassadors for this game. These are not just some random wrestling discussion boards which are a dime a dozen. This is the Filsinger Games fan community, linked from the front page by Tom himself. I do not believe that we have the luxury of having an "anything goes" atmosphere.

There are differences of philosophies, and I'm sure Chris has some very good arguments for his. My feelings are that this community does not have to be splintered just because we have two different boards. We have banned one person and only one person from our board, and it wasn't unjustified. Setting aside the fact that he is one of the biggest reasons people left in the first place, his first post on the Deuce as a guest was so far outside the boundaries of civility that he should expect nothing less. Everyone but him is welcome to sign up and you'll get the same chance as anyone else does. Chris can tell you that I've PM'd him a couple of times and assured him that he was welcome to post there and that any antagonizing remarks made toward him would be swiftly moderated.

I have no doubt that some people will have fun dissecting my post here and flaming it. That is fine. I expect nothing less, but I am done. You just need to keep in mind that by making mass generalizations about people who have left here, all you're doing is contributing to the "splintering" of the community. That's just plain common sense. But I think if people don't get it now that so many people have tried to explain it to them, they probably don't want to get it. Enjoy.

[Wildfire]

wow, well said taf.

Clearly, BDS and I should have just tugged on your sleeve, rather than attempt to discribe things are selves.

[BDS]

wildfire said:

You know, we could use more smileys here.. maybe if 'Cat could throw missiles at a Swarm smiley, he'd be less inclined to argue , and vice versa.

This place could definitely use some more smileys.

Edit: Taf? *blink* *blink*

[swarm]

tafkaga said:

I really do not understand the point of this thread.

To me, the Filsinger community has become increasingly more negative over the past few years. My problem with this place has nothing to do with people disagreeing with me, because people disagree all the time on the Deuce. My problem is the overwhelming negativity that seems to saturate so many threads and the board as a whole. There are individuals here who love the negativity and feel obligated to spread it all over the board. I'm not going to object to how people want to enjoy their free time...unless of course their enjoyment comes at the expense of someone elses enjoyment, which is exactly what has been going on here for a long time.

This is hilarious. Like a psycho emo who shoots up a school and wants to blame everyone but himself...

I guess you forgot about the tantrums filled with self admitted personal attacks you spewed all over this board days before Chris banned you which led to your little island of the mistreated you call the deuce.

Nothing negative about that at all.

The point of this thread is that you led a band of friends away from here, and onto another board where you can copy an paste my face on a guy who is [censored] another guy who you copied and pasted Paybacks face on, and a place where people who break laws like sending bestiality pornography to other people's pm box are accepted with open arms and treated like heroes...and you want to run around like you were pushed away from here and picked on.

The day you stop feeling so damn sorry for yourself is the day the rest of your life begins.

Good luck.

MOD EDIT: Small mod to last sentence that didn't change statement.