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Post by BDS on Dec 5, 2006 9:51:46 GMT -5
You don't see me leaving. If I can deal with the occasional bickering, anybody can. It's not a question of being able to deal with it. It's a matter of wanting to deal with it, which a lot of people just don't want to do. A lot of people come to boards like this to have fun, though, and message board drama qualifies as such to very, very few people. And the fact that certain people are banned from the new board is an indictment of certain people's obsession or inability to deal and coexist with people they disagree with. I'm not a mod, but I know roughly what's going on over there. There is one person banned, and he's not banned for who he is. He came over as a guest and posted some particularly vile stuff that's not worth repeating. He later registered an account, made some snarky comments, and the community as a whole decided it was best he be banned. If someone who knows the situation more exactly than I do can correct me or clarify anything I said, please do. |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Dec 5, 2006 10:22:03 GMT -5
If someone who knows the situation more exactly than I do can correct me or clarify anything I said, please do. I'm not one of those people, but your description sounds about right to me. |
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Post by Joe on Dec 5, 2006 10:57:37 GMT -5
Why do people consider heated discussion about athletic competition in the real world to be "arguing over sports," or in this case, wrestling, but on the Internet it is considered "message board drama."
Seriously, where have you been that you can express an opinion about sports or a related field and no one question it?
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Post by BDS on Dec 5, 2006 11:10:04 GMT -5
I don't consider debating/arguing to be message board drama, and I'm not blaming any one person. But look at the real-world wrestling forums. How many threads there lost their original point and turned into not debate over the topic but petty and personal bickering between posters?
I love to talk sports. I love the Cubs, I love the Colts, and I've been defending my teams for ages. I argue with my best friend, a Cowboys fan, of all freaking things, about how his team still sucks despite their fluke win over the Colts and how he's a moron for thinking otherwise, and it's all good-natured fun. Then we laugh and move on.
That's not, in a lot of cases, what happens here. Be it because people overreact, or because they don't know how to behave behind the shield of relative anonymity that the Internet provides, or because sarcasm and "good-natured ribbing" doesn't come across well in the written word, I don't know. But it isn't the "arguing sports" with friends that I know.
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Dec 5, 2006 11:16:08 GMT -5
But look at the real-world wrestling forums. How many threads there lost their original point and turned into not debate over the topic but petty and personal bickering between posters? Which isn't a problem exclusive to here, of course, but you know that. The reason is mostly some evil combination of all of those, IMO. |
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Post by BDS on Dec 5, 2006 11:17:26 GMT -5
But look at the real-world wrestling forums. How many threads there lost their original point and turned into not debate over the topic but petty and personal bickering between posters? Which isn't a problem exclusive to here, of course, but you know that. Absolutely it's not exclusive to here. Nor is it universal to message boards, though. The reason is mostly some evil combination of all of those, IMO. I tend to agree, too. |
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Post by Wildfire on Dec 5, 2006 11:18:56 GMT -5
[ I was aware that people had formed factions within the board..but I never expected they'd take their ball and go home. Like what someone else says is that big of the deal. These People are so fragile emotionally that anything negative thrown at them shatters them into a thousand tiny pieces with no hope of being put back together. Here's the thing (and this address' DMK's comments as well as Swarm's quitter comment).. no one is getting paid to post here. No one signed up to try to be the most prolific poster for some prize, or is getting paid to run their fed on the fed forum. The forum is here to discuss a game and topic we all enjoy. If some people were no longer interested/amused with the discussions, why wouldn't they leave? Would you keep watching a lousy TV show week after week just because you liked the premiere? Do you keeping playing a video game after you've beaten it three times just because that's what you used to do? Is it against the law to get sick of ordering pizza on Friday and order Chinese instead? (you get the idea...) The guys that left here, I would offer, and EXTREMELY loyal GWF fans, in that they were willing to set upa brand new board rather than just leave here, when they weren't happy. I agree its a concern if it happens repeatedly, but for now, its all good. Incidently, I don't agree with anyone getting banned from joined any board... you really should have a chance to follow whatever rules are there. However, since things are going amazingly smoothly over there for now, I guess its a good decision ftm. |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Dec 5, 2006 11:20:32 GMT -5
no one is getting paid to post here I would like to remind everyone that this includes the mod staff. ;D |
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Post by BDS on Dec 5, 2006 11:22:23 GMT -5
no one is getting paid to post here I would like to remind everyone that this includes the mod staff. ;D Chris' job sucks. Everyone just takes turns kicking him in the butt and he gets nothing for it. Unless he takes some sort of perverse pleasure out of getting kicked in the butt, but that's probably best not explored here. |
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Post by Wildfire on Dec 5, 2006 11:22:24 GMT -5
Why do people consider heated discussion about athletic competition in the real world to be "arguing over sports," or in this case, wrestling, but on the Internet it is considered "message board drama." Seriously, where have you been that you can express an opinion about sports or a related field and no one question it? Opinions are great, but when the opinion is "didn't that suck" over and over again, with no further discussion (such as WHAT sucked, what would make it better, what could work going forward, etc) gets old REALLY fast. When "didn't that suck" becomes "if you like this stuff you suck too", that crosses the line between "heated discussion" to "message board drama" |
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Post by Wildfire on Dec 5, 2006 11:24:26 GMT -5
I I love to talk sports. I love the Cubs, I love the Colts, and I've been defending my teams for ages. See, this is a perfect example of how we can all live together in harmony... I consider BDS a friend, despite the fact that he doesn't realize that Bill Belichick is the true God of Football, and Tom Brady his chosen hand on the field  I'm from Boston, btw, and used to be employed at Gilette Stadium, can ya tell |
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Post by Wildfire on Dec 5, 2006 11:25:37 GMT -5
no one is getting paid to post here I would like to remind everyone that this includes the mod staff. ;D Good point.. thanks for keeping this place running.. people don't say that enough |
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Post by Omen on Dec 5, 2006 12:06:59 GMT -5
I would like to remind everyone that this includes the mod staff. ;D Good point.. thanks for keeping this place running.. people don't say that enough I second the motion...That's the only opinion you'll get from me here! |
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Post by swarm on Dec 5, 2006 12:37:53 GMT -5
Why do people consider heated discussion about athletic competition in the real world to be "arguing over sports," or in this case, wrestling, but on the Internet it is considered "message board drama." Seriously, where have you been that you can express an opinion about sports or a related field and no one question it? Opinions are great, but when the opinion is "didn't that suck" over and over again, with no further discussion (such as WHAT sucked, what would make it better, what could work going forward, etc) gets old REALLY fast. When "didn't that suck" becomes "if you like this stuff you suck too", that crosses the line between "heated discussion" to "message board drama" This is ridiculous. DMK pinned the tail on the freaking donkey when he said this: " ...I was aware that people had formed factions within the board..but I never expected they'd take their ball and go home. Like what someone else says is that big of the deal. These people are so fragile emotionally that anything negative thrown at them shatters them into a thousand tiny pieces with no hope of being put back together."Why can't something just suck? You watch TNA, you know it sucks, why do I need to waste my time explaining to you something you already know? Jerry Lawler sucks. That's my opinion. I don't owe anyone a detailed explanation as to why I think that, and and anyone who thinks I do has issues. the fact of the matter is, TNA doesn't suck any less now that some started up another board... This is a total cop out. |
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Post by bmurderh8s on Dec 5, 2006 12:51:04 GMT -5
Here's my thought process on this. And please, correct me if I'm wrong.
People left this board to start a new board because they felt that other people's opinions were ruining discussion, and somehow belittling their opinions. That there was too much bickering and so on. First of all, it takes two to tango. Discussions wouldn't spiral out of control if people would just let things be. These very same people who left also contributed to the bickering.
Also, whats this new board going to do when someone pops up that disagrees with them so radically that fights break out?! Ban them?! Fraction off again and form a new board? Limit membership to just your buddies?
It's bound to happen, and you have to show a little leeway with situations like this. You can't ban people because their opinion doesn't contribute to the discussion. Even if they are in some way baiting the other posters. Those posters are still "taking the bait.". So what do you do? I think the MODS have done a well enough job on this board. They've realized the fine line here and know you can't just go banning everyone for things they say that other people may not like.
People need to work out their differences instead of bailing and opening new forums. All thats doing is spreading out the community to the point where this thing will be a graveyard just like the egroups are today. I saw the very same thing happen over there and it's beginning to happen here.
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Dec 5, 2006 12:54:04 GMT -5
Here's my thought process on this. And please, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think you're wrong so much as you're employing a different philosphy than those who have left (and this includes those who spend most of their time over there but remain here). As with most problems in life, there is rarely just one correct solution; you have to do what's best for you. |
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Post by BDS on Dec 5, 2006 13:02:30 GMT -5
First of all, it takes two to tango. Discussions wouldn't spiral out of control if people would just let things be. Yes, and discussions wouldn't spiral out of control if nobody ever started the spiral in the first place. It does take two to tango, as you said. So why is all of this the fault of the people who left? Why is that entire group of people expected to change so they can just suck it up and take it, but the other group isn't expected to change in any way and maybe be a little more courteous in their posting? Ingersoll hit the nail on the head. Some of us think that we should all just be able to discuss and disagree while still maintaining our composure. Some of us think that we should just shut up, take it, and go have a beer after. Yet others of us think the rest of us are all stupid. Agree to disagree. |
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Post by swarm on Dec 5, 2006 13:04:29 GMT -5
Here's my thought process on this. And please, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think you're wrong so much as you're employing a different philosophy than those who have left (and this includes those who spend most of their time over there but remain here). As with most problems in life, there is rarely just one correct solution; you have to do what's best for you. This is very mature and very true. If we sat here and tried to psychologically figure out each individual involved, and whether they are right or wrong, this thread would make THREAD look like one of Bazzy's fight cards... Everyone has feelings, everyone has opinions, and everyone will never have the same of either...it is what it is... The truth of the matter is, opinions and quarrels aside, there isn't a person on that other board outside of the one guy who tried to get me fired from my job who I wouldn't go to bat for any day of the week if needed... If I were hanging out in a bar with GWFanTrav, CPB, and splattercat and someone messed with them that someone would get their a** beat because when it's all said and done, we are still a community and I look out for my own no matter what kind of wrestling they like... Maybe they wouldn't say the same but that's me and that's the truth. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Dec 5, 2006 13:08:11 GMT -5
Here's my thought process on this. And please, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think you're wrong so much as you're employing a different philosphy than those who have left (and this includes those who spend most of their time over there but remain here). As with most problems in life, there is rarely just one correct solution; you have to do what's best for you. Well put. If the admin of this board can get over the fractioning of the community, I think others should be able to as well. Plus, most of us still post and visit here as well. |
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Post by bmurderh8s on Dec 5, 2006 13:16:12 GMT -5
I was just wondering how you can use the arguement of leaving because of the fighting when you also contributed to it. Thats all.
To expect an online discussion board to resemble something of a utopia seems unrealistic. Unless of course you keep membership restricted to just your friends.
I'm saying its ridiculous to expect that a new board will remain free of the very things people dislike about this board. Possibly even naive.
And to be honest, it does come down to people having unrealistic expectations and being unable to cope with certain situations. You can tell me that it shouldn't be this way, but go look at any other open membership forum on the net. Thats the way it is. I wonder how some of these people deal with these same situations in real life.
The two boards are basically the same thing...and for me, there is no need to have two boards that are essentially the same. I could see if it was just a board dedicated to bootlegs(idea), but all this is, is crap. I've seen posts on the other board comparing post counts as if it matters or these people in some way wish this new board to be more popular/succesful then this one. It isn't a contest. And it's not about being a respectful and positive representative of the game in which you love so dearly.
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IPPON!!