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Post by Rod Munchkin on Nov 6, 2005 21:44:28 GMT -5
Im with you on the Diego thing. The guys looked awesome last night. Slick takedowns, unbelievable conditioning, and undeniable heart. But it makes me cringe everytime he opens his mouth or abosrbs chi from the earth (or whatever he was doin before the fight).
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Post by gamtime247 on Nov 7, 2005 10:08:17 GMT -5
I really thought the televised fights were great. Florian (although I dont like him) was pretty impressive, not actually winning on a cut this time.
Luke-Joe was really good as Luke played a great underdog role, but major props to Joe for fighting and winning with a torn clavicle.
Rashad-Brad was a good fight for 2 heavyweights, Brad really impressed me with his ability to take a punch, really sad to hear about his mom passing away the very next day least she was in attendance for the fight. If Brad continues to train with guys like Tim Slyvia, Rich Franklin, and Billy Rush I think he's got a great future ahead of him.
Diaz-Sanchez really has the makings of a great rivalry with both being so young and having bright futures. Diego is a pitbull with his takedowns. The guy never stops coming at you. I loved the fight but its so hard to cheer for either guy just because Diaz hardly ever gives anyone props and Diego is a great fighter but comes off as such a meathead in his interviews.
Read about the prelims, since most fights went the distance we didn't get to see them. Hopefully they'll show them on a episode of unleashed. Keith defeated Kerry with leg strikes to Kerry's bad knee apparently, Melvin tko'd Marcus, and Josh knocked out Sammy in a little over 20 seconds. It'll be really interesting to see what Josh and Melvin end up doing in their upcoming fights since they pretty much knocked each other out of the show.
Loved the card, thought it was really impressive for 4 fights on free tv considering 3 went the distance and were never really considered boring.
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Post by CP on Nov 7, 2005 12:39:20 GMT -5
Great finale for Ultimate Fighter Season 2. UFC had to get some extra buys for the upcoming PPV and the eventual TUF 2 Season boxset, which was needed since I don't think many would have bought it due to a lackluster first half of the season.
I was surprised that UFC didn't give Luke Cummo (to a lesser extent Brad Imes) the Stephan Bonnar contract, considering how well he performed in defeat and how he had the crowd behind him. Hopefully the awesome Diego/Diaz fight and Cummo/Stevenson will show fans that fights on the ground can be just as exciting, if not more, than a standup war.
I don't know if Diaz comments came from the fact that he was legit pissed off or smart enough to realize that a rematch, since people are willing to see it, would easily double or triple what he currently makes in UFC. It might be a mix of both.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Nov 7, 2005 17:21:51 GMT -5
I thought about them giving Cuomo the "Bonnar Contract" as you put it but then that sends a message that all the fiighters really have to do is survive fifteen minutes and they get one. Now Cuomo and Bonnar were tough tot he end of those fights to be sure. We will seem more of the skinny nerd who can kick you into next week.
I had a co-worker disagree with me that Luke actually won. Anyone agree?
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Post by Shon Maxx on Nov 7, 2005 18:20:55 GMT -5
I was one of the first people to praise Luke (okay, I'll admit, it was more along the lines of curiosity), but I could see how Joe won the fight. He scored the on takedowns and holds, even if Luke did escape every single one. That being said, I was hoping it went into sudden death. I really thought Joe would run out of gas if it did. He was starting to fade while Luke seemed to have plenty left.
I usually ignore Diego's comments and just watch him kick the #$#@ out of people. Here's a question, considering that Diego, Luke, and Joe are all welterweights, what do you think would happen if Diego fought either of them?
I never thought highly of Florian, but I'm glad one match ended in something other than a decision.
I'm glad Rashaad won; I was pulling for him. My boss thought it was a boring fight, but I loved how he knocked Brad down twice.
A final word (or rather a few of them) about Luke. He's good, but he really needs to improve his grappling. That's twice he lost to a wrestler (last year, right before TUF2 began, he lost by decision to Josh Koscheck). Escaping holds is good, but he needs to work on counters or he'll keep suffering these kinds of losses to other grapplers.
Overall a great show (except for over an hour of commercials, but they needs sponsers).
Jay
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Post by magog1 on Nov 7, 2005 18:34:52 GMT -5
Kinda sucks now that the reasons over.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Nov 7, 2005 19:37:03 GMT -5
I agree with much of what bladeflyer said.
Luke needs to work on grappling submissions, but did an excellent job defending against Stevension, who is one of the better wrestler/ grappling I have seen. I was hoping Joe would run out of gas, but I definitely concede that he was the aggressor in the match. The decision was well placed.
I was rooting for Rashad also, but the heavyweights need a lot of work if they think they can compete with Arlowski.
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Post by CP on Nov 7, 2005 22:12:33 GMT -5
Considering that Dana White called Joe-Cummo a ground version of Bonnar vs. Griffin, I am sure I wasn't the only one who thought that Cummo would get the Bonnar contract. I thought he deserved the 6 figure contract more than Bonnar, although Bonnar definitely deserves it as well. When Bonnar vs. Griffin happened, it was an even money fight with one or the other being a slight favorite. With Cummo, most (including myself) thought that Luke was tapping by Round 1. The fact that he did as excellent as he did, and had the crowd really behind showed that he is going to be a star in the UFC. He is definitely worth the investment.
If I was UFC, then I might keep an eye on Brad Imes. I think crazy old McMahon might throw a ton of money at him to get him to train in pro wrestling and join WWE. Imes looks like the kind of wrestling that McMahon would want. I don't know if this is going to be a trend, but I wonder if we'll start seeing ex-pro football players start doing MMA.
I would say about 5 years ago that as soon as Brad Imes gave up football that the WWE would have taken a serious look at him, just like many other ex-football players had made the transition from football to pro wrestling. MMA offers a better quick payday than pro wrestling, unless they get signed directly by WWE and get on WWE TV. In the next few years, I am curious to see if more ex-football players will go towards MMA instead of pro wrestling or if Imes is going to be in the minority.
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Post by Magog1 on Nov 8, 2005 2:40:05 GMT -5
Considering that Dana White called Joe-Cummo a ground version of Bonnar vs. Griffin, I am sure I wasn't the only one who thought that Cummo would get the Bonnar contract. I thought he deserved the 6 figure contract more than Bonnar, although Bonnar definitely deserves it as well. When Bonnar vs. Griffin happened, it was an even money fight with one or the other being a slight favorite. With Cummo, most (including myself) thought that Luke was tapping by Round 1. The fact that he did as excellent as he did, and had the crowd really behind showed that he is going to be a star in the UFC. He is definitely worth the investment. If I was UFC, then I might keep an eye on Brad Imes. I think crazy old McMahon might throw a ton of money at him to get him to train in pro wrestling and join WWE. Imes looks like the kind of wrestling that McMahon would want. I don't know if this is going to be a trend, but I wonder if we'll start seeing ex-pro football players start doing MMA. I would say about 5 years ago that as soon as Brad Imes gave up football that the WWE would have taken a serious look at him, just like many other ex-football players had made the transition from football to pro wrestling. MMA offers a better quick payday than pro wrestling, unless they get signed directly by WWE and get on WWE TV. In the next few years, I am curious to see if more ex-football players will go towards MMA instead of pro wrestling or if Imes is going to be in the minority. God reading this makes me wish i can be excited about wrestling again. I miss all the net gossip. It's kinda funny seeing Rashad talking about dropping down to light heavy weight. Doesn't that basically mean no new blood for the heavy weigh division? I think Brad got a bad deal and all but I think Rashad was a more pleasing pick for fans. Hell I’m happy he won. I just have a heard time seeing Brad as a long term investment. He’s green. Really green. I know he’s improved a lot, but I lack the vision to see him improve to be a great heavy weight or even a b level heavy weight. |
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Post by gamtime247 on Nov 8, 2005 8:20:59 GMT -5
I usually ignore Diego's comments and just watch him kick the #$#@ out of people. Here's a question, considering that Diego, Luke, and Joe are all welterweights, what do you think would happen if Diego fought either of them? Jay I think Diego would beat either pretty easily. I'm not a huge Diego fan but I just think he really is the top guy of the two seasons right now. I can see him hanging with or beating anyone at welterweight in the UFC not named Hughes or St.Pierre. |
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Post by Big Bri on Nov 8, 2005 13:27:36 GMT -5
I watched UFC for the first time in awhile last night and it was a great show, especially Sanchez-Diaz. I was really into that match. It was weird anticipating who would win because you pretty much know what is going to happen in WWE. I'm glad Diego could keep his streak going though. Diaz sounded like an idiot still bi tching about Sanchez after he just lost to him.
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Post by Magog1 on Nov 8, 2005 16:26:53 GMT -5
Glad to have you aboad the MMA side. You kinda picked an odd time to pop in(the seasons over heh) but there's always reruns. Diez is a really good fighter in all honesty, he just seems to lack maturity.
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Post by CP on Nov 8, 2005 19:05:52 GMT -5
For those who are curious about the TV ratings, this Ultimate Finale drew an overall 2.0. This is actually higher than the first season Ultimate Finale with the Shamrock/Franklin main event.
Also, Matt Serra said that Luke did sign a contract with the UFC. It isn't the Bonnar deal with him making 6 figures, but I imagine it has to be higher than what the average UFC undercarder makes.
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Post by Big Bri on Nov 8, 2005 21:18:29 GMT -5
Glad to have you aboad the MMA side. You kinda picked an odd time to pop in(the seasons over heh) but there's always reruns. Diez is a really good fighter in all honesty, he just seems to lack maturity. I watched season 1 of UF but it led to me not getting enough sleep which led to my grades plummeting, so I had to sit out of season 2 for my own good. I didn't have school this morning, so I could stay up and watch it last night. I like Sanchez so when I heard he was gonna fight I just had to watch. |
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Post by Magog1 on Nov 9, 2005 4:28:13 GMT -5
For those who are curious about the TV ratings, this Ultimate Finale drew an overall 2.0. This is actually higher than the first season Ultimate Finale with the Shamrock/Franklin main event. Also, Matt Serra said that Luke did sign a contract with the UFC. It isn't the Bonnar deal with him making 6 figures, but I imagine it has to be higher than what the average UFC undercarder makes. That's a start. Luke got his foot in the door. That's all i could ask for. |
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Post by swarm on Nov 9, 2005 16:05:49 GMT -5
Just curious...what is the bad rap on Diego Sanchez all about? I guess I missed something. I'm a big fan of his.
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Post by Magog1 on Nov 10, 2005 1:07:28 GMT -5
Just curious...what is the bad rap on Diego Sanchez all about? I guess I missed something. I'm a big fan of his. You didn't know? HE's an ultimate fighter kid. That and he's Mexican and people can't handle that(jk). I don't know I just simply thought he was a tin can. He proved his worth against Diaz.. and now I don't know what to make of him. I'm not going to say how good he is... but I do know he is a good fighter. Damn good. |
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Post by MAgog1 on Nov 10, 2005 1:09:02 GMT -5
Heh just relized how dumb that sounded. I ment to say I'm not going to try and rate him as a fighter.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Nov 10, 2005 5:41:45 GMT -5
In refernece to the Unltimate Fighte kid, think how the Tuff Enough guys were accepted into the WWE.
I personally do not like him. From the few interviews I have seen, I gathered that he thinks he is the next Messiah. I never saw it in his two previous fights because they were so quick. Now, at least I give him credit for being a very talented and intelligent fighter. He was quite impressive against Diaz. I still do not like him.
Perhaps it is the way that the announcers talk up the TUF guys. Maybe all of the dislike comes from Joe Rogan. I hates me some Joe Rogan.
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Post by swarm on Nov 10, 2005 20:58:21 GMT -5
well I knew he won the UFC contest. It just seemed like people don't like him cause of something he said and I wondered what it was. Thanks.
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