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Post by Darth Turkish on Jul 25, 2006 14:58:51 GMT -5
Anbody following this storyline?
I gotta talk with someone about it!
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Post by Wildfire on Jul 25, 2006 16:13:58 GMT -5
I've sorta decide to mostly get trades... I just don't have the cash to drop $40 a week on comics right now *sniff* I've read a few issues at the grocery store, and keep up the review, and to be honest I'm not impressed. I have been keeping up via on-line reviews and such, so I'd be happy to discuss  |
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Post by fredkc6cfb on Jul 25, 2006 16:49:59 GMT -5
I've been keeping up by reading people's posts at comic boards online.
I just see it as another scam by Marvel (Ala the multiple gimmick covers of the 1990's) to fleece their fanbase of as much cash as possible, while dilvering sub-par storylines.
I remember when Marvel actually sold their comics by presenting their loyal readers with awesome artwork, great stories, and reasonably priced books. Boy, that was some ages ago, eh?
That's why I just stick with Dark Horse and a few Indy publishers now-a-days.
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Post by blueraider1 on Jul 25, 2006 20:47:56 GMT -5
marvel was great at one time. they need to get it together.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jul 25, 2006 20:54:31 GMT -5
Well I enjoy the story quite a bit. A big shake up by putting the Marvel heroes against each other on a philosophical issue. Plus there is real fallout from this as several characters have died.
I was hoping someone could clue me into as to why Bishop, of the X men fame, would agree to Heroes being registered? I mean, He has that "M" on his face because of such branding. And he came from an Apocalypse- led world where a villian, not a hero, was responsible for the terrible society.
So that is the main question: Why is Vishop on the side ( for registraion and governmental control of superheroes) that his whole character history seems to be polar opposite with?
Overall, I really like what has been going on, except with a holes like Bishop and a certain Thunder Guy on what I would consider the "wrong" sides.
Any help or ideas would be appreciated.
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Post by Wildfire on Jul 26, 2006 14:01:57 GMT -5
I apologize if I sound like a troll here, but alot of the decisions characters are making in civil war aren't making alot of sense.
I can't see why Spidey would "come out" and endanger Mary Jane and Aunt May..
Even Cap being on the "rebel" side is a little weird... seems like he should speak out against it without going underground, if you ask me.
Anyway, to answer your question, my only guess (and its a stretch) would be that since its NOT mutants, but anyone with superpowers, maybe Bishop thinks this is different enough from his timeline to prevent it.. (again, its weak, but its all I got)
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jul 26, 2006 15:45:15 GMT -5
You know, I have to agree with you somewhat, Wildfire. Some of the positions are are pretty weak.
For the most part I can ignore/ accept some of the weaker explanations of choosing sides (read: Cap) but I sort of like the Spider man thing. Sure it's a big leap for Spidey, and a big deviation from the character, but I can at least see a few good stories from this. Plus I see Spidey as an impressionable young guy, and when guys like Iron Man, Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four are sweet taliking him, I could see him falling for it.
I can see Cap on the rebel side as well. He is not a represenation of he land of America, but more along the lines of freedom and protection of rights. He actually unmasked not too long ago ( a year or so). Plus he always been agaisnt being used as a weapon for a personal agend against "regualar" armies. I guess despite technically being a government operative, Cap has always liked to do is own thing.
But Bishop's motives perplex me.
Not a bad stroyline, until people like you and I put some thought to it.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jul 27, 2006 0:59:56 GMT -5
Ah, but in Bishop's future, he was a policeman that hunter superhumans. It actually does make sense when you think about it.
One of the few parts of Civil War that does (Captain America's reaction being another).
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Jul 27, 2006 8:08:55 GMT -5
I stopped buying comics a long time ago, but I'm familiar with the gist of this story arc.
I fail to comprehend why any mutant would want to come out publicly after everything they've gone through in the past. Mutants have always had that additional layer to protecting their identities: preventing your friends and family from being used as pawns/tools against you is one thing, but saving yourself from being hunted down by ordinary people is quite another.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jul 27, 2006 12:52:47 GMT -5
Ah, but in Bishop's future, he was a policeman that hunter superhumans. It actually does make sense when you think about it. One of the few parts of Civil War that does (Captain America's reaction being another). Okay, I have a bit better understanding now. I like Bishop quite a bit and knoew his general history. I still think he would be against any kind of registration. I see Cap's side as well. As for a returning Lightning Hurler, well, we'll see a few more issues before I pass judgement. |
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Post by Wildfire on Jul 27, 2006 12:54:58 GMT -5
The thing with Spidey is he's been around long enough NOT to just go along with Tony Stark or Reed Richards.. he's only a couple years younger than they are (how many? who knows! I'm still a little annoyed that they keep making Tony younger)
and has been a superhero just about at long.
I sort of agree that in his depiction of late, it makes sense, but that whole depiction doesn't, IMO
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jul 28, 2006 0:23:23 GMT -5
Aye...and he's always been FAR more impressed by Captain America than Iron Man or Mr. Fantastic.
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Post by Mad Dog on Jul 28, 2006 3:36:27 GMT -5
I'm glad they took the road they did with Spider-Man. The whole Spider-Man franchise had been pretty stagnant since the early 90s. This is the most interesting he's been since his parents were revealed to be robots or whatever.
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Post by fredkc6cfb on Jul 28, 2006 5:24:52 GMT -5
Aye...and he's always been FAR more impressed by Captain America than Iron Man or Mr. Fantastic. I agree. At least back when I was a regular reader of something like 4 or 5 different Spider-Man titles from '82 through '91, he seemed to have an almost "hero worship" sort of relationship with Captain America. And who could blame him, I guess. Cap is the icon of victory and justice in the Marvel Universe. Marvel's Superman, in that regard. I don't even recognize the contemporary Peter Parker/Spider-Man, he's so far removed from what I grew up with. And that's okay. Characters and comics have to move on and evolve with the times. Still, his move to unmask and essentially paint huge targets on the backs of his family and friends makes zero sense. Spider-Man has just got too many people looking to settle accounts with him. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jul 28, 2006 8:33:37 GMT -5
Aye...and he's always been FAR more impressed by Captain America than Iron Man or Mr. Fantastic. Yes but they are on two opposing sides. And he can go with the super smart guy who has numerical predictions on how registration will reduce the number of fatalities ( and who is relaitev of a close personal friend) or a living legend, whose mindet is still back in the 40's. Fred is correct with his assessment of the character's direction. When I was reading in the late 80's and early 90's he was a nid/ late twenty something wh was trying to move ahead with a family. Now It seems like he has somehow regressed in age, and making the choices of someone that age. I do dtrongly agree with Maddog in that this was the best move for Spidey storylinewise. I just hope it does not turn out like that horrid Clone arc.  |
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Post by Mad Dog on Jul 28, 2006 13:03:27 GMT -5
I'd say Parker's more in line with his character currently than he was during the early to mid 90s. He was almost Batman like for a span of a couple of years. He was so off character that's why they brought in the Scarlet Spider.
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Post by Vidtek on Jul 28, 2006 15:07:46 GMT -5
My friends and I where talking and we came up with some predictions as to what may go down in this story arc. one of them was that someone on the Pro-Registration side must have his family destroyed becuase of going puplic (I don't use Coming out, it carries a diffrent conotation). And Spider-Man is the perfect character to do this with! He spent his whole life protecting his loved ones from the other side of his life and now the two are one. And in truth I could totaly see Spidy going along with Stark. Spider-Man is not a villian, and if you are unregistered that's what you become (becasue what is a Super Villian but a Super Hero who breaks the law?!). So of course he'd sign, it's "Responsability." So I'm taking bets as to when MJ and Aunt May are going to buy the farm, and probably at the hands of Doc Oc.
Big Time
Also, anyone following the Front Lines title? My gosh is this good stuff! The stories behind poor Speedball...man is he getting it but good!. Also, I wounder if any employees of one Titan building where killed in the blast. After all it was in Stamford..........just saying is all......
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Post by Mad Dog on Jul 28, 2006 15:33:36 GMT -5
It would be stupid to do that with Spider-Man frankly. His biggest enemies have known his ID for years. If Norman Osborn hasn't killed May or MJ then there's no reason to have another of his baddies do it.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jul 28, 2006 16:13:43 GMT -5
You know ASM 400 of the original run was a classic issue where May Parker died. Very well written and touching, even letting Peter knew all those years. Great, great Comic.
Then they messed that up a few years later by claiming the May that died was a clone. How friggin ridiculous.
Way to destroy a great story.
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Post by Mike M on Jul 28, 2006 19:22:48 GMT -5
You know ASM 400 of the original run was a classic issue where May Parker died. Very well written and touching, even letting Peter knew all those years. Great, great Comic. Then they messed that up a few years later by claiming the May that died was a clone. How friggin ridiculous. Way to destroy a great story. I have that book.... and you're right. It was uber cool. Fortunately, I wasn't reading later when they screwed it up. |
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