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Post by Darth Turkish on Aug 16, 2006 5:18:53 GMT -5
Okay, I am embarrased...
Who was Fred Hembeck and why did he destroy the Universe?
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 16, 2006 11:06:49 GMT -5
All right, if superheroes were around today, would you be in favor of Registration or not? Me, I would say no to registration. I think they are doing their civic duty, and doing this on their own time. Not being forced to fight allows them the lattitude to do it and stay interested. They want to ewear a funny costume while they are protecting me, fine. Totally for. Think about it this way. Some super hero comes crashing through your wall at 3 in the morning. Now had police officers done the damage the city would have to pay for the damages but now your stuck. Insurance probably wouldn't cover it. You don't know SHIELD exists or most of the cosmic threats, just jokes like Electro. A lot of people think they'd be against but I think in that situation they would see the lack of accountability that super heroes have and it would make them want to be trained and registered just like police officers are. |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Aug 16, 2006 14:19:38 GMT -5
All right, if superheroes were around today, would you be in favor of Registration or not? Me, I would say no to registration. I think they are doing their civic duty, and doing this on their own time. Not being forced to fight allows them the lattitude to do it and stay interested. They want to ewear a funny costume while they are protecting me, fine. Totally for. Think about it this way. Some super hero comes crashing through your wall at 3 in the morning. Now had police officers done the damage the city would have to pay for the damages but now your stuck. Insurance probably wouldn't cover it. You don't know SHIELD exists or most of the cosmic threats, just jokes like Electro.. Well... there's also the implication that if superheroes exist, then so do super villians (like Electro) -- and a lot of them aren't exactly subtle. In that case, insurance companies would probably have some sort of "metahuman collateral damage" coverage. |
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 16, 2006 14:34:42 GMT -5
I would really doubt it with as much damage as they cause. At the most they might offer it in some of the hot spots for heroes.
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Aug 16, 2006 14:37:28 GMT -5
Failing that, the government could also cover for the collateral damage of supers (via a bureau more competent than FEMA), like in The Incredibles.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Aug 16, 2006 15:00:27 GMT -5
Well the supervillians are out for personal gain, why can't the heroes do the, uh, heroing because they want to?
Insurace aside, becasue there most likely would be "SuperDisaster Insurance" for sale, these guys should not be tools of the government just because they have abilities above the rest. They are being good samaritians. They should allowed to be annonomous.
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 16, 2006 15:23:27 GMT -5
You can get in trouble for giving someone CPR without a certification. The thought of completely untrained people enforcing what they think is the law would never go over well. You have to register a gun and about just everything else. And you're saying you have no problem with someone who has powers that could blow up an entire neighborhood not having to be trained to use them.
If the Samford thing happened here you would all be on here rightly up in arms over what a bunch of untrained heroes did.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Aug 16, 2006 18:20:39 GMT -5
Okay, I am embarrased... Who was Fred Hembeck and why did he destroy the Universe? Hembeck was a writer-artist who got to do a one shot back in the 80s in which The Grim Reaper went down the list from A-Z killing all the Marvel heroes and villains. It was a cute, funny book, written as comedy. |
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Post by The Crow 68 on Aug 16, 2006 18:22:41 GMT -5
Can someonme tell me what happened ?
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Aug 16, 2006 18:23:03 GMT -5
If the Samford thing happened here you would all be on here rightly up in arms over what a bunch of untrained heroes did. That's another flaw in the story...the heroes "responsible" are trained, competent heroes who don't have a track record of being reckless. The New Warriors (most of them) have bee involved in cosmic bust-ups or massive slugfests without endangering innocents. Yeah, not even Speedball has a track record of being that kind of a foul-up. |
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Post by theace4ever on Aug 16, 2006 18:24:55 GMT -5
Okay, I am embarrased... Who was Fred Hembeck and why did he destroy the Universe? Hembeck was a writer-artist who got to do a one shot back in the 80s in which The Grim Reaper went down the list from A-Z killing all the Marvel heroes and villains. It was a cute, funny book, written as comedy. Didnt Hembeck also do Peter Porker; Spider-Ham and Groo the Wanderer? EDIT: actually now that I think back, I believe Sergio Aragones (sic?) did Groo the Wanderer, but Im sure that Hembeck did Spider-Ham and also worked awhile for Mad Magazine and regularly did superhero spoofs in that. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Aug 16, 2006 19:17:46 GMT -5
You can get in trouble for giving someone CPR without a certification. True but that is a fairly technical thing sort of like disarming a bomb, and I am not about to attempt that either. People like to help in the methods that best suit their skills. Some can control crowds, get supplies, lift and carry an injured person, fend off robbers, or kick Kang the Conqueror's butt across town. True on the gun thing, but the guns are not part of a person, whereas most of the powers are. Master martial artists do not have to register themelves, nor do Olympic- caliber boxers, judo players, wrestlers. etc. and all have skills that make them dangerous to the general public, just not on a grand scale. And who, exactly, will train them to use their powers "correctly"? They are not, and should be forced to become soldiers at the beck and call of one particular governing body. Maybe, but I would never want them under a certain government's control. |
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 20, 2006 17:47:50 GMT -5
If the Samford thing happened here you would all be on here rightly up in arms over what a bunch of untrained heroes did. That's another flaw in the story...the heroes "responsible" are trained, competent heroes who don't have a track record of being reckless. The New Warriors (most of them) have bee involved in cosmic bust-ups or massive slugfests without endangering innocents. Yeah, not even Speedball has a track record of being that kind of a foul-up. But they weren't in the Samford incident. They were gloryhounds trying to get ratings for some tv show. They started the fight and didn't seem to have the guys properly scouted out. |
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 20, 2006 17:58:51 GMT -5
Law enforcement is a pretty technical thing too. Most of the villains caught would never see prison because the capturing hero most certainly violated their constitutional rights at some point. Plus said hero probably isn't showing up in court to testify. So how much good are they really doing if the bad guys are just getting right out because of the heroes?
True but someone shooting laser beams out of their eyes is a little different than being able to punch really hard.
I'd say SHIELD would be the most qualified at least in a Marvel type situation or they could have Xavier's people do it. There hasn't been anything to suggest in the main book that they'd become soldiers for the government. Iron Man and his group are doing it of their own free will. Captain America was ordered to but he was a SHIELD agent at the time and doesn't count. If the person with powers doesn't put on a mask and fight crime they'll be left alone from the way it's been shown so far.
But people with powers would have to be trained. There's really no way around that. You'd have to figure out a way of testing before powers surface and then probably move them to special schools. Someone like Cyclops getting their powers suddenly could lead to huge disasters. Plus it's probably easier for a meta-human to be around others going through the same thing.
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Post by fredkc6cfb on Aug 22, 2006 3:31:02 GMT -5
That all just leads to a single inevitability - The United States government training and using metahumans to enforce it's will globally. And don't say it wouldn't happen, because there's no way Uncle Sam wouldn't use a cache of living "WMD's" to secure America's position of power and influence in the world.
No way Washington would pay tens of millions per metahuman to monitor and train these guys, and then give 'em a superhero diploma and say "Good luck!" and send them home.
And that means a world metahuman arms race as China, Russia, and whoever else begins to train and stockpile their own superhumans.
Think the cold war nuklear arms race was bad?
Would we react to superheroes causing collataral damage if they really existed? Probably not more than we complain about military blunders. Misdirected "smart" weapons used by "trained" persons,
kill civilians all the time.
And I'm sure we'd complain louder if super villains wrecked havoc, while our government prevented a super powered hero (who wasn't registered) from stopping the bad guys.
Considering the complete ineptitude of some government agency's, I don't think I'd want the government training them anyway.
Can you imagine? The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants is destroying a power plant in Michigan! A call goes out to the U.S. Department of Metahuman Affairs......"We need help!" And as the bureaucrats begin to debate the best course of action, the Brotherhood annihilates the power plant and vanishes before a single registered hero makes the scene....all the while, some unregistered heroes were nearby but couldn't involve themselves for fear of the government coming after them.
The whole Marvel Civil War angle is just soooo stupid and short sighted on Marvel's behalf. They didn't stop to consider the long term effects of the CW on continuity. They didn't consider the heroes personalities. And what will happen, when Marvel's writers fail to come up with a satisfactory end to the tale is another total universe reboot, in which the Civil War was a "dream" or is erased from history, or some other such nonsense.
All Marvel is interested in is making a quick buck now. And we've all seen what that mindset can have on a company.
All just my opinion, of course. But we'll see how everything plays out.
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Post by GrumpyBigBee on Aug 30, 2006 10:23:37 GMT -5
found this image dealing with the story line. Pretty tight! Admin edit: Holy hugeness, Batman! Linked image to save bandwidth. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Aug 30, 2006 19:30:03 GMT -5
I love those pics. It always is great to see who is popular with shots like these.
I am glad top see Cap coming in at about #3 or so.
Surprised (and happy) to see Juggy and Deadpool so far up there as well.
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Post by Mike M on Aug 31, 2006 9:23:43 GMT -5
Interesting to see the 2nd Spidey in there. He's above Cyclopes, a little to the right.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Aug 31, 2006 12:29:09 GMT -5
Interesting to see the 2nd Spidey in there. He's above Cyclopes, a little to the right. That is DeadPool |
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Post by Gunslinger on Aug 31, 2006 14:16:39 GMT -5
Look at the fist directly above Cyclopes' head and a hair to the right. I think it's probably meant to be Spider-girl.
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