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Post by thefamoustommyz on May 29, 2006 0:23:22 GMT -5
Personally, I thought the Magneto line was intentional. After all, he and Xavir both said she could do anythnig she sat her mind to. Surviving the crushing water, to Magneto's mind, wasn't a stretch.
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Post by Pete Beck on May 29, 2006 11:35:28 GMT -5
Personally, I thought the Magneto line was intentional. After all, he and Xavir both said she could do anythnig she sat her mind to. Surviving the crushing water, to Magneto's mind, wasn't a stretch. I agree...i could see how Magneto would think that Jean was alive as both he and Charles knew the extent of her powers...and that somehow she could survive... |
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Post by Darth Turkish on May 29, 2006 14:24:17 GMT -5
Personally, I thought the Magneto line was intentional. After all, he and Xavir both said she could do anythnig she sat her mind to. Surviving the crushing water, to Magneto's mind, wasn't a stretch. I agree...i could see how Magneto would think that Jean was alive as both he and Charles knew the extent of her powers...and that somehow she could survive... My thoughts exactly. Although Mags and Charles are both Cat. 5 mutants |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on May 29, 2006 17:43:27 GMT -5
Although Mags and Charles are both Cat. 5 mutants According to the movie they're only Cat 4's. Jean's the only Cat 5 on record -- although "Kevin McTaggart" appeared on Stryker's data files in X2; Proteus not a Cat 5...? (That's a fun scene to freeze-frame, btw.) I didn't have any complaints with this movie other than the length -- or lack thereof. Giving Halle more screen time was a necessary evil, in my mind, as Storm is supposed to be a leading role. Yeah, she chewed her way through a couple of scenes, but hey. I also agree that Sinister might be the best path for X4 to undo a lot of the damage done casualty-wise. That brings us dangerously close to "Days of Future Past" and/or Stryfe/Cable (of the two, I'd prefer the former), but I don't see much of an alternative unless they're going to stay dead (unlikely). The fact that they had a "Sentinel" in the Danger Room was curious, but I can't see them going forward with that storyline given the mutant glastnost vibe at the end of this one. Finally, the most amusing part of this movie for me was the scene where Wolverine wakes Jean up and they get passionate. All I could think of was the role where I first saw Famke Jannsen -- as Xenia Onatopp in the first Brosnan Bond film (Goldeneye). ;D |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on May 29, 2006 17:52:28 GMT -5
Nah, Sinister wouldn't threaten "Days of Future Past" at all. He doesn't really have much to do with the story.
Personally, I kinda hope they DON'T bring them back. After all, Jean's death at the end of X2 made me kinda misty...and they brought her back. The Cyclops death was so WTF that I didn't get a chance to really react until late in the movie, and they already his reset on Xavier...but Wolverine offing Jean jarred me again (I remember a scene from the trailer where he's telling her "We can make things how they were" so I was expecting the reset RIGHT THERE).
With Sinister, though, we could get the Marauders (sans Arclight, but bring back Sabretooth) and Gambit easily enough. Follow that up with Apocalypse and the Four Horsemen in X5...
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Post by Darth Turkish on May 29, 2006 20:14:06 GMT -5
Well, Chris, I was really referring to the comic versions of Mags and Prof X as opposed to the movie incarnations; both of them are pretty underpowered in comparison of the two mediums. Magneto was supposed to be the most powerful mutant, including Apocalypse, but excluding the Phoenix. In the comics, the "Plastic Prison" crap in X2 would never have held him, as he also has control over electromagnetic waves as well, and there was lighting in his cell. Iceman freezing his entire body was great. Juggernaut was awesomely played by Vinnie Jones. He was exactly what I wanted him to be portrayed like. Plus, I really like Vinnie Jones, so that was a double bonus. Rebecca Romijn sans her blue skin was a nice!  I am sure the "Cure" will prove to be temporary, and they will continue on thier merry way. X3 was good and fine addition to the series. |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on May 29, 2006 20:39:27 GMT -5
Rebecca Romijn sans her blue skin was a nice! I'm sure she enjoyed it too. |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on May 30, 2006 0:14:16 GMT -5
Well, Chris, I was really referring to the comic versions of Mags and Prof X as opposed to the movie incarnations; both of them are pretty underpowered in comparison of the two mediums. Magneto was supposed to be the most powerful mutant, including Apocalypse, but excluding the Phoenix. In the comics, the "Plastic Prison" crap in X2 would never have held him, as he also has control over electromagnetic waves as well, and there was lighting in his cell. Eh, there's been at LEAST half a dozen "most powerful mutants"...Xavier, Magneto, Cable, Apocalypse, Franklin Richards, Nate Grey...it's been thrown around so much it doesn't have any real meaning. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on May 30, 2006 2:33:17 GMT -5
Well, Chris, I was really referring to the comic versions of Mags and Prof X as opposed to the movie incarnations; both of them are pretty underpowered in comparison of the two mediums. Magneto was supposed to be the most powerful mutant, including Apocalypse, but excluding the Phoenix. In the comics, the "Plastic Prison" crap in X2 would never have held him, as he also has control over electromagnetic waves as well, and there was lighting in his cell. Eh, there's been at LEAST half a dozen "most powerful mutants"...Xavier, Magneto, Cable, Apocalypse, Franklin Richards, Nate Grey...it's been thrown around so much it doesn't have any real meaning. Totally forgot about Franklin Richards, but yeah you are right.  I have a soft spot for Magneto, so when I heard that I was ... offended... I guess.  |
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Post by bmurderh8s on May 31, 2006 8:54:29 GMT -5
I think it would be cool to see a possible 4 installment loosely based on the Days of Future Past story arch. It would be a great way to introduce the sentinals and other characters such as Cable.
Other then that Id like to see Apocolypse and the Four Horsemen.
Sony would be foolish to end the franchise with X3. They at least owe us a fourth movie.:-)
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on May 31, 2006 9:43:54 GMT -5
Sony would be foolish to end the franchise with X3. They at least owe us a fourth movie.:-) Sony doesn't produce the X-men movies; Fox does. Sony produces the Spider-Man movies. |
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Post by bmurderh8s on May 31, 2006 9:52:08 GMT -5
ooops. Got em mixed up. thanks for the correction. heh heh.
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Post by gwffantrav on May 31, 2006 15:30:09 GMT -5
Nah, Sinister wouldn't threaten "Days of Future Past" at all. He doesn't really have much to do with the story. Personally, I kinda hope they DON'T bring them back. After all, Jean's death at the end of X2 made me kinda misty...and they brought her back. The Cyclops death was so WTF that I didn't get a chance to really react until late in the movie, and they already his reset on Xavier...but Wolverine offing Jean jarred me again (I remember a scene from the trailer where he's telling her "We can make things how they were" so I was expecting the reset RIGHT THERE). With Sinister, though, we could get the Marauders (sans Arclight, but bring back Sabretooth) and Gambit easily enough. Follow that up with Apocalypse and the Four Horsemen in X5... Love some of the ideas Tommy. How bout this in X4: Rogue goes to Louisiana to kinda find herself and meets up with Gambit. Sinister could be "behind the scenes" plotting them meeting up due to him wanting to get into the X-family with his obsession with the Summers/Grey DNA. Definitely would like to see them fight the Marauders in X4 Angle becomes part of the team, but starts toward the dark trend towards the end of the movie. Thus, we see Apocalypse at the end, starting to build his Four Horsemen army...him being behind Sinister, etc. X5 could be the X-Men fighting against Apocalypse and his four Horsemen who knows, but this could be a 6 parter easy. Part six with the Sentinels. |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on May 31, 2006 19:31:38 GMT -5
Well, play Angel right in 4, and you could have the Marauders cripple his wings by the end and him "kill himself", setting up his return as a Horseman in 5.
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Post by gwffantrav on May 31, 2006 19:38:37 GMT -5
I hope you are right Tommy...would be an awesome story
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Post by thefamoustommyz on May 31, 2006 22:15:14 GMT -5
If they need someone to turn in a draft of the script, I'd be happy to...=) I can make it a trilogy covering Sinister and Apocalypse, that's no big...=)
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Jun 1, 2006 9:45:14 GMT -5
who knows, but this could be a 6 parter easy. Part six with the Sentinels. That's the best -- and most dangerous -- thing about this new wave of "comic book movies done right": there is a ton of source material out there to inspire new movies, with more being written every month. Movie-makers on these projects have to walk a fine line between catering to the loyal fans and not alienating the more mainstream movie-goers. Then again, for every above-decent story line, there are probably an equal number of duds. I don't think any long-time X-men fans are clamoring to see the Shi'ar storyline on the big screen, for example. |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jun 1, 2006 11:27:58 GMT -5
The key with a lot of these storylines is to boil them down to their basic elements and run with that. The Phoenix storyline wasn't anything near a reproduction of the comic storyline...because that would have had the whole non-comic audience going "WTF?!?!" They got the basic elements...The Phoenix is uber-powerful, isn't really the Jean we know, and has a dark side and ran with that.
The same can be done with Sinister and the Marauders and Apocalypse and The Horsemen.
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Post by Werner Mueck on Jun 3, 2006 21:12:18 GMT -5
Just came back from the show so I can finally take part in this thread. I agree with the Jean thing, when Magneto said "where is she" I assumed he knew it was her Callisto mentioned (Did he know she died in the first place). As for it being Leech, would Callisto's power work on Leech, even from far away (meaning does he have a psychic field that only effects those in close proximity or would it also effect powers that work from a distance)? Also, I'm kind of bugged that I knew who Arclight was supposed to be but I didn't know Calisto, that would have made the fight between her and Storm mean more to me. Another thing I noticed, was that Toad on the ceiling during the morlocky "humans suck" rally where Magneto recruited his pawns.
They had Colossus and Juggernaut but no Juggernaut vs. Colossus. How Kitty put Juggernaut down was cool. Kind of expected them to do something with the Prof X "step brother" story since they cast British Vinnie Jones but I don't think the movie characters were supposed to be related. Also, as far as I know, Juggs isn't a mutant so technically he wouldn't have fit in the "rebellion" but that's just me being a smarta**. Both bits can be written off as "what's good for the books isn't always good for the movie". Thought Grammar was great and loved Beast's fighting style in the end. Had a Blanka feel to it.
I really liked the Madrox decoy in the forest. R. Lee Ermey's voice was in there but he wasn't. Chris Claremont and Stan Lee cameos were neat (always good seeing "The Man"). As for Rogue, Mystique and Magneto being powerless, looks like the serum wears off. If so, Rogue's liable to be pretty disappointed and Mystique might be in a whole heck of a lot of trouble. I also liked the fact that Magneto abandoned Mystique but was upset (even if it only showed a moment) when Prof X "died", he even defended Xavier's honor later in the movie. Show's who he wishes his friends were. Thanks to Ringsyde for the heads up on the ending in his post last week. That bit along with the quick cut after Magneto made the chess piece wiggle gave me hope for X4. I'm thinking Ratner's at home right now dancing in his underpants. I'm for Apocalypse coming in and taking over and the Sentinels being deployed to stop him with the X-Men and Brotherhood caught in the middle next movie.
That's just a string of mad ramblings fresh from the theater.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jun 4, 2006 6:19:17 GMT -5
Juggs was made to be mutant for the purposes of the movie. Notice when Pyro mentioned his powers, invulnerability and super strenght were not mentioned, although his strength was shown a bit. I too was saddened by the lack of Colossus v Juggy.
I would say that Callisto could recognise a person who had abilities, but Leech's abilities would disrupt direct location or exact powers/ power level.
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