Powerslam Top 50 wrestlers of 2007

[Joe]

fordis said:

'Especially ranking John Cena at #29. Until getting hurt, Cena was the WWE Champion for the entire year and he had lots of awesome matches this year including his victories over Umaga at the Royal Rumble, over Shawn Michaels at both Wrestlemania 23 and also subsequently on RAW, over Bobby Lashley at the Great American Bash, and over Randy Orton at Summer Slam. So by ranking John Cena at #29, that list has no credibility in my eyes at all.'

The Top 50 is not solely drawn up based on a wrestler's success - it is mainly based on a wrestler's ability to consistently put out arena busting matches. And, I'm sorry - but any good matches Cena has had, he's been carried by his opponents.

Even then his matches haven't been classics. Every time he throws one of those TERRIBLE looking punches, or makes someone tap out with the most un-painful looking submission move in history, the STFU, it's a slap in the face to wrestling fans who like their action believable.

For intense, arena popping wrestling matches, watch Kurt Angle.

"Arena-popping wrestling matches?"

First of all, this is impossible for Angle to do, seeing as how all but two of his matches in 2007 took place at a soundstage in Orlando.

Cena was carried to all of his good matches, and even then-they weren't "arena-popping?"

First of all, the noise that a crowd carries through an entire John Cena match is the very definition of a crowd pop, albeit an unusually long one.

Secondly, are you really suggesting that Umaga and Khali carried Cena to good matches, or in Umaga's case a great one?

I have found Umaga to be entertaining since he came back on the scene, but to suggest that Umaga, Khali and Randy Orton all carried Cena to the best matches of their own respective careers is ridiculous.

[Knapik]

fordis said:

'Especially ranking John Cena at #29. Until getting hurt, Cena was the WWE Champion for the entire year and he had lots of awesome matches this year including his victories over Umaga at the Royal Rumble, over Shawn Michaels at both Wrestlemania 23 and also subsequently on RAW, over Bobby Lashley at the Great American Bash, and over Randy Orton at Summer Slam. So by ranking John Cena at #29, that list has no credibility in my eyes at all.'

The Top 50 is not solely drawn up based on a wrestler's success - it is mainly based on a wrestler's ability to consistently put out arena busting matches. And, I'm sorry - but any good matches Cena has had, he's been carried by his opponents.

Even then his matches haven't been classics. Every time he throws one of those TERRIBLE looking punches, or makes someone tap out with the most un-painful looking submission move in history, the STFU, it's a slap in the face to wrestling fans who like their action believable.

For intense, arena popping wrestling matches, watch Kurt Angle.

I'm sorry, but this is the stupidest thing I have ever, ever read.

[dukedave]

knapik said:

fordis said:

'Especially ranking John Cena at #29. Until getting hurt, Cena was the WWE Champion for the entire year and he had lots of awesome matches this year including his victories over Umaga at the Royal Rumble, over Shawn Michaels at both Wrestlemania 23 and also subsequently on RAW, over Bobby Lashley at the Great American Bash, and over Randy Orton at Summer Slam. So by ranking John Cena at #29, that list has no credibility in my eyes at all.'

The Top 50 is not solely drawn up based on a wrestler's success - it is mainly based on a wrestler's ability to consistently put out arena busting matches. And, I'm sorry - but any good matches Cena has had, he's been carried by his opponents.

Even then his matches haven't been classics. Every time he throws one of those TERRIBLE looking punches, or makes someone tap out with the most un-painful looking submission move in history, the STFU, it's a slap in the face to wrestling fans who like their action believable.

For intense, arena popping wrestling matches, watch Kurt Angle.

I'm sorry, but this is the stupidest thing I have ever, ever read.

Man, didn't you ever read any of josharpie's posts? Or half of the posts after the fake spoilers fiasco? Or any of Hegemony's posts that you are able to complete before going "Damn this is long" and moving on to the next one?

[bigeasy]

This is the worst list ever.











Where the hell is Kevin Nash?

[Aquinas]

bigeasy said:

This is the worst list ever.











Where the hell is Kevin Nash?

I think, at some point, when someone is SO MUCH better than everyone else on the planet, they transcend a mere list. It would be insulting to Kevin Nash to even put him #1 on a list of mortals.

[Chris Ingersoll]

fordis said:

STFU

Did anyone else notice that, on the Smackdown "WWE's Best Matches of 2007" episode, they repeatedly muted the U whenever JR or Lawler mentioned this move's name? I'm pretty sure "F-U" went through without a problem, but this was always "STF(silence)".

[bigeasy]

aquinas said:

I think, at some point, when someone is SO MUCH better than everyone else on the planet, they transcend a mere list. It would be insulting to Kevin Nash to even put him #1 on a list of mortals.

I didn't even think of this... Of course, it makes so much sense now! Thank you Aquinas!

[Mark 138]

kevin Nash is the only man who can get out of the blow-off match in a feud, and avoid doing the payoff job, by saying he hurt his back moving his son's toybox (which he says he had forgotten that he stored weights in), and get away with it.

Kevin Nash is above mere lists. He simply "IS".

[stephenvegas]

knapik said:

fordis said:

'Especially ranking John Cena at #29. Until getting hurt, Cena was the WWE Champion for the entire year and he had lots of awesome matches this year including his victories over Umaga at the Royal Rumble, over Shawn Michaels at both Wrestlemania 23 and also subsequently on RAW, over Bobby Lashley at the Great American Bash, and over Randy Orton at Summer Slam. So by ranking John Cena at #29, that list has no credibility in my eyes at all.'

The Top 50 is not solely drawn up based on a wrestler's success - it is mainly based on a wrestler's ability to consistently put out arena busting matches. And, I'm sorry - but any good matches Cena has had, he's been carried by his opponents.

Even then his matches haven't been classics. Every time he throws one of those TERRIBLE looking punches, or makes someone tap out with the most un-painful looking submission move in history, the STFU, it's a slap in the face to wrestling fans who like their action believable.

For intense, arena popping wrestling matches, watch Kurt Angle.

I'm sorry, but this is the stupidest thing I have ever, ever read.

I agree with Knapik. That post by Fordis was unbelievably stupid. So I am thinking he/she's just trying to be funny.

[smathis]

I'm not into calling people stupid (as others on this board might have guessed). But I have to disagree with you Fordis. Cena is a solid worker. Not taking anything away from Angle.

But it's hard not to take your statement as being inflammatory for the sake of being inflammatory.

Just the Cena-Michaels match on Raw is enough to disprove your statements. Not to mention other matches Cena has had over the past couple of years.

I hope you were joking because that's hardly a reasonable position to take.

[fordis]

joe said:

fordis said:

'Especially ranking John Cena at #29. Until getting hurt, Cena was the WWE Champion for the entire year and he had lots of awesome matches this year including his victories over Umaga at the Royal Rumble, over Shawn Michaels at both Wrestlemania 23 and also subsequently on RAW, over Bobby Lashley at the Great American Bash, and over Randy Orton at Summer Slam. So by ranking John Cena at #29, that list has no credibility in my eyes at all.'

The Top 50 is not solely drawn up based on a wrestler's success - it is mainly based on a wrestler's ability to consistently put out arena busting matches. And, I'm sorry - but any good matches Cena has had, he's been carried by his opponents.

Even then his matches haven't been classics. Every time he throws one of those TERRIBLE looking punches, or makes someone tap out with the most un-painful looking submission move in history, the STFU, it's a slap in the face to wrestling fans who like their action believable.

For intense, arena popping wrestling matches, watch Kurt Angle.

"Arena-popping wrestling matches?"

First of all, this is impossible for Angle to do, seeing as how all but two of his matches in 2007 took place at a soundstage in Orlando.

Cena was carried to all of his good matches, and even then-they weren't "arena-popping?"

First of all, the noise that a crowd carries through an entire John Cena match is the very definition of a crowd pop, albeit an unusually long one.

Secondly, are you really suggesting that Umaga and Khali carried Cena to good matches, or in Umaga's case a great one?

I have found Umaga to be entertaining since he came back on the scene, but to suggest that Umaga, Khali and Randy Orton all carried Cena to the best matches of their own respective careers is ridiculous.

OK maybe I was unclear.

Some of you guys seem to think the Top 50 is based on card positioning and success. IT'S NOT.

The plain simple fact is that John Cena's wrestling is complete w*nk so, however popular (mainly with children I might add) and successful this man may be, until he can carry off a decent match without being led by the hand he'll never grace the top 10.

I never said that Randy Orton, Umaga or Khali carried Cena to the best matches of their careers - just that they carried him in their matches. I don't think Khali's match with Cena was good at all.

And by arena popping I didn't mean the crowd reaction (which, to Cena, is still mainly made up of boos, even though he's been rammed down our throats as a good guy for the last 4 years), I mean fantastic wrestling matches.

I challenge any blind Cena fan on this forum to defend the STFU.

[dukedave]

fordis said:

Some of you guys seem to think the Top 50 is based on card positioning and success. IT'S NOT.

The plain simple fact is that John Cena's wrestling is complete w*nk so, however popular (mainly with children I might add) and successful this man may be, until he can carry off a decent match without being led by the hand he'll never grace the top 10.

[Joe]

fordis said:

joe said:

"Arena-popping wrestling matches?"

First of all, this is impossible for Angle to do, seeing as how all but two of his matches in 2007 took place at a soundstage in Orlando.

Cena was carried to all of his good matches, and even then-they weren't "arena-popping?"

First of all, the noise that a crowd carries through an entire John Cena match is the very definition of a crowd pop, albeit an unusually long one.

Secondly, are you really suggesting that Umaga and Khali carried Cena to good matches, or in Umaga's case a great one?

I have found Umaga to be entertaining since he came back on the scene, but to suggest that Umaga, Khali and Randy Orton all carried Cena to the best matches of their own respective careers is ridiculous.

OK maybe I was unclear.

Some of you guys seem to think the Top 50 is based on card positioning and success. IT'S NOT.

The plain simple fact is that John Cena's wrestling is complete w*nk so, however popular (mainly with children I might add) and successful this man may be, until he can carry off a decent match without being led by the hand he'll never grace the top 10.

I never said that Randy Orton, Umaga or Khali carried Cena to the best matches of their careers - just that they carried him in their matches. I don't think Khali's match with Cena was good at all.

And by arena popping I didn't mean the crowd reaction (which, to Cena, is still mainly made up of boos, even though he's been rammed down our throats as a good guy for the last 4 years), I mean fantastic wrestling matches.

I challenge any blind Cena fan on this forum to defend the STFU.

I am assuming that we have been lucky enough to be graced by an editor of the esteemed Powerslam magazine.

Thanks for coming!

Now on to my defense of Cena's STFU: The idea that a 6'2", 250 pound athlete applying such a move would indeed do damage to his opponent doesn't require any more imagination than ignoring the fact that people always run when whipped into the ropes or always go halfway across the ring when on the business end of a monkey flip.

Wrestling requires the suspension of disbelief, and John Cena's STFU is pretty far down the list of things that are too unbelievable to be legit.

For argument's sake, though, I'll try. Larger people almost always look awkward applying submission holds.

The Rock, who was good at everything, always looked slightly off when he locked in the sharpshooter, due almost entirely to the fact that he was 6'5".

Sting, about 6'3", always looked better locking on the Scorpion against somebody like Lex Luger as opposed to someone like Arn Anderson. Why? Luger was 6'4" or better while Double A looked to be about 5'10".

On to the stupid part of your post. You said you're not saying Umaga, Orton or Khali carried Cena to the best match of their careers, just that they carried him in the matches they had with him.

It is pretty much unanimously accepted that Umaga's and Khali's best matches have been against Cena. Therefore, by default, you are saying they carried him to the best matches of their careers. Using logic, it would make little sense to suggest that Cena, who has had several better matches than with those two listed, was carried by two guys who have never looked as good as when in the ring with the Champ.

Orton's case is slightly more arguable, but I, along with others, would rate his SummerSlam match with Cena among the best in his career, and probably his best of 2007.

Again, a guy who has been in the ring with Triple H, RVD, Shawn Michaels and Chris Benoit having arguably a better match against John Cena, a no-talent bum to hear you tell it, makes no sense unless you factor in Cena's ability to have a great match with just about anyone.

Out of curiosity, did you ever see Hogan or Rock have any "arena-popping" matches?

[JED-SE]

fordis said:

OK maybe I was unclear.

Some of you guys seem to think the Top 50 is based on card positioning and success. IT'S NOT.

The plain simple fact is that John Cena's wrestling is complete w*nk so, however popular (mainly with children I might add) and successful this man may be, until he can carry off a decent match without being led by the hand he'll never grace the top 10.

I never said that Randy Orton, Umaga or Khali carried Cena to the best matches of their careers - just that they carried him in their matches. I don't think Khali's match with Cena was good at all.

And by arena popping I didn't mean the crowd reaction (which, to Cena, is still mainly made up of boos, even though he's been rammed down our throats as a good guy for the last 4 years), I mean fantastic wrestling matches.

I challenge any blind Cena fan on this forum to defend the STFU.

Dude, if you don't like Cena, you're entitled to your opinion. If you don't like his style, again, you're entitled to your opinion. I am too an Angle fan. However saying that John Cena was carried by Kahli is just absurd. You might have a decent argument with Orton, Umaga is pushing it, but you have no argument whatsoever with Kahli.

Also I will admit, I am a huge Cena mark. The way the STFU is applied, like most submission holds in professional wrestling, may not be realistic. However, putting that kind of pressure and weight on the quadricep of the leg he bends in one direction and pulling up by his chin in the other would hurt. I'll admit, I like the way Regal applies it better, but that doesn't mean it's not going to hurt if it's applied by the way Cena does it.

If you combine that with the fact (as Joe mentioned) that you have a guy as big as Cena applying it, makes it that much more believable that someone would tap out.

[dukedave]

joe said:

I am assuming that we have been lucky enough to be graced by an editor of the esteemed Powerslam magazine.

Didn't think of that. I guess Bazzy must've informed them that we think they're retarded/blind/corrupt.

[Mark 138]

fordis said:

I never said that Randy Orton, Umaga or Khali carried Cena to the best matches of their careers - just that they carried him in their matches. I don't think Khali's match with Cena was good at all.


I challenge any blind Cena fan on this forum to defend the STFU.

I really didn't want to do this. I don't like Cena from a pure wrestling standpoint. I wouldn't rate his work in the ring in even the top 10 in the WWe, but his popularity and marketibility in a money-driven business speak volumes. Simply, the guy is money right now and the WWe would be foolish not to ride that gravy train as far as it will take them.

If I am reading that John Cena is not a good technical wrestler, I agree completely. If you are basing your criteria upon simple ring-work, I can imagine Cena not placing too highly. He is far better than he used to be, but still not among the elite in the ring.

However......
The insinuation that Khali "carried" anyone to a good match tears all credibility you may have had with me. This is a guy Undertaker said was the worst he ever had to deal with (and he was in a feud with Giant Gonzalez at one point!). Carrying an opponent means that the guy is calling all of the action in the ring, being the ring general, selling at the right time, playing to his opponent's strengths while hiding his weaknesses. Can you honestly tell me a man who can't figure out the nuances of the overhead chop can do that?

True credit to the road agents, or whatever McMahon is calling them these days,( vets like Micheal Hayes, Ted DiBiase, Arn Anderson, ect) who helps Cena and stiffs like Khali by basically laying out the matches using all of the principles described above.

[Knapik]

What a sh*tty 'tard list this is.

[Swarm]

fordis said:

The Top 50 is not solely drawn up based on a wrestler's success - it is mainly based on a wrestler's ability to consistently put out arena busting matches. And, I'm sorry - but any good matches Cena has had, he's been carried by his opponents.

For intense, arena popping wrestling matches, watch Kurt Angle.

[Knapik]

i dont know who won this year, but in '05 and '06 Powerslam magazine named TNA it's top promotion in the world. Swarm's post sums things up nicely.

[dukedave]

Ah, the power of this board. Here's a google search for Powerslam magazine retarded

www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7RNWE&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=powerslam+magazine+retarded&spell=1

Note - You need to cut and past the link

Also note that about five or six links down is another thread from another board about how retarded this list is.