Powerslam Top 50 wrestlers of 2007

[dukedave]

smathis said:

bazzy said:

So what really are you upset about that the WWE wasn't all the Top 50 ? .

Pretty much.

I can speak for myself, Spanky.

I'm far from a WWE fanboy. I argue my dislike of Cena all over this board but to put him at 29th is "retarded". I hate the guy and I know that. Knapik loves his ROH and he knows that too.

Bazzy is getting his panties in a bunch because people think the magazine's rankings are dumb. He didn't make the rankings, why is he getting so upset. The rankings are ridiculous. When you just compare the WWE wrestlers (see Joe's post), the rankings make no sense.

No matter what system you use, there is no way 8 TNA wrestlers (10 if you count Aries and Strong, don't know where they are now) should qualify. If you are using pure in ring ability, there would be ROH and Japanese guys all over. If you were looking at drawing power there would be a lot of WWE wrestlers. If you are looking at the total package, it would still be mostly WWE guys but more of a balance. No matter what method you use, TNA does not have 8 guys worthy of being in the top 50.

Oh, and Bazzy..

bazzy said:

I only put the list up to see what people would think.

Then why are you upset when people tell you what they think. Is everyone supposed to come on and say how great they are like a bunch of robots?

[rawhide]

dukedave said:

smathis said:

Pretty much.

I can speak for myself, Spanky.

I'm far from a WWE fanboy. I argue my dislike of Cena all over this board but to put him at 29th is "retarded". I hate the guy and I know that. Knapik loves his ROH and he knows that too.

Bazzy is getting his panties in a bunch because people think the magazine's rankings are dumb. He didn't make the rankings, why is he getting so upset. The rankings are ridiculous. When you just compare the WWE wrestlers (see Joe's post), the rankings make no sense.

No matter what system you use, there is no way 8 TNA wrestlers (10 if you count Aries and Strong, don't know where they are now) should qualify. If you are using pure in ring ability, there would be ROH and Japanese guys all over. If you were looking at drawing power there would be a lot of WWE wrestlers. If you are looking at the total package, it would still be mostly WWE guys but more of a balance. No matter what method you use, TNA does not have 8 guys worthy of being in the top 50.

Oh, and Bazzy..

bazzy said:

I only put the list up to see what people would think.

Then why are you upset when people tell you what they think. Is everyone supposed to come on and say how great they are like a bunch of robots?

from all appearances it seems that way..

[smathis]

dukedave said:

smathis said:

Pretty much.

I can speak for myself, Spanky.

I'm far from a WWE fanboy. I argue my dislike of Cena all over this board but to put him at 29th is "retarded". I hate the guy and I know that. Knapik loves his ROH and he knows that too.

Why you can't see how calling something or someone "retarded" would invite defensiveness is shameful. If you don't agree with the Top 50, then say so. But try to do so with some manner of dignity, decorum and class befitting a human being.

Anything less degrades your argument.

I disagree with the Powerslam Top 50. I stated as much in my post. Yet I did so without calling anyone dumb, stupid, retarded or resorting to personal attacks.

The awe must be mind-numbing.

Furthermore, who said I was talking for you? I never said I was talking for you. If you have a problem with me "talking for you", perhaps you should find a post where I said I was talking for you.

I fully expect Payback, Swarm and Knapik to back me up on this or suffer the hellfire of hypocrisy on the topic.

And, for the record, my name isn't Spanky.

It's Brian Kendrick.

[dukedave]

smathis said:

Furthermore, who said I was talking for you? I never said I was talking for you. If you have a problem with me "talking for you", perhaps you should find a post where I said I was talking for you.

Bazzy asked me if I was upset that the list wasn't 50 WWE guys?

You replied "Pretty much." What would that smart a$$ reply constitute then? This is two threads you've decided to jump in at the last second to get on your moral high horse. Save the sermons for church.

I Bazzy posts this list as his opinion, they are his opinions and while I may disagree, he's entitled to them. This is a list of a wrestling magazine who appears to have just drawn names at random out of a hat. They are supposed experts, they should at least make some sense with their rankings.

[smathis]

dukedave said:

Bazzy asked me if I was upset that the list wasn't 50 WWE guys?

You replied "Pretty much." What would that smart a$$ reply constitute then? This is two threads you've decided to jump in at the last second to get on your moral high horse. Save the sermons for church.

It constitutes the very strong opinion I have that if the rankings had put Samoa Joe at #50 and the entire WWE roster from 1-49 with Umaga at #2 and John Cena at #1, Bazzy would have had a much easier time of it.

I'll save the sermons for church if you'll save the personal attacks for Bible study.

[dukedave]

smathis said:

dukedave said:

Bazzy asked me if I was upset that the list wasn't 50 WWE guys?

You replied "Pretty much." What would that smart a$$ reply constitute then? This is two threads you've decided to jump in at the last second to get on your moral high horse. Save the sermons for church.

It constitutes the very strong opinion I have that if the rankings had put Samoa Joe at #50 and the entire WWE roster from 1-49 with Umaga at #2 and John Cena at #1, Bazzy would have had a much easier time of it.

I'll save the sermons for church if you'll save the personal attacks for Bible study.

If by personal attacks, you mean that you work for Powerslam magazine, then I'm sorry I called you retarded, blind, and corrupt. Otherwise, I have no clue what you're talking about.

[smathis]

Calling me "Spanky" for one was not amusing.

And both the "smart a$$ reply" and "moral high horse" statements did not characterize me in a favorable light.

Neither of those were directed at Powerslam magazine.

Please have a clue in the future.

Thanks.

[dukedave]

smathis said:

Calling me "Spanky" for one was not amusing.

And both the "smart a$$ reply" and "moral high horse" statements did not characterize me in a favorable light.

Neither of those were directed at Powerslam magazine.

Please have a clue in the future.

Thanks.

1. Spanky is just a word used with my friends kind of like dude, pal, etc.

2. Smart a$$ reply was what your reply was and wasn't a personal attack but a matter of fact. You made the comment to be a smart a$$, fess up.

3. You are taking a moral high ground about the big bad internet meanies. How is that a personal attack??

If you are offended by those comments then my only advice to you is something I've said in the past (which Knapik used yesterday), grow a set (You may consider that a personal attack if you'd like). The warm and fuzzy communist Deuce is gone. If you can't take some banter back and forth you're in the wrong place.

Please grow a set in the future.

Thanks.

[smathis]

So, in your terms, "keeping your mouth shut and letting people talk trash about you and everyone else" == "having a set"?

"Standing up for yourself against personal attacks, belittlements and groupthink" == "not having a set"

Sorry, I'm not with the brownshirts on this one. Here's hoping one day you reap what you sow.

And what you're doing, Havoc, is not banter. It's not even close. Banter contains wit. It's the sort of thing that keeps conversations lively and dynamic. What you're calling banter is wit at other people's expense.

Example, calling the Deuce "communist". That's an easy target for your friends. And will probably make them laugh. But what about the people who used to go to the Deuce? You've just asserted that they are all communists. How would that make a Korean War or Vietnam War vet feel? Men who put their lives on the line to FIGHT communists?

See that's not banter. My "Brian Kendrick" comment? THAT was banter. Humor at the expense of no one. It's possible.

[dukedave]

smathis said:

Example, calling the Deuce "communist". That's an easy target for your friends. And will probably make them laugh. But what about the people who used to go to the Deuce? You've just asserted that they are all communists. How would that make a Korean War or Vietnam War vet feel? Men who put their lives on the line to FIGHT communists?

I was a member there. Oh, my goodness, I'm gonna break down. I've just hurt my own feelings

Another example of where you are completely clueless. The board was the equivalent of a Communist message board. If they didn't like what you posted they would delete parts of it or the whole entire post. I know. I was there, it happened to me. They were not profane in any way. All were tamer than any post of mine in this thread. It was ridiculous. I had more edits and deleted posts there than I've had my whole time here. I've only had two posts edited for content and one deleted (Hegemony had it coming ;D) but it happened 5-10 times in 2-3 months there.

There are a few good guys who were over there, one who came back and I PM with regularly, one I was able to coax out of retirement ( ;D ;D) and another I'm unable to persuade to return. If they take offense to the Deuce being referred to as Communist I'll retract and apologize.

BTW - Growing a set means to stop crying about everything. Life's to short to whine and moan all day. I'm here to have fun. Sometimes comedy pushes the edge like George Carlin or Eddie Murphy. Most comedy is that way.

[stephenvegas]

dukedave said:

So, is the staff of "Powerslam" retarded, blind, or both?

Hey Smathis,

This was Havoc's initial post in this thread repsonding to that list. It was about "the STAFF at Powerslam" and not Bazzy because Bazzy doesn't work for Powerslam. Bazzy works in a supermarket. So no personal attack there at all.

And I agree that Powerslam's list has got to be one of the worst wrestling lists I have ever seen. Especially ranking John Cena at #29. Until getting hurt, Cena was the WWE Champion for the entire year and he had lots of awesome matches this year including his victories over Umaga at the Royal Rumble, over Shawn Michaels at both Wrestlemania 23 and also subsequently on RAW, over Bobby Lashley at the Great American Bash, and over Randy Orton at Summer Slam. So by ranking John Cena at #29, that list has no credibility in my eyes at all.

[smathis]

dukedave said:

BTW - Growing a set means to stop crying about everything. Life's to short to whine and moan all day. I'm here to have fun. Sometimes comedy pushes the edge like George Carlin or Eddie Murphy. Most comedy is that way.

If you were as funny as George Carlin or Eddie Murphy, then you'd never hear a peep out of me.

Maybe you should brush up on your material.

I, generally, try to stay away from polishing jokes on an internet forum because I found out over the years that I'm not as funny to other people as I think I am.

You'll get a lot more mileage with a crowd you don't know (a.k.a. the Internet) by using self-deprecating humor or extending your exaggerations further into the absurd. Poking holes at a common straw-man is just a bunch of rah-rah. It's not funny.

It's like getting up in front of a bunch of NCOs and saying Saddam sucks. The NCOs aren't laughing. They may cheer you. But it's not laughter. And it doesn't really address anything.

As a hypothetical, calling a magazine or a list retarded isn't altogether funny...

But you could have gone a number of different ways to reach the same point, have been funnier and even have hauled in a few people who otherwise might have disagreed with you.

I'm not thinking that anything I'm posting is getting through in any way shape or form. But that's what it is.

I'm off this thread.

Hopefully, future conversations will turn out better.

[Joe]

How is stating an opinion about a wrestler, a wrestling promotion or a wrestling magazine a personal attack on a member of this board?

I don't know how long Smathis has been around the COTG community, but he picked the wrong bandwagon to jump on with his Bazzy-defense comments.

I have been familiar with Bazzy for damn near twenty years. He bitches, moans and complains. That is what he does.

The first comments I ever read of Bazzy's were in the old Super Report. He took time out of his Promoter Spotlight section to complain about how certian members of the club would not respond when he would send them letters and updates about his fed. That was in 1989, I think.

Bazzy seems like an all right guy, he's just overly-sensitive. No one said anything in this thread that was bashing him, he just took it that way.

[smathis]

Sorry, Joe, you brought me out of hibernation on this one.

joe said:

Bazzy seems like an all right guy, he's just overly-sensitive. No one said anything in this thread that was bashing him, he just took it that way.

My initial post was a thanks to Bazzy for posting the Powerslam Top 50. Not because I agreed with it but because it introduced me to new names I thought I might check out down the road.

Havoc took my "Pretty much" snark as directed at him (which it wasn't as I've explained) and ran with it. I've been defending myself pretty much since then.

I don't think there's much cause in this world for calling perfect strangers smart a$$es, retards and communists and such. (That's a general comment not aimed at Havoc).

That's not being overly sensitive. That's just being respectful. So now I'm on a moral high horse, giving sermons and generally a pill. But I'll take that if I can raise the discourse on this forum up a notch or two.

And, for the record, almost every loved one I have in this world will readily tell you I'm going straight to hell. It's a sad fact but it's true.

Some things don't wash off of a man's soul.

So the idea that I'm the one giving out the sermons on the forum should be sobering.

[Joe]

smathis said:

Sorry, Joe, you brought me out of hibernation on this one.

joe said:

Bazzy seems like an all right guy, he's just overly-sensitive. No one said anything in this thread that was bashing him, he just took it that way.

My initial post was a thanks to Bazzy for posting the Powerslam Top 50. Not because I agreed with it but because it introduced me to new names I thought I might check out down the road.

Havoc took my "Pretty much" snark as directed at him (which it wasn't as I've explained) and ran with it. I've been defending myself pretty much since then.

I don't think there's much cause in this world for calling perfect strangers smart a$$es, retards and communists and such. (That's a general comment not aimed at Havoc).

That's not being overly sensitive. That's just being respectful. So now I'm on a moral high horse, giving sermons and generally a pill. But I'll take that if I can raise the discourse on this forum up a notch or two.

And, for the record, almost every loved one I have in this world will readily tell you I'm going straight to hell. It's a sad fact but it's true.

Some things don't wash off of a man's soul.

So the idea that I'm the one giving out the sermons on the forum should be sobering.

I'm happy any time anyone posts a list of rankings. Bazzy even said he posted it see reactions of others on the board. He then said he will no longer post these sorts of things (which is an out-and-out lie, because he has been saying that for years, too) because people "slaughtered" him for it.

So, you don't like calling someone's opinion stupid, and that's fine.

If you could, though, throw me another term to use when describing one's wrestling's knowledge when that person makes a list of top wrestlers in the business and puts John Cena number eight in his own promotion for 2008?

[dukedave]

smathis said:

dukedave said:

BTW - Growing a set means to stop crying about everything. Life's to short to whine and moan all day. I'm here to have fun. Sometimes comedy pushes the edge like George Carlin or Eddie Murphy. Most comedy is that way.

If you were as funny as George Carlin or Eddie Murphy, then you'd never hear a peep out of me.

Maybe you should brush up on your material.

I'm still reading to see where I say I was funny as Carlin or Murphy. I said that comedy often pushes to the edge like them. I can hardly think of one good comic, maybe Cosby, that didn't push the envelope. Most good comedy is at someone else's expense.

My material needs no brush up. I'm a comic genius. ;D You want proof ask Payback. Oh, wait, bad example. You want proof ask Neily. Damn, another bad example. Actually while they may not like the fun I've had at their expense, I don't think they hate me. Well, not neily, anyway. josharpie, now that's another story entirely. Want some good comic relief search josharpie and Cardinals suck. That was just comedy gold of board wide proportions.

You'll get a lot more mileage with a crowd you don't know (a.k.a. the Internet) by using self-deprecating humor or extending your exaggerations further into the absurd.

You really must not be familiar with things around here. Another search for you - go back 6-8 months ago and search "Havoc" and "you just made the list, buddy." This was one that a lot of people had fun with and enjoyed immensely. And you know what 90-95% of the fun was at my expense and encouraged by me. Again, comedy gold.

I've allowed more shots at me than anyone on this board and never had a problem with them (well, there was that man/man love angle)

[Hyde]

stephenvegas said:

And I agree that Powerslam's list has got to be one of the worst wrestling lists I have ever seen. Especially ranking John Cena at #29. Until getting hurt, Cena was the WWE Champion for the entire year and he had lots of awesome matches this year including his victories over Umaga at the Royal Rumble, over Shawn Michaels at both Wrestlemania 23 and also subsequently on RAW, over Bobby Lashley at the Great American Bash, and over Randy Orton at Summer Slam...

Just to add in here, I also think his falls count anywhere match with Khali was maybe Khali's best match that I have seen in his entire WWE career. I found that one to be very enjoyable performances from both men.

[gamemaster]

Its good to see that we all still get along during the Holidays. Merry Christmas boys!

[JED-SE]

dukedave said:

I can hardly think of one good comic, maybe Cosby, that didn't push the envelope. Most good comedy is at someone else's expense.

There's one more person other than Cosby that you're forgetting...














No, not Kevin Nash!

Jerry Seinfeld!!!

"I mean, wha-at is u-up with this THREAD??!!!"

[dukedave]

jdiamond said:

dukedave said:

I can hardly think of one good comic, maybe Cosby, that didn't push the envelope. Most good comedy is at someone else's expense.

There's one more person other than Cosby that you're forgetting...














No, not Kevin Nash!

Jerry Seinfeld!!!

"I mean, wha-at is u-up with this THREAD??!!!"

I considered putting him in there but while he is not profane, he does makes jokes at other peoples expense and so that is why I did not include him.

BTW - I just realized that this list is even more retarded in its exclusion of Kevin Nash.