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Post by BDS on Oct 27, 2006 12:26:04 GMT -5
You can bring Federline in for publicity, and that's all fine and dandy. But you can do it without putting him in a program with your champion, without putting him on four segments of the show, and without doing it two weeks in a row. It makes sense story-wise, people liked seeing Federline get slammed (as a matter of fact, if Federline had been on the broadcast and NOT get beat up, it would've gotten negative feedback), it took maximum advantage of the publicity, and for both weeks the highest rated segments were Federline's. Other than the "it's not really wrestling" complaint, not sure what all the negativity is about. Lemme channel Uncle Eric for a minute: Kevin Federline's not going to put butts in seats. He's not going to sell a PPV. Time wasted on Federline is time that could have been spent to actually get some talent over and push a story that might make some money. In fact, of the pseudo celebrities that have been mentioned here (Kevin Federline, AJ Pierzwhatthehellever, Tito Ortiz, and that NASCAR guy who wrestled for TNA), I'd argue that the only one of them who could actually help pop a buyrate is Ortiz. |
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Post by PureHatred on Oct 27, 2006 12:27:30 GMT -5
You overestimate Tito Ortiz, who is actually not even considered that big a star in UFC atm.
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Post by BDS on Oct 27, 2006 12:30:01 GMT -5
You overestimate Tito Ortiz, who is actually not even considered that big a star in UFC atm. How am I overestimating him? The biggest UFC PPV event of the year was based around Ortiz and Shamrock. They built a two hour TV special around the opportunity to see him rough up Shamrock again. Dana White, the UFC's owner, is going to box him on PPV. He's certainly not the best fighter in UFC anymore, but I'm not making that argument. He's hands down the biggest mainstream guy in the promotion, though. Edit: It's probably time we agree to disagree on this one, PH. Federline's a scumbag, to be certain, and his relative value to a wrestling promotion vs. that of Tito Ortiz will just have to remain the subject of speculation.  |
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Post by JED-SE on Oct 27, 2006 13:03:27 GMT -5
I don't think people are understanding PH very well. While I don't always see eye to eye with him, I understand and agree with his reasoning on how they booked K-Fed.
I'm one of those guys who didn't really know who K-Fed was before I saw him on Raw. (call me weird, I don't care) However, when I first saw him, I figured out he's obviously some no-talent ass-clown that got his break because he married Brittney spears. However, I realized as soon as he opened his mouth, he's a perfect fit with Nitro and Melina (story-line wise)I laughed my ass off when Cena ripped on him, and then FU'd him. That was hilarious! He was booked properly. The crowd, the media, and people watching at home thought it was entertaining.
As far as WWE fans ripping TNA if they were to have K-Fed appear at the Impact zone, that's a tough call. If they had him promote his new album and try to get the fans to pop, you're right. However, If Joe came out and beat the Sh*t out of him, or Angle snapped his ankle in half, you may not have the quite so many negative remarks from WWE fans. Sure there are always some people who would knock it, but the same goes for TNA fans knocking K-Fed appearing on RAW.
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Post by Splattercat on Oct 27, 2006 13:43:30 GMT -5
Splattercat, you're wrong. You are 100% wrong. That's a bit stiff isn't it..? "100% wrong" without quoting the part that you actually said was wrong (which, by the way, I figured was when I said Federline had nothing to contribute to wrestling) means that all my positive references to WWE displaying celebrities on their shows were actually false... Nitpicking aside, fine, if you want to watch a show with Kevin Federline on it, go right ahead...If you think it's a good idea, fine...If you will enjoy watching him get beat up, god bless you...Fact is, I think it's garbage, and I'm not going to watch Raw until they're finished so much as mentioning him...That's not WWE hate, that's Federline hate...Believe me when I tell you I would do the same to TNA, or Ultimate Fighter, or even frelling Farscape if he were on it... Basically PH, what it boils down to, is that we're all slaves to his nature...He's a parasite, and everyone thinks it's cool that he's pathetic and rides his "pseudo-celebrity" status to the point of being a real celebrity...People buy into it and he is made successful by virtue of the fact that he has nothing to offer anyone, in any medium...This guy wouldn't even exist if his wife wasn't such a wingnut... Luke Perry was on Smackdown...Luke Perry has nothing to do with Wrestling (although he was a natural choice for the Diva Search bit), but Luke Perry IS an actual name in the entertainment industry...I have no problem with Luke Perry...He's freakin' Luke Perry...Kevin Federline could marry George Bush and he wouldn't be as famous as Luke Perry... Point is, I'm not interested in seeing Kevin Federline opposite the WWE Champion...Even if said WWE Champion were David Arquette, I wouldn't watch it...Now, I may be the minority in refusing to support anything with Federline or any other pathetic names that exist in Pop Culture, but having him on the show killed my interest in it...You know, for what it's worth... |
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Post by stephenvegas on Oct 27, 2006 13:49:29 GMT -5
I also think that having Kevin Federline on RAW did make sense storyline-wise. Kevin Federline first showed up at RAW when it was in Los Angeles at Staples Center. According to the storyline, Nitro and Melina are heels who claim to be associated with various Hollywood celebrities. I was actually in attendance in Los Angeles for that episode of RAW and stayed with some friends who live in the Hollywood area that weekend. So I personally found out that if you drive on US 101 South and then take CA 110 South that you can get from Hollywood to Staples Center on a Sunday night (when that week's episode of RAW was actually filmed along with Smackdown) in less than 15 minutes. So, based on their proximity to Hollywood, it made perfect sense to have Melina and Nitro who are heels to have a heelish celebrity in Federline make an appearance on RAW in Los Angeles.
When they introduced Federline, I personally also did not know who the heck he was. But I could tell from my first-hand account that many people sitting in the crowd, especially near me, knew exactly who he was. I also thought the crowd's reaction to Federline was great especially when he got on the microphone and several times asked the crowd "Do you want to hear me rap?" and the crowd each time responded (many of whom stood up to do so) with an emphatic "NO!" The crowd also erupted when Cena later gave Federline the F-U. So I think Federline really did a good job of being a heel-like celebrity on RAW brought out partly as an example of Nitro and Melina's Hollywood associates.
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Post by PureHatred on Oct 27, 2006 13:54:24 GMT -5
See..but your argument before was basically taking YOUR personal preference and projecting it to say that the very idea of using Federline was a bad move for the WWE.
If you can sort of set those personal prejudices aside (the whole purist snob bit I was talking about), I think you would see that this wasn't a terrible idea, Federline was used effectively, and it generated publicity.
This is about the best scenario one could hope for from a celebrity in a storyline. Definitely not as cool as Mike Tyson as Special Enforcer, but nowhere near as bad as RoboCop or Chucky.
EDIT: basically, you don't like Federline so you're trashing the whole idea of using him. Which is a little dumb. If this was some actor you were a fan of , you wouldn't be complaining so your whole point is moot. Because I'm not defending Federline the person. I'm defending the idea behind using him.
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Post by ewt on Oct 27, 2006 14:08:23 GMT -5
This is about the best scenario one could hope for from a celebrity in a storyline. Definitely not as cool as Mike Tyson as Special Enforcer, but nowhere near as bad as RoboCop or Chucky. . RoboCop...that sent chills down my spine. I got to see KFed at the Teen Choice Awards...I have teens at home, notas bad as watching the Oxygen network...BUT CLOSE. I really wished he would have been amazing when he performed so he could say see you that I couldn't do it. My oldest daughter said he's "not so good" that being said he is a really lucky guy. He got paid to do, go on RAW, what we would PAY to do. |
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Post by Splattercat on Oct 27, 2006 14:38:01 GMT -5
See..but your argument before was basically taking YOUR personal preference and projecting it to say that the very idea of using Federline was a bad move for the WWE. If you can sort of set those personal prejudices aside (the whole purist snob bit I was talking about), I think you would see that this wasn't a terrible idea, Federline was used effectively, and it generated publicity. This is about the best scenario one could hope for from a celebrity in a storyline. Definitely not as cool as Mike Tyson as Special Enforcer, but nowhere near as bad as RoboCop or Chucky. EDIT: basically, you don't like Federline so you're trashing the whole idea of using him. Which is a little dumb. If this was some actor you were a fan of , you wouldn't be complaining so your whole point is moot. Because I'm not defending Federline the person. I'm defending the idea behind using him. If that's what, "I won't watch Raw because Kevin Federline is on it" means, then yeah... |
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Post by dukedave on Oct 27, 2006 15:53:53 GMT -5
You overestimate Tito Ortiz, who is actually not even considered that big a star in UFC atm. How am I overestimating him? The biggest UFC PPV event of the year was based around Ortiz and Shamrock. They built a two hour TV special around the opportunity to see him rough up Shamrock again. Dana White, the UFC's owner, is going to box him on PPV. He's certainly not the best fighter in UFC anymore, but I'm not making that argument. He's hands down the biggest mainstream guy in the promotion, though. Edit: It's probably time we agree to disagree on this one, PH. Federline's a scumbag, to be certain, and his relative value to a wrestling promotion vs. that of Tito Ortiz will just have to remain the subject of speculation. Tito is not the biggest star of UFC. It is Chuck Liddell and Matt Hughes. It was Rich Franklin until he got his face rearranged. Tito is big, but he hasn't beat anyone good in 2-3 years (I don't count Forrest Griffin as Griffin should have won that fight). Anyway, if a study was done for name recognition, as bad as it may sound, Tito Ortiz would not even come close to being as famous as Federline. Tito's girlfriend would be closer to Federline in famousness. |
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Post by PureHatred on Oct 27, 2006 16:03:55 GMT -5
^^^ This is all very true. FAR MORE people in the general viewing audience know Federline that Ortiz.
Listen, I can't argue with BDS saying that he's not sure Federline is woth brining in. I mean, he hasn't boosted the ratings, even though his segments have been the highest rated. And I'm sure the live tapings were sold out months in advance, so you can't really credit him. And I have no clue whether he'll help the buy-rate. So this is one of those instances where the WWE has to feel like the free publicity justifies the decision.
And there is a point to be made there. you couldn't buy the amount of publicity this has generated.
But I really think that if you're only point is "Well KFed is a douchebag so i'm not gonna watch" you're really not making a good argument.
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Post by BDS on Oct 27, 2006 16:06:38 GMT -5
Well, if you look at the totally unscientific method of looking at the Google into account, Ortiz's girlfriend is way more famous than either of them, and Tito and Federline are pretty close. And while Tito isn't the biggest star in the eyes of UFC guys, I'd still say he's probably the one with the most mainstream recognition. |
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Post by PureHatred on Oct 27, 2006 16:14:45 GMT -5
Listen, on the Net, porn rules all.
I could probably enter the names of several presidents who aren't Googled as often as Jenna Jameson.
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Post by BDS on Oct 27, 2006 16:15:27 GMT -5
Shhhh! Don't expose my unscientific methodology, PH! |
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Post by Splattercat on Oct 27, 2006 16:30:46 GMT -5
Okay, good arguments aside, the reality of the situation from where I stand is "Kevin Federline is a waste of sperm, and I'm not going to watch Raw until all mention of him is ancient history"...
As I said, I'm probably the minority, and may be the only one adopting that standpoint but, what can you do..? I was told a long time ago on these boards, "Splat, if you don't like it, don't watch it"...
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Post by Tournament Master on Oct 27, 2006 16:43:26 GMT -5
I din't know Tito Ortiz was dating Jenna Jameson. I know she's hot, but its kind of disconcerting to be getting Blue Meanie's sloppy seconds, isn't it?
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Post by BDS on Oct 27, 2006 16:44:35 GMT -5
I thought Meanie got on the good foot and did the bad thing with Jasmine St. Claire. If he got her and Jenna, then rock on with him.
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Post by gwffantrav on Oct 27, 2006 16:45:02 GMT -5
I din't know Tito Ortiz was dating Jenna Jameson. I know she's hot, but its kind of disconcerting to be getting Blue Meanie's sloppy seconds, isn't it? I think the Blue Meanie was dating Jasmine St. Claire, not Jameson. EDIT: Ya beat me there BDS! |
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Post by Tournament Master on Oct 27, 2006 16:46:22 GMT -5
My bad. You are right. I always get my porn starts mixed up. Glad you guys get them staight for me. Wait...that sounds wrong.
Tito is just getting someone else's sloppy 100's.
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Post by BDS on Oct 27, 2006 16:49:00 GMT -5
Someone's got to keep up on the wrestler/porn star lore.
I guess ...
Ummm ...
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