uh oh...

[Chris Ingersoll]

swarm said:

I don't remember anyone saying he would suck as a singles star while praising the 3MW team returning.

I don't remember anyone saying that they wanted to see him as a singles star, either. I'd like to think that all the talk was about 3MW for a reason.

joe said:

Actually, I was speaking in general terms of what I had read on this and a couple others sites pertaining to Jamal

I asked you to show me examples, and instead you backed off and started speaking about "general terms". You mention other sites, but I see none. Way to back up your argument.

gatekeeper said:

admin said:

I'm guessing you didn't order Backlash, where he completely forgot to kick out at one point of the match. Or that you missed the RAW where Carlito officially turned on him: Masters was supposed to be out cold and Carlito was going to spit the apple on him; when Carlito couldn't find the apple, Masters actually started looking for it instead of continuing to play dead.

The simple truth is the guy is clearly not ready for primetime, especially not on live TV. If the WWE does a draft this year, he needs some pre-taped protection until he loses his raw greeness.

I saw Backlash and if we're going to say guys suck because they miss a spot, ok fine.

Forgetting to kick out isn't quite "missing a spot", but I never said that he sucks. I agree with you and the rest of the Motor City hive mind that he has potential (although maybe not as much as you guys think); he just needs to be taken off live TV (other than PPVs) for a while until he grows comfortable with the basics. Like counting to three.

[Chewey]

swarm said:

do I find it hilarious and extremely self-satisfying that I started a thread named "uh-oh" not even days ago, called out Joe's bad knee and big titties, thus raising the ire of so many TNA fan boys, including their leader, that is has become the largest and most viewed TNA thread in...I don't know, months?

Yeah, I do.

edit: oh my bad, my "ECW is the end of TNA" thread is actually way bigger and more popular than even this one...oops.

Aww, give me some credit. I brought Chris Masters into this thread which has also contributed to many responses and views too!

[PureHatred]

Masters has potential in the same way Lex luger had "potential." He'll learn enough so that he can be carried through a decent match, but any time he's paired with even a subpar worker he'll be atrocious.

And as Tommy stated, it definitely appears as though the "Wellness Policy" is taking a toll on the one thing he had going for him.

[Joe]

Chris-

I didn't back off of anything. After reading my initial post talking about the Internet's reaction to the resigning of Jamal did I specifically use a person's name when saying I had read positive statements about Jamal.

In my response, I clarified that I was speaking in general terms of overall response to his re-signing. You provided me with two links from this site in which predominantly good things were said about Jamal and/or 3MW.

Check out the forum on Wrestlecrap. Go back a couple months, if you've got that much time, and look for when WWE re-signed Jamal. Plenty of good things were said about the guy there, too.

You know every opinion I have ever voiced about a topic (not counting a prediction) is based in truth. There is no need to make it sound like I came off with a wildly-untrue comment about something.

The whole point of my post was basically responding to the idea that people only like Jamal/Umaga because he is pushed by Vince. I pointed out there is a section of wrestling fans who seem to dislike something or someone just because Vince has gotten behind it.

As I clarified in my second post, at no point have I ever read any positive things about Umaga by Tommy Brownell, in case my first post had been misinterpreted by someone.

-Joe

[Chris Ingersoll]

joe said:

You know every opinion I have ever voiced about a topic (not counting a prediction) is based in truth.

Opinions and truth rarely intersect; that's why they're called "opinions" instead of "facts" -- their very nature opens them to interpretation in either direction, which is what I did.

[Chewey]

purehatred said:

Masters has potential in the same way Lex luger had "potential."

Chris Masters is exactly that. He is Lex Luger 2k6. If you liked Lex Luger, then Chris Masters is probably right down your alley. And Luger has admittedly done a lot in the industry and a lot of people liked him. But there were a lot of people who didn't like Lex Luger even back in the day.

As Masters continues getting smaller, maybe he'll feel more of a need to actually improve in the ring? And if they put the belt on him sometime in the next couple of years, maybe he should try to make sure that he isn't the least talented champion of all time?

Seriously, one time I was watching him wrestle Kane, and they were out on the floor, and Masters went to whip Kane into the ring steps, but somehow he got into his own way and ended up whipping Kane into himself[/b]. I thought it was pretty funny. But he does stuff like that in every match if you look for it. And even if you don't look for it, he still usually seems a little uncomfortable in the ring.

[PureHatred]

Here's the thing: he's not improving, either. These mistakes that are being pointed out have all happened recently.

The guy spent months and months getting TV time, working with veterans, working main events, getting matches with guys like HBK and Angle, and he's still just as bad as he was when he broke Stevie Richards' nose.He's a stiff.

[thefamoustommyz]

I rather liked Luger. Masters is "okay" character-wise, and an awful worker...but he's FAR from having the brightest potential in the company.

[Splattercat]

So.....Does that make Umaga tougher than Kurt Angle..? Or Batista..?

[thefamoustommyz]

And Jarrett tougher than them all, yes.

[madacapa]

Masters looks a lot less muscular. After six months the steriod induced improvements wear off. After HHH came back after 9 months of recovery he looked HUGE. When Jericho comes back to the WWE, and I know he will, he will look HUGE. Batista, when he comes back to the ring, he will look HUGE.

Batista will have had time to train, rest, and take steriods. I have no proof that any of the wrestlers I mentioned have taken steriods, by the way, it is just an opinion.

[thefamoustommyz]

It's been reported various times that Batista has kind of surprised a lot of people because he's hardly lost any muscle mass in his time out. Contrast with, say, Kennedy who reports say has positively shrank in his time off.

[Splattercat]

thefamoustommyz said:

And Jarrett tougher than them all, yes.

Oh my god, you're right..!! When was the last time Jarrett missed an apperance due to injury..? By Swarm's formula, that makes Jarrett the toughest man in wrestling history... ;D

[Splattercat]

madacapa said:

I have no proof that any of the wrestlers I mentioned have taken steriods, by the way, it is just an opinion.

I have no proof that Madacapa has taken steroids by the way, it is just an opinion.

[Chewey]

Now now, we've already been down that path before. Back when madacapa was still leafar.

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[Splattercat]

Thanks Aaron...Umm....SHould I even comment on any of that...?

Glad I wasn't here on January 13th I guess...Although, it should now be pointed out that the day in question WAS a Friday...

[swarm]

splattercat said:

thefamoustommyz said:

And Jarrett tougher than them all, yes.

Oh my god, you're right..!! When was the last time Jarrett missed an apperance due to injury..? By Swarm's formula, that makes Jarrett the toughest man in wrestling history... ;D

no by my formula, Umaga makes Joe look like a wet tampon. Which he does.

Not talking about Jarrett, or Angle, or Lesner, or anyone in Tommy's little indy backyard fed...just Joe.

[Chewey]

this argument is getting kind of old. We're all entitled to believe what we want. It's pro wrestling, the matches are fixed. It all depends on how a wrestler is booked, and what each individual likes in a wrestler. Nobody is saying who would win in a real life fight between Umaga and Joe.

I think most of us would agree that Goldberg comes across as tough as far as a pro wrestler is concerned. But Goldberg got the crap kicked out of him by Steven Regal in WCW when Regal shot on him, and then when Goldberg had a backstage fight with Chris Jericho, Jericho choked him out unconscious. Would most casual fans say that Jericho and Regal are tougher than Goldberg? Maybe in real life, but not inside of a professional wrestling ring.

[swarm]

I think Jericho is way tougher than Goldberg in or out of the ring.

[floydthebarber]

In getting into details about Joe's injury, the major injury was to Joe's posterior cruciate ligament (PCL), which suffered a very serious tear. For those unaware, the PCL prevents the tibia (shinbone) from sliding too far backwards in order to protect the knee from bending in the wrong direction. The tear caused Joe's knee to buckle, which resulted in some severe swelling and pain. If everything goes well with physical therapy, Joe could avoid surgery at this time if healing of the ligament tears goes well. Although, some feel Joe will still have to get surgery down the line.

As reported earlier on TNAWrestlingNews.com, Joe suffered the injury many weeks ago while working for Ring of Honor in Cleveland, OH. Since the injury took place, Joe had been resting his knee to insure that he could still put on the usual fast paced performance at the TNA Sacrifice PPV this past Sunday when he teamed with Sting against Jeff Jarrett and Scott Steiner. Joe's apppearances for Ring of Honor were set up around protecting his knee. However, after five straight nights of working on it, it finally gave away during a match against David Young taped for Xplosion.

I'm sure he's still not tougher than Umaga in some people's eyes...but for a guy his size, who performs the way he does, I'm willing to give Joe 'just a little' credit for working with that kind of injury. Although the article goes on to talk about how Joe would cry in the back after each match and ask for his 'blanky' cause his knee had a boo-boo.