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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 29, 2006 11:44:23 GMT -5
This show is going to be awesome! So naysayers need not apply, last years rocked and this one will. The International matches are some of the best and I cannot wait to see Jushin Thunder and Daniels tear it up man what a card!!
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Post by PureHatred on Mar 29, 2006 12:53:21 GMT -5
I wonder about TNA fans like you..do you all feel obligated to support every single decision because TNA is 'the alternative'? Do you automatically think that anyone who doesn't blindly agree with every move hates the product or are just WWE supporters?
There are ways to be a fan of something and still retain your objectivity.
Basically, it makes it hard to take your opinion seriously. So when TNA puts on a good show and I see you say "Yeah, it was awesome!!!" my first thought is "Yeah, he says that about everything."
If you're trying to get others to give TNA a chance it sort of has the opposite effect.
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Post by hawk on Mar 29, 2006 14:38:04 GMT -5
And yet, I can't remember you saying anything truly positive about the promotion. It is a two way street my friend.
I won't be getting Lockdown. I've bought one TNA PPV, and I really didn't think it was worth it when it was all said and done. TNA's just got huge problems that need adressing.
The least of which is Chris Daniels, new X Champ...not even freaking being on the show for the last two weeks.
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Post by PureHatred on Mar 29, 2006 15:21:42 GMT -5
And yet, I can't remember you saying anything truly positive about the promotion. It is a two way street my friend. Then read through my posts more thoroughly. I've said plenty of positive things about TNA. Its just that I spend more time defending my opinion when I say something negative because of all the blind markism I get as feedback. For the record, I love TNA's ringwork, I think they have the best set of cruisers in the world today, they do a great job of allowing their workers to show off theirindividual styles, and they at least try to listen to their fans. But like you said, they also have huge problems. |
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Post by pikemojo on Mar 29, 2006 18:26:17 GMT -5
I think Lockdown will be a great ppv. I may just buy it. We will have to see. I will get the dvd no matter what though. There are too many great matches waiting to happen for this not to be a great ppv. (fingers crossed)
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Post by Splattercat on Mar 29, 2006 21:39:48 GMT -5
You know, I'm trying to watch WWE I really am...WWE as a product is about stories and not so much the wrestling...If you've ever tried to apply as a writer for the WWE, the first thing you'll notice as requirement is something along the lines of "x number of years experience as a soap opera writer"...Second thing you might notice is the complete lack of requirement for any sort of knowledge of wrestling... So, that being said, taking WWE for what it is, WWE is about the storylines...Nothing wrong with that, I recently watched a whole bunch of spots with Goldust and Booker T...Stuff like that was good TV, it was entertaining to watch, and it made it nice to watch something between matches.... These days, their storytelling is really really bad...On Raw you have Edge, having thrown his career away for a fling with Lita, airing EVERYONE'S real life problems on live television...I'm not a big fan of that, and before all that I was a big fan of Edge... On Smackdown you have the WWE exploiting the death of Eddie Guerrero...I really don't think I need to go further with that....It's something I think is really disrespectful to Eddie's friends and family...Not interested... I want to see Wrestlemania, but for the most part, just to see it...I'm not really interested in many of the matches...It's just, I liked last years and I think it should be as good as the WWE is boasting... TNA is about wrestling...and that's pretty much it...Their stories right now, aren't Monday Night War quality by any means, but again, there's nothing wrong with that because that's not what TNA is about...These days, I have no problem watching TNA because I get to watch the Wrestling, which is why I watch TNA...I find the matches on TNA to be very enjoyable... I will be watching Lockdown because as I said, I like last years, and the matches are looking really great...Joe vs. Sabu, something new that's never been seen before...Laiger vs. Daniels in a cage, not their normal environment, but hey, it's Laiger and Daniels...And Sting vs. Jarrett Wargames is what I really want to see... And in WWE...I don't know if I can handle watching Triple H get his 11th World Championship...I really don't care to see Michaels and McMahon in a streetfight...Kane and Bigshow vs. Masters and Carlito...? Well, I guess that's the extent of their tag team division really... Holy crap this post is huge...I hope I stayed on topic....If the topic is vaguely my opinion on Lockdown and TNA pay per views vs. WWE... Anyway, if I strayed, I apologise.... Seeyas...  |
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Post by PureHatred on Mar 29, 2006 23:00:42 GMT -5
You know, I'm trying to watch WWE I really am...WWE as a product is about stories and not so much the wrestling...If you've ever tried to apply as a writer for the WWE, the first thing you'll notice as requirement is something along the lines of "x number of years experience as a soap opera writer"...Second thing you might notice is the complete lack of requirement for any sort of knowledge of wrestling... While some of what you said migh tbe true, this first bit its completely false: This is from WWE Corporate: Job Title: Creative Writer Description: JOIN THE MOST ELECTRIFYING COMPANY IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY TODAY! World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. develops and produces the last of the great variety shows on television, combining all the elements of entertainment: sitcom, talk show, soap opera, action-adventure, and drama. With 52 weeks of original programming, without an off-season or re-runs, it is quite a creative challenge to keep characters and story lines interesting and compelling. That's where you come in! Requirements: Qualified candidates should possess: * BA/BS in Film, TV, Drama, Media Studies, Communications or equivalent * Minimum of three to five years writing and production experience in network television * Professional TV staff experience in drama and comedy a plus * Experience in all aspects of live TV production a plus * Highly creative (a prolific idea generator) * Plugged into pop culture and trends * Able to work closely and effectively with talent, writers, and producers throughout the creative process * Strong understanding of WWE's audience (demographic and psychographic) a plus
* Must live in Stamford, CT area or be willing to relocate there * Knowledge of WWE shows, talent, and storylines
* Excellent communication skills and the ability to work in a team environment * Flexible travel schedule (extensive travel required) So obviously they are looking for people with a TV background, but they are at least advertising for people with wrestling backgrounds. Stephanie Mcmahon seems to have gone outside those guidelines for her hirings, (if you beleive the rumors) but they are at least looking for the right type of writer. |
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Post by Splattercat on Mar 30, 2006 2:41:31 GMT -5
Well, that's a plus...When I saw it a couple years ago, the bolded ones (* Strong understanding of WWE's audience (demographic and psychographic) a plus, and * Knowledge of WWE shows, talent, and storylines) were not there...At least they're recognising that now...that's a big plus for them, but....it doesn't improve their current taste in storylines... But like I said, I'm trying... |
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Post by pikemojo on Mar 30, 2006 18:18:12 GMT -5
Just to back splattercat up I remember seeing the same thing.
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Post by swarm on Mar 30, 2006 23:16:02 GMT -5
Just to back splattercat up I remember seeing the same thing. d.i.t.t.o. ditto. |
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Post by GalactiKing on Mar 31, 2006 16:52:39 GMT -5
Back to the topic, I agree that not all matches need to be in a cage. Konnan vs Bob Armstrong in a cage*shudder*
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Post by swarm on Mar 31, 2006 21:13:36 GMT -5
Back to the topic, I agree that not all matches need to be in a cage. Konnan vs Bob Armstrong in a cage*shudder* what are you talking about??? those are two lame, over-the-hill nobodies in a MEGA-MATCH!!! That's what TNA is all about... it's the kind of match that has "TNA is going nowhere but up" written all over it... and how about Steve Borden vs. Scott Steiner? I assure you...when the day comes that TNA folds, it surley won't be because of matches like these... |
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Post by hawk on Apr 1, 2006 0:43:37 GMT -5
they aren't doing Sting v.s. Steiner. Their doing a wargames style match.
Jarrett, Steiner & AMW v.s. Sting, Ron Killings, and two others I'm forgetting.
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Post by swarm on Apr 1, 2006 1:16:25 GMT -5
they aren't doing Sting v.s. Steiner. Their doing a wargames style match. Jarrett, Steiner & AMW v.s. Sting, Ron Killings, and two others I'm forgetting. I thought Canadianpitbull said it was a enclosed cage match with weapons between Sting and Steiner. Wrong PPV? |
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Post by hawk on Apr 1, 2006 1:22:31 GMT -5
Not on this show atleast. I doubt they'll do a cage match between the two.
A singles match? Probably.
In any event, TNA's atleast booking Steiner well. Him rampaging reminds me of how well Steiner was booked in WCW's last few months. WWE never "got" how to use Scott. He's a roided up pissed off monster, his whole thing is...well...roid rage. they just booked him as...a guy. It's just I really am lacking faith that TNA will carry that into a half decent feud beyond this.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Apr 1, 2006 2:28:14 GMT -5
they aren't doing Sting v.s. Steiner. Their doing a wargames style match. Jarrett, Steiner & AMW v.s. Sting, Ron Killings, and two others I'm forgetting. I thought Canadianpitbull said it was a enclosed cage match with weapons between Sting and Steiner. Wrong PPV? Nah, it's Team Sting vs Team Jarrett (Steiner's a shoe-in) in a Six Sides of Steel, Enclosed Cage, WarGames Weapon Match...although that's not the official name, I was just trying to cram all the stips in...=) |
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Post by canadianpittbull on Apr 1, 2006 9:30:30 GMT -5
Lets also remember when I mentioned the Sting/Jarrett match not all the details were in yet. So I wasn't wrong. Either way I think it will be bedlam in Orlando that night as these two teams duke it out! I guess we'll find out as Sting is set to appear on IMPACT tonight!
As far as carrying the feud, I dunno WWE has been pretty lack luster in building up their biggest show of the year, since most I have talked to are more interested in the Hall of Fame Ceremony than the actual matches at WM 22.
They really didn't do much to really get people wanting to see the show. I mean most are going to get it because its WM. But with TNA I think the build up is going to be as good as they can do in 60 mins. Again be reminded of splattercats post. TNA is about wrestling and not so much on storyline however they will put together a really neat trailer to help entice folks to watch. One of the smartest things TNA/Spike ever came up with were the small trailers/spotlights on the wrestlers.
Very darn smart as it gets casual fans acquainted with spotlighted wrestler. Not only that but there commercial work for their PPV's and shows are very good. Either way Lockdown is going to be good. And please lets not have any more of those "TNA Marks never say anything bad" comments, because I know what the company needs to do as do I know what WWE needs to do to make their company better. But instead of sitting on the negativity button I look for the positive if at all possible.
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Post by gatekeeper on Apr 1, 2006 13:55:29 GMT -5
In any event, TNA's atleast booking Steiner well. Him rampaging reminds me of how well Steiner was booked in WCW's last few months. WWE never "got" how to use Scott. Actually, I don't think Vince was real interested in booking Steiner well. He was a guy who left WWE and went to WCW, so Vince knew that Steiner, being a former WWE star and WCW champ, would get people to watch. Then he booked him against HHH and watch HHH kill him night in and night out. I'm sure this was Vince's way of "getting back" at his departers of the 80's and 90's. |
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 1, 2006 14:22:30 GMT -5
Lets also remember when I mentioned the Sting/Jarrett match not all the details were in yet. So I wasn't wrong. Either way I think it will be bedlam in Orlando that night as these two teams duke it out! I guess we'll find out as Sting is set to appear on IMPACT tonight! As far as carrying the feud, I dunno WWE has been pretty lack luster in building up their biggest show of the year, since most I have talked to are more interested in the Hall of Fame Ceremony than the actual matches at WM 22. They really didn't do much to really get people wanting to see the show. I mean most are going to get it because its WM. But with TNA I think the build up is going to be as good as they can do in 60 mins. Again be reminded of splattercats post. TNA is about wrestling and not so much on storyline however they will put together a really neat trailer to help entice folks to watch. One of the smartest things TNA/Spike ever came up with were the small trailers/spotlights on the wrestlers. Very darn smart as it gets casual fans acquainted with spotlighted wrestler. Not only that but there commercial work for their PPV's and shows are very good. Either way Lockdown is going to be good. And please lets not have any more of those "TNA Marks never say anything bad" comments, because I know what the company needs to do as do I know what WWE needs to do to make their company better. But instead of sitting on the negativity button I look for the positive if at all possible. I honestly don't even think you're a TNA mark anymore. you're probably a TNA employee. And yeah, those TNA'Spike videos were a great idea. That's never been done before by any wrestling company ever.  |
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Post by tafkaga on Apr 1, 2006 14:31:12 GMT -5
I'm not really a big TNA fan, but I think Purehatred's post shows just as much, if not more, bias than Canadianpitbulls. This whole "if you're enjoying that product you must be a mark" thing that some people have going on is incredibly lame. I heard the exact same arguments every day in high school because I was one of the few guys still watching WWF when WCW was ruling the ratings. Ever thought that it's possible that someone can just enjoy a product for what it is? When I watched TNA I found it enjoyable just for what it was, then I came on this board and read a bunch of posts from a bunch of people telling me why I should NOT be enjoying it. Screw you. I'll like what I like, and so will Canadianpitbull and everyone else who enjoys TNA. It doesn't have to be 100% original or innovative. People like it for what it is, and there's nothing wrong with them being a fan and coming to the forum and expressing some enthusiasm about the product.
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