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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 27, 2006 13:16:07 GMT -5
Wrestling fans is not who they are trying to sell to here, wrestling fans will watch because they enjoy wrestling whether be the Indy shows or stuff on TV. It is the casual fan who makes the difference in how well your TV program does. This has nothing to do with being a Mark for mark's sake!
It has to do with putting butts in seats and appealing to those casual fans to watch the show. Personally the cage to me in Lockdown goes with the theme and is window dressing it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the match. I think that is the problem, those who hate the idea cannot stand to watch cage matches cause it distorts your ability to see the matches. Nitpickers! ;D
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Post by PureHatred on Mar 27, 2006 13:19:45 GMT -5
I have no problem with using the cage to add drama to big, feud ending matches. That said, it cheapens the effect when the entire show is inside a cage. I now all the TNA marks are going to jump all over that, but it does. Its booking 101. Big matches end big feuds. You use stipulations in moderation or else the idea of the 'special match' loses all meaning and it becomes repetitive. And repetitive prett y much means that the average fan isn't willing to pay to see it. Four months from now, why pay to see a cage match between two heated rivals when there was a whole PPV chock full of them? Crazy thing is...there are going to be matches on this card that would be worth watching without the cage. I'd pay for Joe v Sabu. I'd pay to see Daniels defend his X belt. I'd pay to see Christian v Abyss. Really, they should be using the cage for the Team Jarrett v Team Sting match and that's about it. It's just not entertaining to me to see the undercard guys in a gimmick match. Like when WCW used the scaffold match for guys like PN News. Here's some of the undercard from last year's Lockdown: Sonny Siaki & Apolo defeated Chris Candido & Lance Hoyt.Dustin Rhodes defeated Bobby Roode. Shocker defeated Sabin, Bentley and Dutt. The cage added nothing to those matches. So why use it? I know some of you are gooing to cream youselves defending TNA, but really, be reasonable. Look, Tommy, he called out the "TNA Marks," not just once, but twice. Come in and tell him not to make personal attacks! Actually, I'm just joking. I agree with him, though. The cage effect is cheapened by having everybody in one. I will say last year's match with AMW vs. Triple X kicked ass, and Skipper's huracanrana off the cage was incredible. That match did indeed, kick ass. If TNA wants Lockdown to be the cage PPV, then do it for the upper tier matches. That's all I'm saying. |
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Post by Joe on Mar 27, 2006 13:23:57 GMT -5
I agree. I don't know why someone would feel that, in order for a "Lockdown" to be a PPV's theme, the entire show has to be a cage. Hell, if that's the case, maybe they could put West and Tenay in a little cage at ringside.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 27, 2006 13:33:45 GMT -5
Why not?  |
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Post by PureHatred on Mar 27, 2006 13:45:49 GMT -5
Wrestling fans is not who they are trying to sell to here, wrestling fans will watch because they enjoy wrestling whether be the Indy shows or stuff on TV. It is the casual fan who makes the difference in how well your TV program does. This has nothing to do with being a Mark for mark's sake! Adding viable names like Steiner and Sting wil attract viewers But I seriously doubt that putting the entire PPV in a cage attracts more casual viewers. WCW tried this several times (meaning, they gimmicked upan an entire card) and it never seemed to help. By this reasoning feds like CZW would be attracting new viewers in droves, since every match seems to be a barbwire-fluorescent light bulb-lead pipe DEATH MATCH!!11!! blearg! |
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 27, 2006 14:26:05 GMT -5
I will admit I don't really like the sound of it... but I think we should leave the judgement to people who have actually seen Lockdown before. Everyone in this thread who has watched it says that it was really good.
So yeah, guess you can start your rant about how they're all just marks or something now.
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Post by PureHatred on Mar 27, 2006 14:46:17 GMT -5
I watched Lockdown last year. The top of the card was great. The undercard was dull and the cage did nothing for the matches.
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Post by pikemojo on Mar 27, 2006 18:27:03 GMT -5
I watched last year and enjoyed the entire card but I will admit that it added little to the under card. Still I like the concept and think that them adding Lethal Lockdown with Sting's army vs. Jarrett's army will make it a great ppv.
As Tommy said, if you can still find the Epic Anthology I would highly recommend picking it up. It is a great deal.
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Post by hawk on Mar 27, 2006 20:51:50 GMT -5
The problem with the "This kills the concept" argument, is that Cage Matches are already dead as a draw thanks to WWE running them so damn often for years now. TNA can say they have the "SIX SIDES OF STEEEEEEEEEL" but it's just a cage match. Anyone who watches wrestling can tell that.
A regular cage match won't draw jack anymore. While it's not the greatest idea, putting every match inside of a cage, and then not using it for the rest of the year is rather smart. Makes it mean something more then it normally would.
Now using it on Impact? That was pretty stupid.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 28, 2006 1:24:56 GMT -5
Why?! It was a preview to give the casual fan a taste of what is to come. But hey it is A-okay for the WWE to do a teaser match. Heaven forbid someone else used the same formula?  |
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Post by hawk on Mar 28, 2006 14:54:04 GMT -5
I'm not saying it killed the concept or something, don't take me the wrong way...but to ME, I'd have billed it up using past footage and show how brutal, bloody, and dangerous it can be.
I'm not saying that match on Impact killed the idea, but I think it hurt it since they didn't do anything significant beyond a regular tornado style tag cage match.
Beating post match? That was nice.
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Post by STEVIE~! on Mar 28, 2006 16:23:31 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with the concept, because it's only a yearly thing. Wrestling fans have a short term memory, and they'll remember the three, four, five times they've done the Ultimate X match over the last two years more than them running a one-night all cage PPV event.
And I agree with Hawk. It was incredibly stupid for TNA to run a cage match on FREE TV. Even my cousin, who doesn't even follow wrestling thought that was an insanely stupid idea.
I've never agreed with WWE doing it either. As a fan, sometimes I can't help but enjoy the fact that I'm getting something I should be paying money for. but I've always known that as far as business goes, it's a moronic move. This is no different.
You want to draw casual fans to the concept? There are other ways around it. Take for example WWF 1994. The build up to the Owen vs. Bret Summer Slam cage match revolved around a series of vignettes, simply with Owen in the cage, surrounded by a darkened arena, hyping the match with Bret. (They did a similar series of skits building to the 6-Man HIAC match.)
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 28, 2006 19:53:07 GMT -5
Well, the thought process was that Team 3D vs Young/Roode isn't a match anyone wants to pay money for...
In theory, It's Team 3D vs AMW that people will want to buy...odds are good that Team 3D vs Roode/Young would never have made it on PPV in a cage, especially since Team Canada are so far down the pecking order these days.
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Post by offspring515 on Mar 29, 2006 0:07:55 GMT -5
Right, but if the cage itself is the supposed draw, then giving it away on free tv is a bad idea. And before canadian pitbull jumps all over me.... If WWE was promoting a hell in a cell match for a ppv, and ran one on Raw the week before the PPV it would be a bad idea too |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 29, 2006 0:20:13 GMT -5
Well, if it helps, it's not the week before Lockdown...=)
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Post by offspring515 on Mar 29, 2006 1:28:59 GMT -5
Eh, close enough to count in horseshoes |
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Post by Splattercat on Mar 29, 2006 3:16:20 GMT -5
Re: Pitbull's comment on Thematic Continuity....King of the Ring used to be a Full tournament in one night, the winner got a Title shot...Now I can't even remember if it even exists anymore... Survivor Series was an entire Pay per View devoted to 8 or 10 (occasionally 20) man tag team elimination matches...Always one of my favorite Pay Per Views...The first 4 (along with the Flair team vs. Piper team match of number 5) were probably my favorite PPVs of all time...Now Survivor Series is just a 3 hour Raw with every title on the line.... Lockdown is a Pay Per View of all Cage matches...How is that so bad..? ECW was an entire Promotion of Hardcore Matches...The Sting/Jarrett Wargames match is going to be amazing...Not even the Elimination Chamber will come close... I'm all for Lockdown, I saw last year's and it was awesome...I just realized now though that Sabu vs. Samoa joe is in a cage....For some reason that one slipped past me...  P.S. Poor Sabu.... |
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Post by STEVIE~! on Mar 29, 2006 6:21:09 GMT -5
In the latest match signed, Christopher Daniels will defend the X-Division title against New Japan's Jushin Thunder Liger.
TNA has just secured 30 dollars more of my money.
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Post by Joe on Mar 29, 2006 8:43:48 GMT -5
In the latest match signed, Christopher Daniels will defend the X-Division title against New Japan's Jushin Thunder Liger. TNA has just secured 30 dollars more of my money. I'm with you. I'll pay to see that match. That just proves the point, though. I'm going to get the PPV for this match, same as the quoted poster. Niether purchase has anything to do with the six sides of steel. |
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Post by PureHatred on Mar 29, 2006 10:57:10 GMT -5
In the latest match signed, Christopher Daniels will defend the X-Division title against New Japan's Jushin Thunder Liger. TNA has just secured 30 dollars more of my money. I'm with you. I'll pay to see that match. That just proves the point, though. I'm going to get the PPV for this match, same as the quoted poster. Niether purchase has anything to do with the six sides of steel. I actually think I would prefer it if that match weren't in a cage. |
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