Rule proposal

[hawk]

I don't know how well received this will be, but I figured I'd try.

This is a discussion board, about wrestling, COTG, and other things. Lately, from people on both sides of the spectrum from my friends to people I'm not really too close with to say the least, we've had countless threads made about it, and derailed.

I propose, the following to fix this. It can be ignored, or used...I think this is a good solution to our issues. Instead of banning people I propose:

#1: Any threads made just to insult, or confront another poster is an automatic warning. Another, and you could be banned. All you're doing is fishing for a reaction.

#2: Any deliberate attempts to derail a thread with personal attacks, or insults/sarcasm results in a warning, same as above. You are doing nothing but trying to upset people.

#3: If something has to start between two people, which I'm sure eventually will, it HAS to be contained to that thread. None of this "I'll post about this in five threads" or anything. Keep it civil, and duke it out if it has to happen within the origin thread.

I'm not going to mince words, I don't overly fond of some people here, but I'm far from being misguided by that. I just want to have civil discussions on here, without flamebaiting, insulting, or anything like that.

Atleast give these a thought.

[swarm]

how about we are all grown men and we handle our own. I've never had an issue handling your boy, or anyone else, so I don't see the need for a change.

it just sounds like you're looking for protection and it's kinda sissy.

[hawk]

Because this bullcrap has hijacked HOW MANY THREADS? How many threads have been created about this?! This isn't just about you, or Gordon. This is about the board Swarm. A collective group. Not just two people.

Both of you have been responsible for this, but it has to stop. If you two can't just ignore each other and not try to enrage each other, then moderator power has to be used. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person completely tired of this constant bickering.

[swarm]

hawk said:

Because this bullcrap has hijacked HOW MANY THREADS? How many threads have been created about this?! This isn't just about you, or Gordon. This is about the board Swarm. A collective group. Not just two people.

Both of you have been responsible for this, but it has to stop. If you two can't just ignore each other and not try to enrage each other, then moderator power has to be used. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person completely tired of this constant bickering.

and this is affecting your life outside of the board how...?

chill bro.I could care less about the fly buzzing around my head that is Gordon Adair.

don't let it bother you so much.

be cool.

swarm

[tafkaga]

I don't think there's any chance of new rules being enforced since the old ones are not. I like these rules but most posts are subject to interpretation. 9 out of 10 times the reason I've spoken up is because I get sick of the posts that I interprate to be negative for the sake of negativity and confrontational for the sake of confrontation. There are others who would, and do disagree with my assessment of those posts and those posters. I just don't see any reason for why people need to be so negative or insulting toward other people simply because another's taste in pro wrestling is different from their own. If it were up to me action would have been taken long ago, but the mods and admins of this forum have shown themselves to be very lenient.

At the same time I have to say that there have been times I've been out of order as well, and had it not been for their leniency I would probably be banned as well. So be it, because I think if rules like Hawk has posted were enforced, things would never have escalated that far in the first place.

[tafkaga]

Swarm do you have AIM?

[Joe]

Swarm is right.

Maybe it's just because I have never frequented or joined a discussion board other than this, but I have a hard time understanding why people get so upset when people disagree with them. I thought it was comment knowlege that whenever a you commit write your thoughts down for others to see, you are opening yourself up for criticism.

This really isn't a big deal, and I don't know why so many on here cry. Hawk and Tafkaga jumped all over me because I said the "tone" of someone's post sounded much like a salesman. Read it over again, with an open mind. It sounds like a commercial! That's all I said, and since at least one other person out of a relatively small group of people thought it, it must have a shred of truth to it.

Seriously, everyone on here has their opinions disagreed with by someone. Hell, for as much as y'all blast Swarm for "picking on" you guys, you should notice that his opinions are attacked much as anyone's on this board. But since he doesn't cry about it, or start B.S. threads about rule changes and "I'm leaving," many of you apparently don't notice.

As I said, anytime you voice your opinions in public, people are going to comment. If Hawk or Tafkaga or anyone else don't want thier opinions commented on or criticized, then they should keep those opinions to themselves rather than posting them for people to see.

[gwffantrav]

Actually, Joe and myself have had disagreements, but we talk alot in PMs because we both live in Kentucky and talk about different things we have in common, which makes for good discussions.

I've been mad at him before (because he's screwed up lefty! Just kidding Joe), but the things we have in common I actually look forward to talking about with him. I've been making it a conscious effort to do those sort of things. By doing so, it's nice getting an interesting PM from him. We're both big college basketball fans and I love his comments on the sport.

Just my opinion...

[hawk]

this really wasn't directed towards Joe, but mainly the Swarm/Gordon thing. I've got no problem with disagreements, that isn't even part of my post. I have problems with posts designed to do nothing but continue this issue, or posts that do that.

All three things I listed have happened in this feud. If you don't think this has been an issue, thats good. For others, it is. Including myself. I've been a message board mod, I've been posting on boards for years. I know pretty much for a fact that this would have been dealt with on other boards I goto. I'm not getting onto the mods, since I understand their point of view, but I come here for discussion, and seeing 70% of the TNA threads turn into slap-offs hurts my enjoyment of these boards.

Edit: And for the record, there is a BIG difference between disagreeing with someone in a civil manner, which I try to do, and being insulting. I've seen alot of the second one, and not a huge ammount of the first one in the real wrestling forums.

[tafkaga]

I really stopped caring what certain people on this board thought of me and my posts a few weeks ago. If you look around you'll see that I've kept any disagreements isolated in the threads that they've taken place in. At times I've even agreed with Joe and Swarm, or defended their points. I buried my portion of this rivalry in my apology post. That doesn't mean I'm going to agree with everything they say, or that I'm going to be a carpet for them to walk on. It just means that I'm not going to go out of my way to start stuff.

Neither Joe or Swarm can claim the same thing. You don't have to look any further than Swarm and his buddies feds to see that they are still taking shots at me. I can live with it, hell I even think some of them are pretty funny. There are other threads that have been made for the sole purpose of baiting me. The one about invisible users springs to mind. Am I throwing a fit over it? Nah. I even humored him by participating in it.

The point is, I think that any "feud" that's going on is just a one-way thing. I left behind my side of it weeks ago. I can't help it that they're this immature, and doing everything they can to keep the feud alive. That's their perogative, and they're entitled to it. What's funny is that they imply that I'm the antagonist. Anyone who is gullible enough to believe that hasn't been paying attention. In the meantime, I've come to the conclusion that nothing that takes place on this board should be anything to be concerned about. If the admin/mods don't want it to be their problem, why should it be my problem?

[swarm]

tafkaga said:

I really stopped caring what certain people on this board thought of me and my posts a few weeks ago.

see that's your problem. Why would you ever care in the first place? In life...let alone on this board?

I sure as hell don't and there are about 100 other people on here that would say the same thing about themselves.

[BrianU]

Great to see you boys are getting along so well again. Good grief.

[tafkaga]

swarm said:

tafkaga said:

I really stopped caring what certain people on this board thought of me and my posts a few weeks ago.

see that's your problem. Why would you ever care in the first place? In life...let alone on this board?

I sure as hell don't and there are about 100 other people on here that would say the same thing about themselves.

This post is partially true, and partially in error.

I did care, because in real life I'm not a guy who puts up with BS. In high school I was like that, but when I turned 20 I made a 180 degree change, probably because I just never respected myself for all the BS I put up with before. The problem with taking this attitude to the internet is that there's absolutely no way that I can handle it beyond typing words on a keyboard. There's no face-to-face discourse, and so nothing that I can do is going to have any impact on someone who's just determined to be the biggest ass that he can be. I've dealt with many trolls before you, but I think you're probably the first board-endorsed troll I've come into contact with. What can I do against that? I had to train myself not to care, because caring just made me more and more angry.

The truth in your post is that most people on this board don't care. The error is in your statement that you don't care either. Dude, you are the one who's starting all this stuff. You're the guy who follows every post that I make so that you can make fun of it and parody me in your fed. You're the guy who's starting the threads just to confront me. To go to all this trouble and then say you don't care is riduculous. You care more than ANYONE.

If I cared half as much as you did, every day on here would be the World War 3 of the forums.

[swarm]

there is a difference between caring what people think of you and self-entertainment Gordon.

telling stories of how you got beat up in junior high or whatever to hundreds of people who don't know you, and constantly reminding everyone that you don't care, and that you have moved on, blah, blah, blah is caring what people think of you...

parodying real-life and turning you into a salamander jobber obsessed with Swarm and the Inner Circle in my fed is self entertainment...

[Knapik]

While I think there needs to be some moderation, I agree that each person that IS a man needs to BE a man.

Sometimes people aren't going to like you. Sometimes people are going to disagree. If someone says "White rappers are wannabes!" and I say "Thats effing dumb" I don't want to be banned for it. And let's face it... some people on this board are stupid. They have dumb opinions, are overly sensitive to criticism, and generally open themselves up to a constant barrage of people disagreeing with them. Not a LOT of people, but a few.

Trav and I started off with a big ol' disagreement, and look at us now! Close as kittens.

[swarm]

knapik said:

Trav and I started off with a big ol' disagreement, and look at us now! Close as kittens.

great. you just reminded me of that two headed kitten I once saw on tv and had blocked out of my mind...

thanks for bringing that back....

[tafkaga]

This is a perfect example of why I can't even communicate with you. You took something I said completely out of context and rephrased it into something that makes me sound whiny and pathetic. There's no way that myself or anyone can have a half way reasonable conversation with you when your only agenda is to belittle the other person.

I think the old adage rings true in this situation, that you can't help someone until they realize that they have a problem. I was around these COTG forums long before I even realized that you existed, then one day I see some guy running through the forum like Paul Revere and alerting everyone that I was on the Wrestling Wars forum. All of this from a guy who didn't care and never did. Then the same guy who didn't care sent me threats of viruses and physical violence in PM's. All this from the guy who doesn't care and never has.

[Chris Ingersoll]

tafkaga said:

I don't think there's any chance of new rules being enforced since the old ones are not.

If y'all (which isn't a word I normally use, but I wanted to distinguish between the personal "you" and the collective) want an iron-fisted, totalitarian military state instead of the current environment, just give me, Paul, Tommy, Jim and WTIC the word.

Do you really want me to unleash the Thought Police? Because I can do it, and you won't be happy about it.

[swarm]

admin said:

tafkaga said:

I don't think there's any chance of new rules being enforced since the old ones are not.

Do you really want me to unleash the Thought Police? Because I can do it, and you won't be happy about it.

now see this post reminded me of the very great, and very brilliant song "Karma Police" by Radio Head.

I love that song. Thank you.

[tafkaga]

No disrespect intended Chris, but I know of many forums that manage conflict like this effectively without being iron-fisted. The fact is I gave you the word months ago and the only thing that got done ended up getting UNdone within weeks...apparently nothing changed and nothing was resolved. At the top of the front page of the board it says to take any personal problems to the admin or the moderators. That's what I did and it didn't change anything. Nothing is going to change either. This is why I stopped sending complaints and started handling it on my own, because nothing was done. Now I'm being told that I shouldn't be able to handle it on my own either due to the fact that it is an inconvenience to other people on the board. Not my problem.

I'd also like to point out that your dumbass buddy is very good at conveniently forgetting all the rabble rousing he did around here for a month about something incredibly stupid. He never addresses the lame-ass threats that he made either. He just trots around talking about how he doesn't care, has never cared, and that I am obsessed with him. When you punch a guy in the face every day of his life, he eventually gets sick of it and starts punching back. Is there anyone here who has any grasp on reality?