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Post by Knapik on Nov 18, 2007 22:03:55 GMT -5
What's sad is some people can't say "My opinion is this, but I respect yours as well." Disrespecting other people is weak.
People that state their opinion - as wild as opinions can be 'round here - as fact more often than not come across as ignorant in my eyes.
edit: I also think people hating on stuff you like shouldn't get you down. I can understand how it would, but be above that crap. "Everyone in TNA sucks!" Well you know they don't... so why stress it?
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Post by Aquinas on Nov 18, 2007 22:40:33 GMT -5
What's sad is some people can't say "My opinion is this, but I respect yours as well." Disrespecting other people is weak. People that state their opinion - as wild as opinions can be 'round here - as fact more often than not come across as ignorant in my eyes. edit: I also think people hating on stuff you like shouldn't get you down. I can understand how it would, but be above that crap. "Everyone in TNA sucks!" Well you know they don't... so why stress it? I agree all around. There's nothing wrong with liking WWE, TNA, Ring of Honor, Timbuktu Wrestling, or whatever you want. TNA, like anything else, has its pros and cons. We who watch it can certainly pick out LOTS of flaws....but it's still, in my opinion, well worth the 2 hrs. |
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Post by SherriFan on Nov 18, 2007 22:43:50 GMT -5
And besides, if you really want to see who the best wrestling fed is, I'll just copy and paste something I posted in another thread recently:
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Post by gatekeeper on Nov 18, 2007 23:00:24 GMT -5
My thread can only end in tragedy.  Unless you think Vince is God and all non-Vince wrestling automatically sucks  For the record, I have never claimed that Vince or the WWE is infallible. There are several things about, or wrestlers in, the WWE that I don't like. Unless you've been under a rock for the past 2+ years, everyone knows that I can't stand HBK, DX, Undertaker, or Rey Mysterio. Those are 4 of the WWE's top guys. So please stop with the "you think Vince/WWE is God" argument because it's just wrong. You all make this a personal thing with me. Not the other way around. ALL of my posts (until people start with the name - calling/incorrectly putting words in to my mouth posts) revolved around the question posed by BDS. It wasn't me who derailed the thread. Yet, everyone points the finger at me. You all need to check yourself. I'm not the one with a sig that slams a WWE guy (who would be TNA champ if he goes there). I don't think all non-WWE wrestling sucks just because it's not owned by Vince. I know TNA sucks because I watch most of the iMPACT! shows and most of the PPVs because a buddy of mine gets all of them. Can anyone else say they watch 99% of the PPVs by both WWE and TNA? I doubt it. But I watch every WWE PPV and most of TNA's. My opinion is based on what I see. |
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Post by Knapik on Nov 18, 2007 23:48:57 GMT -5
Ballsack.
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Post by BDS on Nov 18, 2007 23:57:12 GMT -5
Post of the Year. EDIT: And not because it's slamming Payback, if that's even it's intent. The fact that I can't really discern it's intent is what makes it so funny. It's just a post that says "Ballsack" with no real context. Comedy gold. |
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Post by Avarice on Nov 19, 2007 0:09:22 GMT -5
LOL...not sure why it's so funny...it's not everyday you see someone else's ballsack.  |
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Post by gatekeeper on Nov 19, 2007 0:32:12 GMT -5
Post of the Year. EDIT: And not because it's slamming Payback, if that's even it's intent. The fact that I can't really discern it's intent is what makes it so funny. It's just a post that says "Ballsack" with no real context. Comedy gold. I think it's referring to Havoc's Kennedy sig (though that's not what I was referring to in my post). If it's directed to me, well, I don't really care. |
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Post by BDS on Nov 19, 2007 0:38:59 GMT -5
I think it's referring to Havoc's Kennedy sig (though that's not what I was referring to in my post). Did he bring it back? Crap. |
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Post by euritar on Nov 19, 2007 12:17:44 GMT -5
All I want to know is, where can I watch this Timbuktu Wrestling? I know, I always put a funny post up and nothing else, that way no one hates THE GREAT AND MIGHTY EURITAR!! Ok, I'm done now, maybe. |
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Post by behindthebook on Nov 19, 2007 16:40:55 GMT -5
Okay, this is always fun to watch, but I’d like to, if I may, address the point that Payback made a while ago.
“TNA tells you that the WWE is better by the way they book the castoffs and how they bury and push down the homegrown guys down the ladder.”
Now, this is a perfectly valid view of things, but I happen to disagree with it.
When Goldberg signed with the WWE and he immediately pwned the Rock, was the WWE saying that WCW was better then they were? Or when Hulk Hogan main evented Bash at the Beach in his first match in WCW, were they saying WWF was better? Of course not. All they were doing was capitalizing on brand identity that these assets already had. I think it’s a valid decision, but if you disagree, which I think you do, I’d like to know why.
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Post by gatekeeper on Nov 19, 2007 17:19:41 GMT -5
Okay, this is always fun to watch, but I’d like to, if I may, address the point that Payback made a while ago. “TNA tells you that the WWE is better by the way they book the castoffs and how they bury and push down the homegrown guys down the ladder.” Now, this is a perfectly valid view of things, but I happen to disagree with it. When Goldberg signed with the WWE and he immediately pwned the Rock, was the WWE saying that WCW was better then they were? Or when Hulk Hogan main evented Bash at the Beach in his first match in WCW, were they saying WWF was better? Of course not. All they were doing was capitalizing on brand identity that these assets already had. I think it’s a valid decision, but if you disagree, which I think you do, I’d like to know why. Goldberg won about 5 matches in the WWE and then jobbed to basically everybody in the fed. Hogan is Hogan. He was a main eventer before ever getting to the WWF in the 80s. But his fame reached new heights with Vince Jr. I think Vince thought he might have been able to do something with Goldberg but all reports are that he was a total douche behind the curtain. Plus, when Goldberg came to WWE, it was in the huge combining of the feds due to Vince's purchase of the WCW. WCW went belly up and sold to Vince. ECW had just folded as well. It's kind of hard to compare the 2 scenarios but I see what you are saying. |
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Post by BDS on Nov 19, 2007 17:27:11 GMT -5
On a side note, Goldberg spearing the Rock for that first time is in my top five of wrestling moments. Rocky sold that like he'd been shot in the stomach. Freaking awesome.
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Post by LWPD on Nov 19, 2007 18:16:34 GMT -5
What's sad is some people can't say "My opinion is this, but I respect yours as well." Disrespecting other people is weak. People that state their opinion - as wild as opinions can be 'round here - as fact more often than not come across as ignorant in my eyes. I'd agree with that. Yet an even worse problem is when people make openly false statements and then hide behind the lazy thinking of 'I'm giving an opinion which cannot be labeled as being wrong' mantra. Any qualitative perception (this is good, bad, light, heavy, simple, hard, sucks, etc) is equally subjective to any other...but a veritable statement of measurement that is tied to an objective referent...or conversely a statement that is measured and proven to be false...is no longer dealing in the realm of 'opinion'. One equation deals with the subjective...the other with a defined aspect of reality apart from our preferences where comments are either true or false. Although many have difficulty identifying when they are crossing from one realm into the other...the two are not one and the same and we aren't doing any favors for people when we pretend that they are. I see the person committing the later act as worse than the former because espousing a false statement that is masked as an 'opinion' harms not only the knowing/unknowing espouser...but also other readers who often don't know better and then become the victims of receiving (and often believing...and then even spreading) misinformation. The extent to which this happens in every medium is staggering. This is one of the reasons we have a general 'dumbing down' and laziness of content even though we live in an 'information age'. While it's true that anyone is capable of uttering an opinion and one never has to think beyond a simple 'I like this...that can't be wrong...respect me'...finding the intellectual integrity to challenge and objectively measure our thoughts and preferences...even when doing so can be uncomfortable and run counter to our established lines of thinking...can ultimately be far more healthy and rewarding for both ourselves and those we dialog with. |
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Post by Knapik on Nov 19, 2007 20:12:53 GMT -5
Well I think you're absolutely right on all points, LWPD. But opinions like "TNA has some good talent" or "The Great Khali is cool" are very subjective, and cannot really be proven true or false.
A lot of people like The Great Khali, and a lot of people hate The Great Khali. Neither person is WRONG really; and while there's nothing wrong with debate - especially between two parties who are open to one another's ideas - but stating somebody is wrong for feeling a certain way about a wrestler is kind of ridiculous in my book. I don't like Pink Floyd, but I wouldn't dare say people are wrong for thinking they are great. I can tell one why I don't like them or why I think they're bad... but how could I one is wrong for enjoying them?
I see your point about people spouting off crazy stuff like "John Cena sucks!" then getting upset when someone differs in opinion, thinking they are being attacked. That's not what I was alluding to, and we're on the same page there.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 19, 2007 21:57:48 GMT -5
Unbelievable.............  WWE rules ! Vince is God ! TNA sucks................  I wish sarcasm would come out better on line. WWE is the NOT the be all end all of wrestling, there are alternatives and wrestlings better for it. I'll watch ROH above anything else. Also the great Kah - onkey > than the entire TNA? Payback, Payback, Payback dude you gotta layoff the koolaid. Huh? KB you have to stop liking things that suck. LOL Payback/Brett , I love you like a brother and i think you're without a doubt one of the best people I ever met through this game but you gotta lay off the E' Kool-Aid bro. You rock and I hope all is well with you and yours ................. ;D |
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Post by flyingmonkey on Nov 20, 2007 0:08:46 GMT -5
Payback is my hero.
Swarm is my idol.
~KB~ is my dad.
but I'm the greatest...................mawahahahaaaa
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Post by dukedave on Nov 20, 2007 0:16:58 GMT -5
Payback is my hero. Swarm is my idol. ~KB~ is my dad. but I'm the greatest...................mawahahahaaaa A great song used to say "two out of three ain't bad" Apparently, that song was wrong.  |
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Post by wildcat on Nov 20, 2007 0:20:14 GMT -5
Yeah Havoc the kid's a legend in his own time mind. The so called kid turns eighteen on 12-13-07, almost a man there kid. Just remember though I'm your dad and I will always be able to kick your a$$. ;D Stay humble bud it fits you. |
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Post by dukedave on Nov 20, 2007 0:45:20 GMT -5
Yeah Havoc the kid's a legend in his own time mind. The so called kid turns eighteen on 12-13-07, almost a man there kid. Just remember though I'm your dad and I will always be able to kick your a$$. ;D Stay humble bud it fits you. Actually, he listed Payback, Swarm, and you. My comment was basically that 2out of 3 were bad. Take a guess which 2?  |
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