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Post by swarm on Mar 29, 2007 20:22:35 GMT -5
Christian isn't half as funny anymore without Edge and the WWE writers. Still cool, but he comes off lame. Tomko on the other hand is sweet.
And I don't get Christopher Daniels Mike Tyson/Sting gimmick. Gay.
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Post by swarm on Mar 29, 2007 20:29:52 GMT -5
And I'm sorry but Samoa Joe is a fat sob look at his fat face for Pete's sake and those side-burns? Tell me he doesn't look like a fat Samoan Elvis. I mean I'm being totally serious. They should have Honky Tonk Man manage him.
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Post by JamieOD on Mar 30, 2007 4:01:44 GMT -5
I have been telling every fan I know here in Dublin that Samoa Joe would have been given a modern day update to the Honky Tonk Man gimmick if he signed with WWE, and not the Umaga one (for the record Joe likes the Umaga gimmick and is glad that Jamal has been successful with it).
However, if you're going to go around making fun of Joe because of his size and appearance, then it's your loss. Although I haven't since much of the recent TNA stuff, his TNA Best of DVD is fantastic and of course he was the top guy in ROH. I understand if you're not a fan of Joe or his work, it's your opinion after all. But I am getting sick of you poking fun at him at his looks instead of his ring work. It's pointless arguing about it because I guess we have different opinions on the matter. I think it was you who said Joe's not a marketable guy for TNA, while I am only interested in him wrestling.
And Tomko's doing well for himself. He recently won the New Japan Tag Team titles with Giant Bernard (A-Train).
P.S. There's a modify button. You can use that instead of double posting if there's something you've forgotton.
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Post by Knapik on Mar 30, 2007 4:57:26 GMT -5
Christian is a bright light for TNA. I think his stuff has been especially witty and he's been a good champ. I have nothing against Tomko. Joe is awesome and that's not going to change any time soon.
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Post by bmurderh8s on Mar 30, 2007 5:51:34 GMT -5
Christian is a bright light for TNA. I think his stuff has been especially witty and he's been a good champ. I have nothing against Tomko. Joe is awesome and that's not going to change any time soon. quoted for truth |
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Post by swarm on Mar 31, 2007 11:56:27 GMT -5
However, if you're going to go around making fun of Joe because of his size and appearance, then it's your loss. Actually it isn't. Samoa Joe is the biggest peice of rotting monkey taint that ever stepped foot into a wrestling ring and I personally enjoy watchng him get fatter by the week while hanging around the mid card of the worst fed that ever lived. Meanwhile Umaga is Main Eventing WRESTLEMANIA. Ah sweet Karma. |
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Post by ewt on Mar 31, 2007 12:24:18 GMT -5
However, if you're going to go around making fun of Joe because of his size and appearance, then it's your loss. Actually it isn't. Samoa Joe is the biggest peice of rotting monkey taint that ever stepped foot into a wrestling ring Swarm, you can't believe that. Without getting into a huge debate I can think of 2 dozen guys who were worse. As for the sideburns...I am bald I'd kill for sideburns...so PLEASE let the 'burns go. LOL |
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Post by bmurderh8s on Mar 31, 2007 13:45:25 GMT -5
However, if you're going to go around making fun of Joe because of his size and appearance, then it's your loss. . It's hard to take someone seriously when they bash Joe for being fat and out of shape and then turn around and praise Umaga like he's the second coming. And Umaga isn't headlining WM 23. He's in some dumbass gimmick match against Lashley. His match at the PPV for the most part is completely useless. It's only there to serve as a promotional thing with Trump and SCSA involved. |
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Post by swarm on Mar 31, 2007 13:54:57 GMT -5
However, if you're going to go around making fun of Joe because of his size and appearance, then it's your loss. . It's hard to take someone seriously when they bash Joe for being fat and out of shape and then turn around and praise Umaga like he's the second coming. And Umaga isn't headlining WM 23. He's in some dumbass gimmick match against Lashley. His match at the PPV for the most part is completely useless. It's only there to serve as a promotional thing with Trump and SCSA involved. Nice try. I'm sorry you don't understand wrestling. Umaga and Lashley are pasted all over Detroit, in the papers and on the streets promoting Mania. It's billed as the Main Event. You should know this I assume you read the newspaper. BTW, Umaga is 6.4 350lbs. and naturally a huge guy. Samoa Joe is a normal sized obese person. He's like 260lbs. and he should be like 240lbs. tops. He's an out of shape loser. Umaga is a Main Event Superstar.And while you, the king of garbage wrestling, thinks it's a dumbass gimmick that's your opinion and that's fine, but there's 75 THOUSAND people who just broke the North America gate record...who disagree with you so... Nice try. I heard 12 people were at the ROH show this weekend though. |
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Post by Hegemony on Mar 31, 2007 14:10:19 GMT -5
It's hard to take someone seriously when they bash Joe for being fat and out of shape and then turn around and praise Umaga like he's the second coming. And Umaga isn't headlining WM 23. He's in some dumbass gimmick match against Lashley. His match at the PPV for the most part is completely useless. It's only there to serve as a promotional thing with Trump and SCSA involved. Nice try. I'm sorry you don't understand wrestling. Umaga and Lashley are pasted all over Detroit, in the papers and on the streets promoting Mania. It's billed as the Main Event. You should know this I assume you read the newspaper. BTW, Umaga is 6.4 350lbs. and naturally a huge guy. Samoa Joe is a normal sized obese person. He's like 260lbs. and he should be like 240lbs. tops. He's an out of shape loser. Umaga is a Main Event Superstar.And while you, the king of garbage wrestling, thinks it's a dumbass gimmick that's your opinion and that's fine, but there's 75 THOUSAND people who just broke the North America gate record...who disagree with you so... Nice try. I heard 12 people were at the ROH show this weekend though. And only a few hundred buy Filsinger Games products, while thousands (millions) buy other games like Smackdown v. Raw. Does this make these games better than COTG simply because the masses prefer, or have even heard of, these games? I think not. It really is a dead horse at this point, but Umaga's ONE good match in his career can hardly touch the total quality of work from some one like Samoa Joe, or many others for that matter. But he has the WWE hype-machine behind him right now and has the luxury of working mostly squashes or matches with gimmicks so he can hide any shortcomings in the ring (LMS, special ref tomorrow, etc.). But I agree he has done more with this horrendous gimmick than I thought he would, so congrats to him on that. As for Tomko, wow. To argue that he is better in any way than others on TNA's roster like Joe, Shelley, Cage, Daniels, etc. demonstrates the amount of importance you really place on actual in-ring work. I did get a good laugh out of it though, so I guess it was a mission accomplished on your part.  |
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Post by swarm on Mar 31, 2007 14:20:41 GMT -5
Not my fault you don't get wrestling. It's all about the draw. And for one week, I watched crappy TNA the whole hour, because of Tomko.
And for real please. Stop with the smark support for Joe. It has been proved a bazillion times now. Umaga > Joe. I was right all along. I know that hurts but it's true. Anyone who really thinks Joe is even 1/100th as good as Umaga, at this point, really, really, really, doesn't get wrestling. Time to give that one up. Swarm 2-0 Smarky Indy fans 0-2.
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Post by Hegemony on Mar 31, 2007 14:37:30 GMT -5
I think you mean that any one that doesn't see Umaga is greater than Joe doesn't get "sports entertainment" nor understand the importance of the WWE hype-machine. It's OK, an easy mistake that is made very often by WWE marks like yourself.
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Post by pikemojo on Mar 31, 2007 14:47:06 GMT -5
I actually think I may have seen this argument before. I could be wrong though.
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Post by swarm on Mar 31, 2007 15:14:37 GMT -5
I think you mean that any one that doesn't see Umaga is greater than Joe doesn't get "sports entertainment" nor understand the importance of the WWE hype-machine. It's OK, an easy mistake that is made very often by WWE marks like yourself. Well me and 75 thousand other "WWE marks" like myself are going to be having the time of our lives here in about 24 hours while you sit in your disgust of everything that is cool, popular and loved by millions of people. It's ok if you want to like stuff that sucks like ROH and Samoa Joe that'ts fine, but don't kid yourself, you and the other 4 people who share your opinion would take my front row seat at WRESTLEMANIA right now if I gave it you and you know it. |
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Post by JamieOD on Mar 31, 2007 15:14:52 GMT -5
Not my fault you don't get wrestling. It's all about the draw. And for one week, I watched crappy TNA the whole hour, because of Tomko. And for real please. Stop with the smark support for Joe. It has been proved a bazillion times now. Umaga > Joe. I was right all along. I know that hurts but it's true. Anyone who really thinks Joe is even 1/100th as good as Umaga, at this point, really, really, really, doesn't get wrestling. Time to give that one up. Swarm 2-0 Smarky Indy fans 0-2. Then it seems you and I 'get' wrestling in entirely different ways. There's no point arguing. You have your opinions, I have mine and they're as different as chalk and cheese. Although to be honest, I can't help but think you only think like this to annoy smarks and guys who appreciate indy wrestling. |
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Post by swarm on Mar 31, 2007 15:16:52 GMT -5
All I'm saying is if you draw, you make money = you're good. Samoa Joe is a colossal failure as a main event wrestler and Umgaga is Main Eventing the biggest show on the planet. I'm sorry if the truth annoys you. Not my fault.
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Post by Hegemony on Mar 31, 2007 15:32:04 GMT -5
I love how you can conveniently ignore the history of the two promotions (WWE & TNA - one actually has a history), issues such as other people on top that may be helping to "draw" this money, the booking of the two promotions, and on and on. It is not so simple to say Umaga = huge draw since he has never, on his own, drawn on PPV (Rumble match, WM name, Vince & Trump & Austin involvement, etc.) WWE is a draw at this stage, while TNA is not. But to say that this means Umaga is greater than every one on TNA's roster ignores so many contextual issues it is laughable. And I personally hate TNA these days, so it is really funny for me to have to bring this to your attention, not that you will pay it any notice. You can now commence the Joe fat jokes and live in your black and white world.
And for the record, I would love to go to Detroit right now, and would take your ticket to WM if offered. But I would have a much better time with the 1200 fans at the two ROH shows than the masses at WM. Not to say I wouldn't also enjoy WM, but it is a completely different sort of experience and I can say for my tastes that the "Wrestling" will not be happening on Sunday. Sunday would be for the pomp and circumstance WWE is so notorious for.
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Post by cakejedi on Mar 31, 2007 15:59:07 GMT -5
All I'm saying is if you draw, you make money = you're good. Samoa Joe is a colossal failure as a main event wrestler and Umgaga is Main Eventing the biggest show on the planet. I'm sorry if the truth annoys you. Not my fault. I am driving three hours to Detroit to see a wrestling show in which Umaga is appearing in one of the main event matches. And right now, there is nothing to make me drive three hours to watch Samoa Joe. So.................. Umaga>Joe And for the record, when Samoa Joe was feuding with A.J. Styles and Christopher Daniels, I thought that he was on the verge of becoming a great wrestler and someone that TNA could build around. And when Umaga debuted, I thought it was a terrible gimmick and he did not impress me as a wrestler. Since then, Umaga has improved to where he is a main attraction at Wrestlemania, and Samoa Joe hasn't impressed me since his run as X-Division Champion. |
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Post by swarm on Mar 31, 2007 16:04:25 GMT -5
Cakejedi, Swarm, Payback, Joe, 74,996 people > 1200 people.
WWE > ROH
Umaga > Joe
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Post by Hegemony on Mar 31, 2007 16:52:00 GMT -5
Cakejedi, Swarm, Payback, Joe, 74,996 people > 1200 people. WWE > ROH Umaga > Joe Hilarious! Now please tell me that The Great Khali is a better wrestler than Bryan Danielson. Please! Pretty Please! |
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