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Post by PureHatred on Nov 21, 2006 17:20:49 GMT -5
Actually, I don't even think its a negative to say Hogan probably wasn't the best judge of talent. A lot of times performers who reach the absolute height of their industry can't see beyond their own success or egos.
It's a loose example, but just look at the bad jobs Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan , and Isiah Thomas have done as coaches/GMs.
Hogan used to go on Bubba the Love Sponge on a pretty regular basis and talk about how guys like The Rock, Austin, Flair, Goldberg, etc were never "as good" or wresn't in his league..
Not even debating his opinion, I think that shows that he just doesn't look at other wrestlers fairly. He's awlays going to compare them to himself.
I'm actually a pretty big fan of Hogan's work; I just wouldn't let him run my wrestling company.
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 21, 2006 17:23:48 GMT -5
didn't he almost kill Davey Boy Smith or something when he back-dropped him onto a trap door or something? Yes and no. The trap door was in the ring because of a spot UW was going to do where he "magically appeared" in the ring during the main event. IIRC Luger was the one who actually slammed Davey Boy. And the injury did get infected and Davey Boy nearly died. So it wasn't UW's fault; it was just a total lack of foresight by management. |
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Post by Joe on Nov 21, 2006 18:13:32 GMT -5
I disagree. HHH was having big time feel matches with The Rock when DX feuded with The Nation. Obviously, “big time feel matches” would fall under LWPD’s “aesthetics”, but I have to disagree. The feud between DX and the Nation had a “big time” feel to it, but the matches between Triple H and The Rock over the IC title did not, at least not anymore so then the European title matches between X-Pac and Owen did. The feud was a collaborative effort and a collaborative success; and that success was based mostly on a hand full of entertaining promos and the clever use of props, costumes, and a very funny Owen impression by Jason Sensation. I personally would say that it wasn’t until the feud with Kane and the double turn at Wrestlemania 15 that Triple H really achieved a “big time feel” match. The Rock-Triple H ladder match for the I-C title definitely was a big time match. It is widely considered to be the match that made them superstars. I didn't just hear that on a WWE DVD, either. I actually told the people I was watching the match with when it was over, "That match just made those two guys superstars." Triple H has been a major player for a long time, and contrary to the opinions of many Inernet fans, it has very little to do with who he married. Triple H's in-ring resume is as impressive as anyone working today, with the exception of Ric Flair. |
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Post by Splattercat on Nov 21, 2006 21:09:50 GMT -5
One thing about Triple H...Ever notice that whenever Rock did something, Triple H followed..? They both won the IC title about the same time...Rock goes on to win the World Title, Triple H wins the World Title...Rock wins the World Title 6 more times, Triple H wins the World Title 6 more times...Rock becomes a Movie Star, Triple H...Well, tried...You get the idea... I'm sure if Rock didn't go Hollywood, he would be in his 11th (or more) World Title reign as we speak...And as always, Triple H would be right there on his coat tails...I'm betting Triple H couldn't wait to get out of that particular shadow....  |
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Post by Chewey on Nov 22, 2006 9:25:54 GMT -5
the problem with Triple H is that, up until his program with Batista in which he heavily put The Animal over, Trips had never been in a good match in which he wasn't carried. His matches with The Rock, Austin, Mankind, and HBK were all great, but all four of them are generally considered better workers than him. Meanwhile, as soon as they put him in matches with the Undertaker and Hulk Hogan, those matches were god-awful and painful to watch, even as other top names managed to pull decent matches out of those guys.
Granted, those matches were coming right out of his quad injury, but at that time I remember trying to think of a match in which he could be said to have "carried" his opponent, and I could not think of one. His match with Batista has redeemed him somewhat, and he does have a "big match" aura that surrounds him, as evidenced by his reactions since his program with Cena.
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Post by JED-SE on Nov 22, 2006 12:04:24 GMT -5
One thing about Triple H...Ever notice that whenever Rock did something, Triple H followed..? They both won the IC title about the same time...Rock goes on to win the World Title, Triple H wins the World Title...Rock wins the World Title 6 more times, Triple H wins the World Title 6 more times...Rock becomes a Movie Star, Triple H...Well, tried...You get the idea... I'm sure if Rock didn't go Hollywood, he would be in his 11th (or more) World Title reign as we speak...And as always, Triple H would be right there on his coat tails...I'm betting Triple H couldn't wait to get out of that particular shadow.... I think the movie thing was more of a coincidence Cat. I don't think that he tried to become a movie star because Rock did it. I think it was more along the lines of, it was a good opportunity for Triple H. I'm sure he would have done it whether or not The Rock did it. I don't know if Triple H was "riding Rock's coat-tails" is fair. They both put each other over and they happened to be championship matches. Again, whether Rock won the title 6 times, 8 times or only 1 time, I think Triple H's title reigns would have happened nonetheless. |
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Post by JED-SE on Nov 22, 2006 12:11:20 GMT -5
the problem with Triple H is that, up until his program with Batista in which he heavily put The Animal over, Trips had never been in a good match in which he wasn't carried. His matches with The Rock, Austin, Mankind, and HBK were all great, but all four of them are generally considered better workers than him. Meanwhile, as soon as they put him in matches with the Undertaker and Hulk Hogan, those matches were god-awful and painful to watch, even as other top names managed to pull decent matches out of those guys. Granted, those matches were coming right out of his quad injury, but at that time I remember trying to think of a match in which he could be said to have "carried" his opponent, and I could not think of one. His match with Batista has redeemed him somewhat, and he does have a "big match" aura that surrounds him, as evidenced by his reactions since his program with Cena. I didn't see Undertaker Vs Triple H post quad injury, but I did see it at Wrestlemania, and IMO, Triple H carried that match, and was one of Taker's best matches in years. I disagree with you also that Hogan vs. Triple H was "God-awful". (I assume you talking about backlash post wrestlemania 18) I think they both performed well. It was a good story leading up to the match, the only problem I had was Jericho and Taker's involvment in the match. That's no one's fault except the booking team. |
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Post by Splattercat on Nov 22, 2006 14:54:36 GMT -5
One thing about Triple H...Ever notice that whenever Rock did something, Triple H followed..? They both won the IC title about the same time...Rock goes on to win the World Title, Triple H wins the World Title...Rock wins the World Title 6 more times, Triple H wins the World Title 6 more times...Rock becomes a Movie Star, Triple H...Well, tried...You get the idea... I'm sure if Rock didn't go Hollywood, he would be in his 11th (or more) World Title reign as we speak...And as always, Triple H would be right there on his coat tails...I'm betting Triple H couldn't wait to get out of that particular shadow.... I think the movie thing was more of a coincidence Cat. I don't think that he tried to become a movie star because Rock did it. I think it was more along the lines of, it was a good opportunity for Triple H. I'm sure he would have done it whether or not The Rock did it. I don't know if Triple H was "riding Rock's coat-tails" is fair. They both put each other over and they happened to be championship matches. Again, whether Rock won the title 6 times, 8 times or only 1 time, I think Triple H's title reigns would have happened nonetheless. Riding his coat-tails is a mean way to say that Rock effectively paved the way for him...My opinion I guess...It's why we used to call their feud the "manlove" because it lasted forever...Everywhere Rock went, Triple H was soon to follow... It sucks that Rock isn't around...if there's one guy that no-one gets bored of..... |
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Post by Highway61Revisited on Nov 23, 2006 11:25:17 GMT -5
Here's the funny thing: I clearly like Triple H's work. Surprised no one mentioned Trips/HBK/Benoit at WM as an example of his post-quad goodness. Watched this yesterday because I hadn't seen it in forever. Didn't do much for me. The sections when Benoit wasn't involved were pretty boring, Shawn actually looked better than usual, Trips is just such a boring working. Everything came off extremely contrived and the sections with just HHH/HBK were some of the worst I've ever seen in a WWE main event. Benoit winning was a great markout moment and the finishing sequence was OK, the match itself, however, wasn't really good. |
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