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Post by madacapa on May 25, 2006 14:26:18 GMT -5
Once again, you are wrong PhD. Eric Bishoff would be a great on air personality for TNA. I personally place most of the blame on Vince Russo and Hulk Hogan for the fall of WCW.
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Post by GalactiKing on May 25, 2006 14:43:31 GMT -5
If they hired Bischoff, it would be interesting to see if they let him do any booking. He's a good on-air personality, but I'm not sure how he'd fit in. I'd rather see Cornette personally.
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Post by PureHatred on May 25, 2006 15:05:41 GMT -5
. I personally place most of the blame on Vince Russo and Hulk Hogan for the fall of WCW. Yeah..you'd be wrong again, then. Russo took over a company that had already seen a 50% decrease in its rating. He didn't help, but you could argue that there was nothing he could do to turn things around. Hogan (and any other talent witrh creative control) only used the power that WCW gave him. All of those contracts were basically rubber stamped by EB and he never HAD to cave in to Hogan's demands. He had options. Hogan abused his power and influence, but who gave him that power in the first place? |
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Post by Splattercat on May 25, 2006 15:47:00 GMT -5
What TNA needs is Tony Schiavone as the third guy on the annouce team...  |
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Post by Bazzy on May 27, 2006 3:53:33 GMT -5
I have read in English wrestling magazine that Eric is still under contract to the WWE . He is soon working to release his Autobiography .If this is so , expect him to return to WWE screens , so he can plug his book .
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Post by daytondave on May 27, 2006 7:11:53 GMT -5
All I can say is... I don't think TNA is big enough for both Bischoff and Cornette to peacefully co-exist... and I would put my money on Cornette any day of the week.
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Post by canadianpittbull on May 28, 2006 10:18:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I would rather see Bischoff back on RAW and Cornette most definatly needs to be in TNA he can really help get things focussed and help get wrestling back to where it should be in the first place. TNA could be the beginnings or a throwback to the classic NWA/AWA and other territorial wrestling. Cornette knows his stuff.
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Post by Mr. Jimmyface on May 28, 2006 11:34:32 GMT -5
Pittbull, with all due respect, you cannot succeed in this business by going backward. To revisit AWA/NWA or the territory system will only result in failure. Nothing in business ever works when you deliberately go backwards in your thinking or approach. While it is good to acknowledge the contributions of earlier wrestlers and systems, the only way you make an impact is to emerge from that tradition with your own brand of excitement. And TNA is starting to develop their own style. If Cornette is smart (and I think he really is), he will help TNA continue to evolve their product, and not retard it by locking into old formulas.
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Post by BrianU on May 28, 2006 11:50:51 GMT -5
If TNA has 2 working braincells, avoiding Bischoff would be wise. He will bring very little as an on air foil for a face. And watching him trade verbal jabs with Larry Z sounds pretty boring.
As a creative mind, oh brother. I am sure he will want to bring back Hogan and his gang of over the hill no talent bums, and push the old codgers. And watch the X Division get flushed down the big white bowl, Bischoff likes big rasslers in the main event and little guys are just filler.
Please, please keep that goof away from the Impact Zone.
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Post by PureHatred on May 28, 2006 12:43:12 GMT -5
Pittbull, with all due respect, you cannot succeed in this business by going backward. To revisit AWA/NWA or the territory system will only result in failure. Nothing in business ever works when you deliberately go backwards in your thinking or approach. While it is good to acknowledge the contributions of earlier wrestlers and systems, the only way you make an impact is to emerge from that tradition with your own brand of excitement. And TNA is starting to develop their own style. If Cornette is smart (and I think he really is), he will help TNA continue to evolve their product, and not retard it by locking into old formulas. Great post. Only the old-school wrestling fans would be interested in a return to territoires. TNA has to try to establish its product and appeal to a broader audience. |
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Post by canadianpittbull on May 28, 2006 13:46:37 GMT -5
I think you misinterpreted my meaning. I said COULD, could being the operative word, having a solid foot in the classic matches of yore and then the other foot moving forward is what will make TNA succeed. If TNA becomes Sports Entertainment then wrestling as we know it in a mass media format will be truly dead.
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Post by Joe on May 28, 2006 15:59:21 GMT -5
I think you misinterpreted my meaning. I said COULD, could being the operative word, having a solid foot in the classic matches of yore and then the other foot moving forward is what will make TNA succeed. If TNA becomes Sports Entertainment then wrestling as we know it in a mass media format will be truly dead. How is TNA such a pure form of wrestling? The only reason anybody says that is because TNA has such god-awful people writing their angles and downright terrible people delivering them. Pure wrestling, huh? I guess the following are a throwback to the days of Strangler Lewis and Joe Stecker: -B.G. James with a pillow in his shirt talking for ten minutes while Billy Gunn puts on Black face and a bald cap to mock the Dudleys. A segment that culminated with Mr. A** crotch-chopping and saying "Whammo." Who in the hell says whammo? -A ridiculous angle that goes nowhere between Larry Zbyszko and a referee in shorts. -Scott Steiner's corny promos that actually resemble the thing Luger did where he lost control of the English language and screamed about his shirt being too tight. -A six-sided ring. -A feud that culminates with two men, one of whom was so old he probably jobbed to Lewis and Stecker, arm-wrestling in a cage. -An regular event that features guys climbing around on a cable trying to pull an 'X' down. -A champion being stalked and nearly drowned by his challenger. -A has-been and his family being stalked and videotaped in their everyday lives by a wanna-be filmmaker. -An interview series with Kevin Nash, who explains why he is the most successful man in the history of sports entertainment. Face it, TNA is sports entertainment, too. It just doesn't really excel at the entertaining part. |
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Post by gatekeeper on May 28, 2006 18:18:10 GMT -5
Awesome post Joe.
AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT! Joe is right, everyone sees TNA as this throw back, no-nonsense, pure wrestling.
People said that about ECW, too and it was trying to be WWE but with every match being a hardcore match.
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Post by canadianpittbull on May 28, 2006 18:27:25 GMT -5
Now why is it that everytime Joe says something Gatekeeper is right there to follow up....Maybe we should change Joe's name to the Keymaster? Hehe. ;D Eitherway the TNA vs. WWE debacle is soo old...that argument got tired long ago. Lets move forward. |
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Post by steelthunder814 on May 28, 2006 18:51:11 GMT -5
Well still TNA is better the curling...I think!
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Post by Chewey on May 28, 2006 19:01:07 GMT -5
hey man, don't knock curling! I watched the U.S. men's team win the bronze medal this year, and the skip, Pete Fenson, is the man!
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Post by steelthunder814 on May 28, 2006 19:04:45 GMT -5
lol I was jk but whats the deal with those brooms?
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Post by Splattercat on May 28, 2006 19:06:17 GMT -5
How is TNA such a pure form of wrestling? The only reason anybody says that is because TNA has such god-awful people writing their angles and downright terrible people delivering them. Pure wrestling, huh? I guess the following are a throwback to the days of Strangler Lewis and Joe Stecker: -B.G. James with a pillow in his shirt talking for ten minutes while Billy Gunn puts on Black face and a bald cap to mock the Dudleys. A segment that culminated with Mr. A** crotch-chopping and saying "Whammo." Who in the hell says whammo? -A ridiculous angle that goes nowhere between Larry Zbyszko and a referee in shorts. -Scott Steiner's corny promos that actually resemble the thing Luger did where he lost control of the English language and screamed about his shirt being too tight. -A six-sided ring. -A feud that culminates with two men, one of whom was so old he probably jobbed to Lewis and Stecker, arm-wrestling in a cage. -An regular event that features guys climbing around on a cable trying to pull an 'X' down. -A champion being stalked and nearly drowned by his challenger. -A has-been and his family being stalked and videotaped in their everyday lives by a wanna-be filmmaker. -An interview series with Kevin Nash, who explains why he is the most successful man in the history of sports entertainment. Face it, TNA is sports entertainment, too. It just doesn't really excel at the entertaining part. Let's see if I can't hit some of these...  "-B.G. James with a pillow in his shirt talking for ten minutes while Billy Gunn puts on Black face and a bald cap to mock the Dudleys. A segment that culminated with Mr. A** crotch-chopping and saying "Whammo." Who in the hell says whammo?" They got away with it with DX...Like, 4 times...No-one complained then...  "-A ridiculous angle that goes nowhere between Larry Zbyszko and a referee in shorts." I got nothing... "-Scott Steiner's corny promos that actually resemble the thing Luger did where he lost control of the English language and screamed about his shirt being too tight." The only part I don't like about Steiner's Promos is the "I SNAP" part...I like angry Steiner...You never really know when he's going to fire Borash through the back of the set... "-A six-sided ring." it's new, it's there, it's not going away...Get used to it... "-A feud that culminates with two men, one of whom was so old he probably jobbed to Lewis and Stecker, arm-wrestling in a cage." I was against that from the beginning...I was never a big fan of Bulet Bob getting on camera...Kinda like....Chavo Sr...? "-An regular event that features guys climbing around on a cable trying to pull an 'X' down." When it works, and the X doesn't fall prematurely, it's a cool match to watch, BUT...it's a Spotfest...if you don't like Spotfests, you won't like the match... When it doesn't work, and the X falls gracefully into the waiting hands of Petey Williams...It's even Better..!! ;D "-A champion being stalked and nearly drowned by his challenger." Or a Champion being dragged behind the Challenger's motorcycle...Or the Champion's recently deceased Father's coffin being dragged behind a moving vehicle (driven by the Challenger) with the Champion riding on top... "-A has-been and his family being stalked and videotaped in their everyday lives by a wanna-be filmmaker." Some of the things that Shelley said during that were kinda funny though...overall, I'm not sure I like the "outside the arena" real life segments like that either...The Paparrazzi cam kinda gets out of hand... "-An interview series with Kevin Nash, who explains why he is the most successful man in the history of sports entertainment." Dude, it's Kevin Nash...I suppose if HBK said it you'd believe it too..? Didn't think so.... "Face it, TNA is sports entertainment, too. It just doesn't really excel at the entertaining part." The reason TNA is more of a "Wrestling" show is because they aren't afraid to say they are a wrestling show...not the least reason is that they don't limit the moves the wrestlers are allowed to use...Rhino does a Piledriver off the top rope for (whoever)'s sake...But in WWE you're not even allowed to do a Death Valley Driver... On a side note, I believe WWE's injury list currently outstrips TNA's by a considerable margin...This is of course Work schedule related, but still...They limit all these dangerous moves and they're still getting injured... Anyway, that's how I feel on the subject... |
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Post by PureHatred on May 28, 2006 19:22:21 GMT -5
Joe was 100% right. TNA is sports-entertainment. they just try to put more of a foocus on the sports part.
The company that is closest to being a pure wrestling company is ROH..and even they realized they hit a ceiling as far as their appeal went and started adding more intricate storylines. Heck, their best work might arguable be this CZW/ROH thing.
Territories are dead. If a company wants to have any sort of national presence its going to need to have a team of writers to create characters and storylines to work them in.
And finally...just like splattercat, I like angry Steiner. Actually, I LOVE angry Steiner. His best run inthe WCW came when he was being insane and out of control. Add in the fact that backstage he REALLY WAS insane and out of control and you've got a MONSTER HEEL.
C'mon..a giant roided up a-hole wearing a chain mail hood and calling himself 'big bad booty daddy' who might potentially snap and kill everybody? This is exactly what makes him worth watching. This is the Steiner i was hoping would show up in the WWE.
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Post by PureHatred on May 28, 2006 19:25:44 GMT -5
As for the moves ting: can't even take that seriously becasue,a syou pointed out, they tape twice a month. Not the same thing. they don't have to perform those moves night in and night out.
now..sime will say, "Well what about the indy dates?" Fine. Somenody show me one of these flippy guiys who have wreslted iunto their 30s and 40s..I just odn't think the body can take that much punishment over the long haul and if you are just a spot wrestler, you're carerr will probably be noticeably shorter than if you wrestle the safer WWE style.
Don't get me wrong..I want the E to let the cruisers go all out for TV tapings and PPVs (since that's usually their best chance of getting over) but there's a lot to be said for the safe style in the loing haul.
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