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Post by gatekeeper on Feb 27, 2006 7:07:12 GMT -5
If the NWA means nothing, then explain why Dan Severn is in LOW, when his ONLY major claim to fame as a wrestler was his mutilple NWA title reigns. No, his claim to fame is that he was in WWF for about 5 minutes. That's the only reason people know who he is. |
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Post by gatekeeper on Feb 27, 2006 9:20:36 GMT -5
Hawk,
You basically proved my point. If TNA doesn't own the NWA title, then why use it? They don't need it to add credibility to its organization.
The casual fan doesn't go around and say, "Well, I wasn't going to watch TNA, but they have the NWA title, so now I will."
Actually, this is probably confusing to the casual fan, which is what most wrestling is geared towards. The hardcore fan will be there regardless of what you call the belt.
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Post by Chewey on Feb 27, 2006 10:03:52 GMT -5
Actually, this is probably confusing to the casual fan, which is what most wrestling is geared towards. The hardcore fan will be there regardless of what you call the belt. WCW sure was confusing in the early 90s when they had a separate WCW title and NWA title. I was glad when WCW left NWA and merged the WCW International title (their name for what used to be NWA title) with their other WCW World title. And I've got to stick up for Gatekeeper. He's not even necessarily saying anything negative about TNA, he's just making a good-faith discussion about why TNA needs the NWA, same as when WCW asked itself the same question in the early 90s. |
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Post by Mike M on Feb 27, 2006 10:28:04 GMT -5
Here is the way that I look at things:
1. The NWA Title is a "real" title that is currently being held by Christian Cage.
2. The NWA Title is distinct from the WCW Title (and therefore the unified WWE/WCW Title) because Ric Flair was stripped of the belt by the NWA back in 199-whatever.
3. The NWA Title has been won and defended by a succession of wrestlers cuminating in Christian Cage.
4. Ric Flair (who was never defeated for the NWA Title) defended his WCW Title and it was held and defended regularly until WWE staged a WCW/WWF Title unification four-man tournament (that included both champions), which was ultimately won by Chris Jericho.
5. That title was then won by Triple H, who lost it to Hogan who lost it to Taker who lost it to The Rock who lost it to Lesner.
6. Lesner went exclusive to Smackdown. This title was regularly defended and is now in the hands of John Cena on Raw.
7. WWE took the old WCW title out of mothballs and gave it to Trips. The World Heavyweight Championship is now held by Kurt Angle on Smackdown.
In boxing (where the sanctioning bodies are even more confusing that wrestling), there are 2 types of champions. The first is the man who holds a physical belt. The second is the man who has beaten THE champion for a belt (and sometimes not even that).
Boxing now recognizes at least 3-4 "big" world titles (WBC, WBA, IBF and maybe the WBO). However, at almost every weight class there is 1 true champion that is recognized by historians, Ring Magazine, and the public due to who they beat for the title and who they defended it against (and who they haven't). When Lennox Lewis gave up 2 of his 3 title belts, did "real" fans say he wasn't the world champ anymore? Of course not. BECAUSE NO ONE BEAT HIM. Things became more confusing when he retired, and you can argue about who is the world champ now. But wrestling is different, as champions are rarely allowed to retire with the belt.
Ultimately, everyone is right here. Floyd, Hawk and Steviec2k5 are right that the NWA exists as a seperate sanctioning body and they have the right to recognize their own heavyweight champ (and any other champ) in any way they chose. They could have the wrestlers play COTG for the belts, and that wouldn't change the fact that it was the NWA title.
Whoever said that Swarm was wrong about who the WCW champion is, they're probably right, since Cena holds the "undisputed" WWE Title. I guess that you could argue that Bischoff represented the WCW sanctioning body and stripped the title from Brock, so maybe everyone's right here.
Gatekeeper's right that the WCW/NWA mess is confusing to the casual fan. Moreover, the WCW title's shared lineage with the NWA version gives both belts the same "credibility" at the time of the split. In the interim, I doubt that most would argue that the WCW title was more prestigious (David Arquette notwithstanding). The WCW title was then unified with the WWE title.
While the NWA Champion (Cage) has every right to claim the lineage of Thesz, Flair, Dusty, et al.... so does the WWE Champion. WWE doesn't do that for legal/political reasons. But in some ways, the WWE Title is MORE prestigious since it can claim the "old" NWA title lineage (up to Flair being stripped by NWA but not WCW) as well as the WWE Title lineage dating back to Buddy Rogers (I think).
Bottom line, this is a muddled subject. If I was publishing a wrestling magazine in the old Bill Apter tradition, I would list Cage, Angle and Cena as champions (plus potentially other champions from around the world like Lesner). They ALL are what they say they are. That being said, Cage would rank 3rd (or maybe lower behind the Japanese belts) behind the others in terms of credibility.
For the record, I TiVo Raw, Smackdown and Impact every week and watch all of them. I would definitely like to see TNA become a major competitor to WWE- but they're not there yet.
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Post by swarm on Feb 27, 2006 10:48:56 GMT -5
Look...
1) I really appreciate the monster posts LWPD, Stevie2k5, and others are dedicating thier lives to right now trying to convince me I'm wrong here...
it's amazing you would put this much time and effort into someone you clearly dis-like (me)...
and Hawk...watching you freak out like this is price-less...thank you...it's hilarious...
2) I'm not saying that factually you aren't all correct...that was never my point...
others have seen that (Purehatred, aaron) and I'm not sure why you can't also...
I don't care what anyone says...based on TV story-lines, Kurt Angle is NWA Champion, and Christian is TNA Champion...
that's it.
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Post by PureHatred on Feb 27, 2006 10:58:55 GMT -5
This a board about COTG, LOW, and the other feds. If the NWA means nothing, then explain why Dan Severn is in LOW, when his ONLY major claim to fame as a wrestler was his mutilple NWA title reigns. That in and of itself is a ridiculous argument. There are plenty of guys in LOW that I wouldn't call 'LEGENDS' and using a board game to justify a company's relative prestige......  gatekeeper said it best: the reason that Dan Severn has any name recognition whatsoever is that he was in the WWF for a hot second and he used to be in UFC. Personally, I had no idea he even held the NWA title until I read that tile history I posted. |
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Post by LWPD on Feb 27, 2006 11:46:27 GMT -5
Son the only effort I'd ever put into you these days is to laugh at you. I thank you for entertaining me by making a bigger fool of yourself in this thread than usual. I even warned the others in my second 'post script' that educating you is a waste...I've been there and done that! Anything I've posted has been for the benefit of others curious to learn or exchange pro wres info. If anyone picked up anything new or now understands things in a more comprehensive way then that's cool. That is after all why most of us actually use this board.
Like Watching Paint Dry (who long since lost interest in publicly spanking Swarm for his trolling)
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Post by swarm on Feb 27, 2006 11:52:58 GMT -5
Son the only effort I'd ever put into you these days is to laugh at you. clearly your insanely long posts about nothing I care about would prove otherwise... |
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Post by gatekeeper on Feb 27, 2006 12:00:06 GMT -5
Son the only effort I'd ever put into you these days is to laugh at you. I thank you for entertaining me by making a bigger fool of yourself in this thread than usual. I even warned the others in my second 'post script' that educating you is a waste...I've been there and done that! Anything I've posted has been for the benefit of others curious to learn or exchange pro wres info. If anyone picked up anything new or now understands things in a more comprehensive way then that's cool. That is after all why most of us actually use this board.
Like Watching Paint Dry (who long since lost interest in publicly spanking Swarm for his trolling)
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Post by hawk on Feb 27, 2006 17:46:08 GMT -5
This a board about COTG, LOW, and the other feds. That in and of itself is a ridiculous argument. There are plenty of guys in LOW that I wouldn't call 'LEGENDS' and using a board game to justify a company's relative Buuuullllshit. Everyone hypes up LOW here, and it's built to recognize wrestlers abilities and achievements in wrestling. Dan Severns ONLY achievement in wrestling was the NWA World Heavyweight title. It doesn't matter if you knew about it or not, the fact is, he was a good champion for many years defending it around the GLOBE. I've seen Dan Severn footage defending the title and he was widely respected for both his legit skills, and his ability to be a good pro-wrestler. THAT is his claim to fame, and if his LOW card is based solely on his WWF run, then that is pretty pathetic. This whole argument basicly constitutes if you're too ignorant to see a distinction between a governing body, and a organization. Thats all this is. Everyone who says "Well casual fans don't know!" explain to me why I knew the difference when I was TEN? When WCW THEMSELVES had the NWA World TItle, and the WCW World Title, then basicly admited on live TV that the NWA Pulled out so they renamed it the International Title. Am I the only one who remembers these things? If casual fans don't know, then why the HELL does my Uncle know the distinction? He doesn't read anything online, he still thinks it's real, but he knows the difference between the NWA and WCW. If that says anything, then it says it's NOT A HARD CONCEPT. The NWA World title is probably the most important title in wrestling history. People grew up dreaming of one day holding it, and people still do to this day thanks to TNA. If you are too close minded to have seen NWA title footage without a big two there to hold your hand, thats fine, but it still makes you wrong in this debate. I've seen it, so I know that title was still loved internationally if not in the US. The title has ALWAYS meant something to wrestling fans. If you think you have to have national TV, or pyro, or anything of that sort to actually have any relance to wrestling then I feel sorry for you, because you're always going to stuck in a little closed off circle being force fed. |
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Post by gatekeeper on Feb 27, 2006 18:06:41 GMT -5
Well if you think of Dan Severn as a 'Legend' then I feel sorry for you. He was a great Ultimate Fighter but he's not a wrestling legend.
The LOW is not legends, it's basically any real wrestler that Tom can get. And that's great because name recognition is what LOW is about. I mean Koko B. Ware, a legend? C'mon now. If we're calling Koko a legend, then we're misusing the term.
You know, if you were 10 and realized that there was a distinct difference with the whole WCW/NWA thing --- great. But when I was a kid, WWF is what everyone watched. I'd try to catch the JCP version of NWA on TBS, if I did -- cool, if not--- oh well. I think this is what many are saying by "casual fan."
Once the JCP became WCW, the NWA was basically worthless. Again like Joe, Swarm, and PureHatred wrote, that most fans see the group that became WCW as the old NWA so then they see McMahon buy it out and that's where the confusion sets in. I don't see why you're getting so worked up Hawk.
You can shout in capital letters all you want, but Turner bought the only part of NWA that was worth anything, and now Vince owns it.
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Post by swarm on Feb 27, 2006 18:09:14 GMT -5
This a board about COTG, LOW, and the other feds. That in and of itself is a ridiculous argument. There are plenty of guys in LOW that I wouldn't call 'LEGENDS' and using a board game to justify a company's relative Buuuullllshit. Everyone hypes up LOW here, and it's built to recognize wrestlers abilities and achievements in wrestling. Dan Severns ONLY achievement in wrestling was the NWA World Heavyweight title. It doesn't matter if you knew about it or not, the fact is, he was a good champion for many years defending it around the GLOBE. I've seen Dan Severn footage defending the title and he was widely respected for both his legit skills, and his ability to be a good pro-wrestler. THAT is his claim to fame, and if his LOW card is based solely on his WWF run, then that is pretty pathetic. This whole argument basicly constitutes if you're too ignorant to see a distinction between a governing body, and a organization. Thats all this is. Everyone who says "Well casual fans don't know!" explain to me why I knew the difference when I was TEN? When WCW THEMSELVES had the NWA World TItle, and the WCW World Title, then basicly admited on live TV that the NWA Pulled out so they renamed it the International Title. Am I the only one who remembers these things? If casual fans don't know, then why the HELL does my Uncle know the distinction? He doesn't read anything online, he still thinks it's real, but he knows the difference between the NWA and WCW. If that says anything, then it says it's NOT A HARD CONCEPT. The NWA World title is probably the most important title in wrestling history. People grew up dreaming of one day holding it, and people still do to this day thanks to TNA. If you are too close minded to have seen NWA title footage without a big two there to hold your hand, thats fine, but it still makes you wrong in this debate. I've seen it, so I know that title was still loved internationally if not in the US. The title has ALWAYS meant something to wrestling fans. If you think you have to have national TV, or pyro, or anything of that sort to actually have any relance to wrestling then I feel sorry for you, because you're always going to stuck in a little closed off circle being force fed. what's "buuulllshiit" is that you think some tin-can title being "leased" by some flea-circus fed is more important than any WWE Title... |
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Post by PureHatred on Feb 27, 2006 18:16:15 GMT -5
This a board about COTG, LOW, and the other feds. That in and of itself is a ridiculous argument. There are plenty of guys in LOW that I wouldn't call 'LEGENDS' and using a board game to justify a company's relative Buuuullllshit. Everyone hypes up LOW here, and it's built to recognize wrestlers abilities and achievements in wrestling. Dan Severns ONLY achievement in wrestling was the NWA World Heavyweight title. It doesn't matter if you knew about it or not, the fact is, he was a good champion for many years defending it around the GLOBE. I've seen Dan Severn footage defending the title and he was widely respected for both his legit skills, and his ability to be a good pro-wrestler. THAT is his claim to fame, and if his LOW card is based solely on his WWF run, then that is pretty pathetic. This whole argument basicly constitutes if you're too ignorant to see a distinction between a governing body, and a organization. Thats all this is. Everyone who says "Well casual fans don't know!" explain to me why I knew the difference when I was TEN? When WCW THEMSELVES had the NWA World TItle, and the WCW World Title, then basicly admited on live TV that the NWA Pulled out so they renamed it the International Title. Am I the only one who remembers these things? If casual fans don't know, then why the HELL does my Uncle know the distinction? He doesn't read anything online, he still thinks it's real, but he knows the difference between the NWA and WCW. If that says anything, then it says it's NOT A HARD CONCEPT. The NWA World title is probably the most important title in wrestling history. People grew up dreaming of one day holding it, and people still do to this day thanks to TNA. If you are too close minded to have seen NWA title footage without a big two there to hold your hand, thats fine, but it still makes you wrong in this debate. I've seen it, so I know that title was still loved internationally if not in the US. The title has ALWAYS meant something to wrestling fans. If you think you have to have national TV, or pyro, or anything of that sort to actually have any relance to wrestling then I feel sorry for you, because you're always going to stuck in a little closed off circle being force fed. Dude, you are one step away from sitting in the bleachers of a high school gym and crying about how "IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!!!" C'mon...Jeff Bagwell? Konnan? Danny Doring? These boards are just these boards and people love Tom and LOW, but that doesn't mean that every guy in the game is a somebody. There's a big difference between the hardcore wrestling freaks and the general wrestling audience. if you don't get that, you need to take a step back. Because nobody in their right mind is growing up dreaming of being the champion of a "governing body" that holds it's shows at the county fair. Get this through your head: wrestling is a work. the organization with the most viewers, the biggest buyrates, and the biggest pay-outs is by definition the most important. And once TNA dumps the NWA name then the "NWA title" will be as prestigious as the piece of terry cloth I use to cinch up my batchrobe. |
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Post by hawk on Feb 27, 2006 21:34:57 GMT -5
Great, personal attacks. Continue to devalue yourselves in this argument you only make my job easier continually shoving your words down your throats.
Gatekeeper: You proved that you are nothing but a WWF mark by saying you didn't care about getting NWA. What to YOU was a second class, was first class in many people's eyes including my own. It does not matter if Turner bought the biggest NWA fed out. It doesn't prove your argument at all. Hell, your not even TRYING to argue your point anymore. You aren't even doing anything but trying to inflame me.
The NWA title is THEE longest running championship in wrestling. Fact.
It is owned by the NWA, which is and of itself a governing body much like boxing has. Fact.
Ted Turner bought the biggest of the NWA federations at that time. Fact.
NWA continued to exist up till now in many federations around the globe. Fact.
Ted Turner had the NWA title in WCW until they took it away. Fact.
NWA has leased the NWA World title to TNA as a mutual gain partnership. Fact.
TNA does not own the title. Fact.
You cannot refute any of those. Your argument is over. Dead. done. You've got nothing but opinions that are worthless in this argument. It doesn't matter WHAT the fuck Joe Mark thought, these are facts based upon actual events and not some imaginary world. When you can come up with facts to base your argument on then you might have some footing. As it is, you got nothing.
Purehatred: Ahhh...More pointless bashing. Fun. I know from years of debate offline and online, that once someone resorts to personal attacks, they don't have any firm stance. You done played your hand. Not once in this entire thing have I attacked anyone, beyond calling their argument weak, and idiotic, which this entire thing has been. You also have no proof so you use subjecture and insults to make up an entire post. Good job! Way to go!
Koko B.Ware was known throughout the entire United States, and was at one time one of the star black wrestlers in the United States. Danny Doring held the ECW Tag titles, and was insanely over in the Northeast with Roadkill. Konnan has drawn more money in Mexico then just about 99% of all the North American wrestlers. Bagwell was one of the most popular wrestlers in the United States at one point, and held multiple championships in WCW.
Every wrestler IN LOW has done something with their career. Period. By saying that Dan Severn made it only because of his UFC days, and his WWF stay you are considerably underestimating what he achieved, devaluing the people in LOW, and have devalued your argument to it's most basic principles.
The fact is, you two aren't even arguing what this was all about. TNA does not have a world title, they have the NWA World Heavyweight title. Beyond the WWE title, thee most respected North American World title in history, and I know that some historians would even argue that it means more due to it's insanely long history. You have resorted to personal insults instead of a clear argument, clearly saying you've lost. Pack it in, or get something more then opinions, or this is done.
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Post by PureHatred on Feb 27, 2006 23:28:36 GMT -5
Great, personal attacks. Continue to devalue yourselves in this argument you only make my job easier continually shoving your words down your throats. Gatekeeper: You proved that you are nothing but a WWF mark by saying you didn't care about getting NWA. What to YOU was a second class, was first class in many people's eyes including my own. It does not matter if Turner bought the biggest NWA fed out. It doesn't prove your argument at all. Hell, your not even TRYING to argue your point anymore. You aren't even doing anything but trying to inflame me. The NWA title is THEE longest running championship in wrestling. Fact. It is owned by the NWA, which is and of itself a governing body much like boxing has. Fact. Ted Turner bought the biggest of the NWA federations at that time. Fact. NWA continued to exist up till now in many federations around the globe. Fact. Ted Turner had the NWA title in WCW until they took it away. Fact. NWA has leased the NWA World title to TNA as a mutual gain partnership. Fact. TNA does not own the title. Fact. You cannot refute any of those. Your argument is over. Dead. done. You've got nothing but opinions that are worthless in this argument. It doesn't matter WHAT the [censored] Joe Mark thought, these are facts based upon actual events and not some imaginary world. When you can come up with facts to base your argument on then you might have some footing. As it is, you got nothing. Purehatred: Ahhh...More pointless bashing. Fun. I know from years of debate offline and online, that once someone resorts to personal attacks, they don't have any firm stance. You done played your hand. Not once in this entire thing have I attacked anyone, beyond calling their argument weak, and idiotic, which this entire thing has been. You also have no proof so you use subjecture and insults to make up an entire post. Good job! Way to go! Koko B.Ware was known throughout the entire United States, and was at one time one of the star black wrestlers in the United States. Danny Doring held the ECW Tag titles, and was insanely over in the Northeast with Roadkill. Konnan has drawn more money in Mexico then just about 99% of all the North American wrestlers. Bagwell was one of the most popular wrestlers in the United States at one point, and held multiple championships in WCW. Every wrestler IN LOW has done something with their career. Period. By saying that Dan Severn made it only because of his UFC days, and his WWF stay you are considerably underestimating what he achieved, devaluing the people in LOW, and have devalued your argument to it's most basic principles. The fact is, you two aren't even arguing what this was all about. TNA does not have a world title, they have the NWA World Heavyweight title. Beyond the WWE title, thee most respected North American World title in history, and I know that some historians would even argue that it means more due to it's insanely long history. You have resorted to personal insults instead of a clear argument, clearly saying you've lost. Pack it in, or get something more then opinions, or this is done. The only reason that anyone resorted to personal bashing is that in your own insanity to drive home the FACTS of your historical data you are ignoring the point that I and I believe gatekeeper and Swarm were trying to make: That regardless of the fact that all your historical data is totally and completely accurate, the NWA was an obscure footnote for almost a decade. Wrestling IS NOT boxing. If the vast majority of prospective viewers don't even know you exist then IT DOES make a difference. Swarm is doing it mockingly, but you know damn well that there's a huge chunk of the viewers (viewers who watch shows, attend live events, and buy PPVs) who have no clue as to the history of the NWA/WCW. Now you can play the role of the know-it-all wrestling elitist and tell us how you were a 10 year old wrestling trivia prodigy and how you knew the history of the NWA before you did long division (very impressive, BTW) but I'm sure you realize that you are a tiny, tiny minority. You can sit there and make fun of Joe Mark all you want, but promoters love him; he pays the bills. Here, I'll make a neat little list to prove my point: FACT...historically, whenever the business is at its peak it is due to a huge influx of casual viewers, or as you so disdainfully put it: Joe Mark. FACT...Joe Mark had no idea the NWA and WCW were different entitiies. FACT..when the NWA and WCW had their falling out, Joe Mark continued to follow the WCW. Why? WCW had Fliar, Dusty, Sting, etc. And NWA had HISTORY AND PRESTIGE. Joe Mark couldn't care less...showing you that HISTORY AND PRESTIGE were pretty much worthless. FACT...for nearly 10 years Joe Mark had no clue NWA existed. FACT..since Joe Mark didn't know they existed, the NWA couldn't draw. They were a joke. This is the time where you rave about how they defended the belt all over the world.. Well, duh. One of the most common tricks of the promoting industry is to tour overseas whenever business gets slow here in the states. Even in its death bed, the WCW drew huge sell-out on its oversea tours..the NWA was defending its prestigious belt all over the world because they were playing to empty seats here in the US. [one of the points I keep coming back to is that WRESTLING IS A WORK. Lineage and history might mean something to the tiny cult of wrestling historians out there, but it doesn't mean shi t if you can't put butts in the seats. All that lineage did f u ck all for the AWA didn't it? But back to the list...] FACT...the loss of the NWA lineage had no adverse effect on the WCW. They went on to do record numbers. Joe Mark was watching wrestling in droves. None of them thought twice about the NWA. By most wrestling fans, this era is remembered rather fondly because of the quality of the programming and the competitiveness of the business. The NWA wasn't even a blip on the radar. FACT...sometime after the WWE bought out WCW, the Jarretts decided they needed the NWA name to give their fledgling company a little boost...name value to the hardcore wrestling fans (who they would cater to until they gained a real audience. i.e. Joe Mark and his friends) and it would give their roster a place to work and a chance to earn some house show money. FACT...At this point. the WWE is so far ahead of every other promotion in this country as far as their drawing power that they could introduce a title called the Pope John Paul Memorial Super Happy Terrific belt and it woukld be more prestigious than the NWA belt. No, not to you and your fellow wrestling braniacs Hawk. But to Joe Mark it is. And like I said, wrestling is a business and so Joe Mark counts. A lot. Promoters would trade you in a heartbeat for Joe Mark; he's easier to please. FACT...if TNA cuts its ties to the NWA, then the NWA will go back to being totally irrelevant with no national exposure whatsoever and an ever dwindling fanbase. So after all that, Hawk, I'm going to go ahead and once again agree that everytihng you said was factually true. But what difference does it make what the NWA title's history is if they end up playing in front of empty houses? What good does it do them if the only people who know about it are a tiny, tiny, shrinking minority of the viewing audience.? It makes no difference and it does them no good. |
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Post by gatekeeper on Feb 28, 2006 0:12:01 GMT -5
So then, basically the NWA is a bunch of whores - renting their titles out to the highest bidder. Wow! That makes them very prestigious! |
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Post by STEVIE~! on Feb 28, 2006 0:15:50 GMT -5
Ya know, I thought this whole argument was over whether or not Christian Cage was the NWA Heavyweight Champion.
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Post by floydthebarber on Feb 28, 2006 1:31:19 GMT -5
So...are you saying your all a bunch of 'Joe Marks' who don't give a sh*t...even though you've spent the last 3 + days trying to ram this opinion down everyone's throat in a section of the board you so obviously have contempt for?
You guys can believe what you want, and say what you want, but when others stand up and tell you your factually wrong, just take it like a man and go away. We know you don't care about TNA or the belt that is around Christian right now...but some do. If it offends you so much, write TNA a letter for f*cks sake!
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Post by gatekeeper on Feb 28, 2006 7:12:05 GMT -5
So...are you saying your all a bunch of 'Joe Marks' who don't give a sh*t...even though you've spent the last 3 + days trying to ram this opinion down everyone's throat in a section of the board you so obviously have contempt for? You guys can believe what you want, and say what you want, but when others stand up and tell you your factually wrong, just take it like a man and go away. We know you don't care about TNA or the belt that is around Christian right now...but some do. If it offends you so much, write TNA a letter for f*cks sake! As stated many times above, most people think that factually you are right, but whether or not Christian can be viewed the same as Ric Flair, people have a problem with. And, it's just a wrestling board so don't get your panties in such a bunch over all this, jeesh. Everyone gets so worked up, I don't get it. "Just go away" and "write TNA a letter", uuhhhh....no, how about that? Because like you said don't shove opinions down our throat, right? |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Feb 28, 2006 10:37:18 GMT -5
While I haven't been following this debate, I did want to step in and drop two points about the conduct in this thread, as I have received complaints:
1) Stop the personal attacks. That goes for both sides.
2) Stop ducking the swear filter. You are all mature enough to express your opinions without resorting to vulgarity.
With that being said, I think this conversation has stonewalled. Both sides have said their piece and neither is about to convince the other to change their mind. I'm not going to lock the thread, but unless you have something to post that isn't re-hashing an old point, I'd suggest that you just not bother.
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