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Post by ringsyde on Feb 12, 2006 23:48:54 GMT -5
Christian Cage beat Jeff Jarrett at tonight's ppv to become the new TNA heavywight champion. Normally, I would assume this means that the countdown to the next Jarrett title reign was on.
I have to admit that tonight's show felt like the beginning of something new. Time will tell.
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Post by Big Bri on Feb 13, 2006 0:27:49 GMT -5
Good for him. I hope TNA lets him keep it for more than a week.
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Post by pikemojo on Feb 13, 2006 1:21:53 GMT -5
Yeah I hope so too.
It would be cool if he and Rhino kinda teamed up for a while again. Then they could do a Diesel type thing where Rhino helps Christian keep the belt but then wants his own shot. This is probably just looking way too far into the future though.
Basically I hope they build some good feuds for him outside of Jeff Jarrett. A feud with Jarrett is fine but there needs to be more.
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Post by floydthebarber on Feb 13, 2006 1:52:42 GMT -5
I'd like to see Christian give JJ a taste of his own medicine and give him the cold shoulder when it comes time for a rematch. It would finally give JJ a reason to be pissed off all the time. I like the idea for Rhino, and with his win tonight, I'm sure he's at least in the NWA Title picture...and it is the NWA Title, not the TNA Title...TNA's Title is the X Title.
I for one am really happy for Christian, and hope that they at least let him run with the ball for a couple of months. A face v. face showdown with Sting ("You've still got it...") down the line would be pretty cool, as would Cage v. Abyss at some point. I think they have a lot of good options with Cage as Champion...
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Post by Bazzy on Feb 13, 2006 3:39:32 GMT -5
I agree ! , Christian has got to hold the belt long than they allowed Rhyno to hold it .
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Post by soug on Feb 13, 2006 4:18:39 GMT -5
we dont get TNA here...but Im glad Christian is the champ. i was always a fan.
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Post by gatekeeper on Feb 13, 2006 7:07:07 GMT -5
...and it is the NWA Title, not the TNA Title...TNA's Title is the X Title. What is the reason for this? I didn't start watching TNA when it 1st began and don't catch it every week, so I missed this one. |
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Post by sickman on Feb 13, 2006 10:04:16 GMT -5
Christians next opponent will probably be Monty Brown
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Post by Scott Fire on Feb 13, 2006 11:25:14 GMT -5
Christian deserves it big time. WWE really missed the boat the with him. I hope he hangs onto the belt for awhile. I'm tired of Jarrett always having the belt.
I personally would love to see Christian vs. Christopher Daniels. That would be great. Or Christian V. Abyss would be good to. No matter who he faces though I'm sure his reign will be entertaining.
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Post by pikemojo on Feb 13, 2006 13:14:53 GMT -5
...and it is the NWA Title, not the TNA Title...TNA's Title is the X Title. What is the reason for this? I didn't start watching TNA when it 1st began and don't catch it every week, so I missed this one. The NWA title is the same one that Ric Flair wore (supposedly/more or less). The NWA has continued to exist as sort of an umbrella organization for indy promotions. Dan Severn and Chris Candido were 2 people that held titles during that time. TNA decided to work under that NWA umbrella and use their titles. TNA signed an agreement that allowed them to use the NWA titles as they saw fit for a certain number of years. That is only the NWA World Title and Tag Titles. TNA decided to create the X-Division titles themselves so that title is theirs. You could probably find a better explanation than this but that a brief description from memory. |
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Post by myview on Feb 13, 2006 18:07:27 GMT -5
You can nit pick this pay-per-view all you want, but in MY VIEW this event tops Genesis which at the time was my favorite ppv from TNA. I knew right from the Pre-show that this was going to be a great show, and it WAS! Christian Cage is now and should be the face of TNA for 2006 and beyond, his next opponent should be Monty Brown. Like I said from the very beginning of the show I was pumped and TNA delivered a great show! Those who are down on TNA should see the replay, and if your still down on TNA well don't even bother watching it anymore... but your missing something great! TNA's future looks great!
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Post by swarm on Feb 13, 2006 20:55:24 GMT -5
not to be a prick but really where is the "glory" in being TNA Champion once you've been I-C Champ, and Tag Champ in the WWE?
isn't that kind of like Jose Canseco being the home-run king in a girls softball league?
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Feb 13, 2006 22:16:19 GMT -5
Well, if Christian hadn't been tag champ in a time in which there were actual tag matches going on, those belts would be utterly meaningless.
Point is, Christian isn't the TNA champ (as posted above) he's the NWA champ...a title with a slightly exaggerrated, but much longer lineage than...any belt in wrestling today?
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Post by JED-SE on Feb 13, 2006 23:55:43 GMT -5
not to be a prick but really where is the "glory" in being TNA Champion once you've been I-C Champ, and Tag Champ in the WWE? isn't that kind of like Jose Canseco being the home-run king in a girls softball league? I'd say more like Tommy Maddox being the MVP of the XFL...Someone else said "its the NWA Title, not the TNA title," so the title has some good history. However, Swarm brings up a great point. At this time, TNA is like a minor league, or compared to football, the XFL. Lots of stars in TNA are WWE rejects. Christian happens to be one of the exceptions to the rule. So is JJ. TNA could really benefit from JJ vs CC. This almost reminds me of WCW. Right before they became huge, the big feud (at least from my memory and I'm 26) was Steamboat vs Flair. Flair was the multi-time champ that did everything, especially cheating, in order to get the belt back. Steamboat was the former intercontinental champ from WWF that had all the tools to be the main babyface but couldn't because they had guys like Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage. The only difference is that Christian was a heel in WWE but he was cheered an awful lot. I hope that CC vs. JJ can help make TNA a true competitor to WWE, and CC and JJ are ligitimate main eventers the way Cena, Edge, HHH, Batista and Angle are. |
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Post by pikemojo on Feb 14, 2006 0:03:37 GMT -5
Well for right now it looks like TNA is choosing CC, JJ and Monty Brown as their main 3 World Title contenders. I would hope that Abyss would be added to that list. TNA needs a couple more names to help them out. Not old timers or supposed has beens but real names.
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Post by ringsyde on Feb 14, 2006 0:47:25 GMT -5
Several good points have been brought up in this thread:
* It is the NWA title, but the promotion has "promoted" itself and it's products as "TNA" brand. Also, I personally don't see any connection between the belt Christian wears and the one Ric Flair wore. The NWA still exists like Atari exists (for the uninclined, ATARI used to be THE name in videogames, but were summarily swept out of the public domain by Nintendo - the license and logo were bought by a French company that makes terrible games and promotes them as "from the father of videogaming"). It's the TNA title for all intents and purposes, regardless of whatever history is ascribed to it.
*That said, I think Christian winning this belt is infintely more significant than his I-C and tag wins in the WWE. As he said in a shoot that immediately followed the show "I'm somebody important enough to be recognized now." His WWE titles usually came because he was over as part of a group (not due to any individual efforts or performance - if so, he would still be in the WWE, and he would've had far more than I-C and tag belts to brag about right now), or he was never viewed as much more than a midcarder.
Sure, TNA is small, and it can't be considered competition to the WWE on any conceivable level. That said, it is the most successful indy promotion in the U.S. (I don't see any other promotion with a national TV deal, a monthly ppv and merchandise that can be purchased anywhere in the country, including toys, DVD's and an upcoming videogame), and Christian Cage sits atop the roster as its champ. This seems to be far more significant than holding tag belts during the dying days of tag wrestling or holding the I-C strap for a few weeks at a time because Booker T was injured and every legitimate main eventer refused it (seems Kane and the boys didn't want to lower themselves).
WWE certainly gave Christian greater exposure and a larger playing field, but I think the same can be said of the electronics department at Wal Mart. I'll take the smaller atmosphere and greater esteem of running a GameStop over being a lost cog in the giant Wal Mart wheel of life any day. I think Christian may be feeling the same way about TNA right now.
I'm no TNA / Christian fan, but I'll take the potential of Christian Cage versus Monty Brown, Christopher Daniels or Samoa Joe over the Boogey Man, the fire and lightning show that is the Undertaker, the over-exposed spirit of Eddie Guerrerro (I don't remember the man being utilized THIS MUCH when he was alive) and the tired "Vince versus (insert poor, afflicted face here) any day. I guess I just haven't bought into this notion that he with the most money and the best ratings is always right.
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Post by pikemojo on Feb 14, 2006 1:24:58 GMT -5
Well said.
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Post by floydthebarber on Feb 14, 2006 1:39:12 GMT -5
I've read a few places that even if TNA wasnt' an option, Christian was still set on leaving the WWE...so I don't think he's having any second thoughts right now. He made the decision to leave for the right reasons, and was willing to take a chance on himself and TNA, and so far you'd have to say he's making out alright...
As for the NWA/TNA belt, it is TNA's 'main' Title...but they almost always refer to it as the NWA World Title. I think this is the right way to go, as the NWA name carries a lot of cred, and TNA didn't do so bad with the Title it created for itself. If people want to call it the TNA Heavyweight Title, so be it...I'm calling it the NWA World Heavyweight Title...and I'm sure that's what Christian will be calling it too!
Nice points about TNA RingsYde...the Walmart annalogy is a good one. For as big as WWE is and as much money one can make working for them...there is something to be said about bad vibes in the locker room, constantly being misused, overlooked and treated like a circus performer wearing someone down.
Will The Rock or Stone Cold ever enter a TNA ring...99.99% no...BUT if things continue to develop, could we see a few more upper mid card stars (Shelton Benjamin...RVD...Chris Benoit) give TNA a try if they grow tired with WWE...maybe...and at this point, maybe isn't all that bad!
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Post by floydthebarber on Feb 14, 2006 1:44:39 GMT -5
As for the 'girls softball league' reference...I'd probably compare WWE and TNA like the old NHL/WHL or NBA v. ABA in the 70's. At first, the start up was seen as a 2nd class league...but then they started making a little money and buying players (Bobby Hull in WHL...Dr. J in ABA) and after a while, they became solid competition for the BIG leagues. So much so that both leagues (NHL & NBA) worked out deals to buy the other league and let some of the teams into their league.
Its a long way aways from that...but Christian and Sting are the first two 'big' signings...and we all know that if Vince got greedy/paranoid enough he'd try to buy out TNA just like he did WCW and ECW.
Lets give TNA 'SOME' credit ok?
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Post by MikeMcKinney on Feb 14, 2006 2:20:59 GMT -5
Its was a great PPV........solid matches all round.....
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