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Post by JimSteel on Nov 1, 2005 15:08:40 GMT -5
Nigel McGuinness has officially signed with TNA; he will debut later this month.
McGuinness, the ROH Pure Champion, has appeared on numerous OVW and WWE TV tapings.
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Post by swarm on Nov 1, 2005 17:44:10 GMT -5
Nigel McGuinness has officially signed with TNA; he will debut later this month. McGuinness, the ROH Pure Champion, has appeared on numerous OVW and WWE TV tapings. I've never seen the guy but let's hope unlike the rest of the x-division guys, this guy owns a gym membership. |
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Post by pikemojo on Nov 1, 2005 18:02:29 GMT -5
McGuiness is in great shape and wrestles a very technical British type style. Since he is an X divisioner he is not huge but he definitely works out. I have been impressed with him every time I have seen him.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Nov 1, 2005 20:31:00 GMT -5
C'mon, the flagship guy in the X Division isn't exactly a 90 lb weakling...some guys can only get sooo big, though...especially without basically having to alter their entire wrestling style...(which doesn't have as much to do with their ability to construct a match as some of you think)...
WWE has bland, personality deficient genetic specimens who all only do the same three moves...the X Division has bland, personality deficient little guys who do at least know - and use - multiple moves.
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Post by gwffantrav on Nov 1, 2005 22:09:03 GMT -5
LOL..good point Tommy
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Post by swarm on Nov 1, 2005 22:19:44 GMT -5
C'mon, the flagship guy in the X Division isn't exactly a 90 lb weakling...some guys can only get sooo big, though...especially without basically having to alter their entire wrestling style...(which doesn't have as much to do with their ability to construct a match as some of you think)... WWE has bland, personality deficient genetic specimens who all only do the same three moves...the X Division has bland, personality deficient little guys who do at least know - and use - multiple moves. Petey Williams is big for his size and it doesn't affect his move-set. Maybe they don't make enough money to have a gym membership? |
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Post by pikemojo on Nov 1, 2005 23:06:25 GMT -5
If petey williams is big then so are AJ Styles, Chris Sabin, Chris Daniels and alot of guys in the X division. You can't count the lower level guys because they hardly get tv time. Except Sonjay Dutt. This guy is small. Speaking of small isn't the hurricane awefully skinny for a WWE guy. I love the guy but he has never been able to get very big or never really tried.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Nov 1, 2005 23:07:26 GMT -5
Well, the money thing may be true...indy pay - travel expenses could well = just getting by.
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Post by pikemojo on Nov 1, 2005 23:46:48 GMT -5
Depends on how big of a star they are and how many indy dates they work. Raven, after getting released from WWE, said that he made more on the indy circuit than he did in WWE. At that time he was working for TNA and ROH plus at least a few others.
For younger stars I am sure money is a huge factor. Also alot of guys train more for the ability to do long matches. CM punk for example was not really well built by any means but the guy was in shape for sure. He had many 60+ minute matches on the indy scene.
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Post by swarm on Nov 1, 2005 23:56:42 GMT -5
If petey williams is big then so are AJ Styles, Chris Sabin, Chris Daniels and alot of guys in the X division. You can't count the lower level guys because they hardly get tv time. Except Sonjay Dutt. This guy is small. Speaking of small isn't the hurricane awefully skinny for a WWE guy. I love the guy but he has never been able to get very big or never really tried. ok seriously...Chris Daniels has the build of a 15 year old boy. The guy is tinyWilliams is no juggernaught at 170lb. but for a guy who is shorter than most 7th graders, he's pretty thick. AJ Styles isn't too bad, but the rest of them, from what I've seen, either have terrible genetics, are not strong people, or just simply don't lift weights. Maybe it's just me. I'm no wrestler, but at 6'1, 215 with 9% bf, I'd like to see these guys at least try to make themselves look like wrestlers. It's just no fun watching a bunch of guys who's tails I could kick. For what it's worth, I also had this issue with X-Pac. |
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Post by Vidtek on Nov 2, 2005 10:25:41 GMT -5
Hey, personaly I don't really care that much about muscle tone and all that when I watch wrestling. Seeing as how I myself can't get to a gym all the time, I really don't care if a guy is ripped or not. I don't even care if they have slight paunches (since sometimes it's genetic and has nothing to do with fat). What I DO care about is can they entertain me. The X-Division can, so there I have it. And I mean let's face it, some of the greats in history where not exactly stuning physical specimens.
Swarm, I do wounder though (not trying to pick a fight here), what do you think of guys like Trevor Murdock, or "super heavyweights" like Big Show or Vader - in the past? Or the other wrestlers through out history who where famous, put on great matches, but did not have the body builder's physique? Just curious is all.
Big Time
Oh and PS: Yay for the new guy in TNA.
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Post by swarm on Nov 2, 2005 12:43:22 GMT -5
Hey, personaly I don't really care that much about muscle tone and all that when I watch wrestling. Seeing as how I myself can't get to a gym all the time, I really don't care if a guy is ripped or not. I don't even care if they have slight paunches (since sometimes it's genetic and has nothing to do with fat). What I DO care about is can they entertain me. The X-Division can, so there I have it. And I mean let's face it, some of the greats in history where not exactly stuning physical specimens. Swarm, I do wounder though (not trying to pick a fight here), what do you think of guys like Trevor Murdock, or "super heavyweights" like Big Show or Vader - in the past? Or the other wrestlers through out history who where famous, put on great matches, but did not have the body builder's physique? Just curious is all. Big Time Oh and PS: Yay for the new guy in TNA. it's not so much a "physique" thing that's it's a "too hard to believe a 170lb. guy with no build could be a force to be reckoned with thing." you don't see too many MMA guys at the weight looking so weak. all I'm saying is, is you are lucky enough to have a pro wrestling contract, the least you could do is go to the gym and try to make yourself look like a wrestler. as for the big show, and vader, I have in the past complained about show...I think he is lazy and could do a lot more in the gym too. Vader on the other hand, was a gym rat, but an endo-morph. basically, if you are an endo-morph, it is alot harder to drop fat and add a lot of muscle, but an ecto-morph who stores little to no body-fat, has no excuse.especially if you are a wrestler. |
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Post by Barnestormer on Nov 2, 2005 18:43:28 GMT -5
The Heartland Wrestling Association's loss is TNA's gain. Good luck, Nigel.
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Post by gamemaster on Nov 3, 2005 0:23:35 GMT -5
I dont care what a guy looks like as long as im entertained. I know some guys dont match up like little Rey and Big Show but I dont want to see that match anyway. I think WWE cares a little too much about the way alot of there guys look. A guy like Samoa Joe for example may not be pleasant to look at but can put on a hell of a match. I always hated X-Pac myself just because all anyone would say about him is "He's got heart". Heart never wins matches over technique. Alot of the smaller guys can do moves that otherwise may not be attempted normally like running powerbombs and tilt-a-whirl backbreakers.I just get sick of fist fights from the big guys that end with chokeslam and big boot finishs.
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Post by Barnestormer on Nov 3, 2005 16:55:18 GMT -5
I dont care what a guy looks like as long as im entertained. I know some guys dont match up like little Rey and Big Show but I dont want to see that match anyway. I think WWE cares a little too much about the way alot of there guys look. A guy like Samoa Joe for example may not be pleasant to look at but can put on a hell of a match. I always hated X-Pac myself just because all anyone would say about him is "He's got heart". Heart never wins matches over technique. Alot of the smaller guys can do moves that otherwise may not be attempted normally like running powerbombs and tilt-a-whirl backbreakers.I just get sick of fist fights from the big guys that end with chokeslam and big boot finishs. I guarantee you, gamemaster, that Nigel McGuinness is very entertaining. After all, he's "in it to win it." |
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Post by tafkaga on Nov 4, 2005 1:19:38 GMT -5
I really have no problem with TNA wrestler's builds. In fact I think they're a little more realistic than a lot of what I see in WWE. Some of the WWE guys like Rob Conway look like they've been sculpted to pose on the covers of cheap romance novels. It was fine for some guys like Rick Rude to be ripped, because part of his gimmick is that he supposedly had the best body in wrestling, etc. But I don't find it terribly realistic that wrestlers all be ripped and have bodies sculpted like Chip'n'dales.
I do think that wrestlers need to look muscular, but I haven't really seen anyone in TNA other than maybe Sonjay Dutt who doesn't fit that bill. X-Pac is someone who I was also opposed to, especially in his days as 1-2-3 Kid, because he looked like a high school freshman who played on the girls volley ball team before beginning his wrestling career. But now that there are other weight classes besides just the heavyweights, it's not such an issue to me. But even the heavyweights in TNA are fairly small compared to what we're used to seeing from WWE. That's not necessarily a bad thing as long as they're entertaining. Now if they sign the Big Show and try to convince me that he can be beaten by Petey Williams, then I'll have an issue.
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Post by swarm on Nov 4, 2005 1:30:17 GMT -5
what does realistic have to do with it? So your saying if a guy has genetics like Conway's, and he works out, that's not realistic? To who?
Realistic is realizing you have a pro-wrestling contract for a company that is nothing more than a starting spot in your goal to get to the WWE and make some real money...knowing full well they want guys who look strong, and are built, realistic is getting your wimp-ass body off the damn trampoiline for 5 minutes and into the gym every once in awhile.
that makes no damn sense to not want to find your genetic potential if you are a pro wrestler.
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Post by tafkaga on Nov 4, 2005 1:38:34 GMT -5
There are plenty of pro sports where the athletes aren't all ripped and bulging. Which ones? How about... all of them? How far is finding your "genetic potential" going to take you in the wrestling business? Not very far if you don't have a lot of other attributes to go along with it. Since I don't watch wrestling to look at studly men's oily bodies, I put a lot more value on actual wrestling ability, acting ability, and whether or not they can entertain me. Think of all the great wrestlers who weren't ripped ... Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Randy Savage, the Road Warriors... just about any of the Japanese stars.
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Post by gwffantrav on Nov 4, 2005 2:00:42 GMT -5
I don't know, Savage and Hawk were pretty ripped.
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Post by tafkaga on Nov 4, 2005 2:30:31 GMT -5
I guess "ripped" is a pretty relative word... but when I use that term I think of Rick Rude, Rob Conway, Scott Steiner, or even Superstar Graham. Savage and Hawk had good physiques but they weren't bulging and they didn't look like a washboard.
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