New TNA Wrestler

[swarm]

tafkaga said:

There are plenty of pro sports where the athletes aren't all ripped and bulging. Which ones? How about... all of them? How far is finding your "genetic potential" going to take you in the wrestling business? Not very far if you don't have a lot of other attributes to go along with it. Since I don't watch wrestling to look at studly men's oily bodies, I put a lot more value on actual wrestling ability, acting ability, and whether or not they can entertain me. Think of all the great wrestlers who weren't ripped ... Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Randy Savage, the Road Warriors... just about any of the Japanese stars.

apparently you are no athlete, so you wouldn't understand.

asking how far finding your genetic potential can take you in pro wrestling , and saying "not far", is so beyond funny it's sad.

you talk about being "ripped" like that is all that guys who work out look like. You are obviously so out of your league in this one.

it would be better if you just dropped it and tried to find something else to add too because you clearly don't know what the hell you are talking about.

[tafkaga]

swarm said:

apparently you are no athlete, so you wouldn't understand.

asking how far finding your genetic potential can take you in pro wrestling , and saying "not far", is so beyond funny it's sad.

you talk about being "ripped" like that is all that guys who work out look like. You are obviously so out of your league in this one.

it would be better if you just dropped it and tried to find something else to add too because you clearly don't know what the hell you are talking about.

What a friendly post, Swarm. Or should I call you ant-man?

You completely misquoted me about saying that finding your genetic potential would not take you far. How about you actually quote what I said instead of just making things up and pretending like I said them? All you have to do is read my post above. Doesn't take an especially big brain to understand the concept of quoting.

It's pretty hard to have a discussion with someone with very low reading comprehension skills, so I'll leave that to you to fix. We can try this again once you've become a little more familiar with these basic concepts.

[swarm]

tafkaga said:

swarm said:

apparently you are no athlete, so you wouldn't understand.

asking how far finding your genetic potential can take you in pro wrestling , and saying "not far", is so beyond funny it's sad.

you talk about being "ripped" like that is all that guys who work out look like. You are obviously so out of your league in this one.

it would be better if you just dropped it and tried to find something else to add too because you clearly don't know what the hell you are talking about.

What a friendly post, Swarm. Or should I call you ant-man?

You completely misquoted me about saying that finding your genetic potential would not take you far. How about you actually quote what I said instead of just making things up and pretending like I said them? All you have to do is read my post above. Doesn't take an especially big brain to understand the concept of quoting.

It's pretty hard to have a discussion with someone with very low reading comprehension skills, so I'll leave that to you to fix. We can try this again once you've become a little more familiar with these basic concepts.

1) I'm an english major.

2) Yeah you can call me ant-man.

3) I've got some "basic concepts" of my own for you to learn about not going over to another game who has ripped off, and ragged on Tom and having a fucking tea-party with them.

oh but this is America, you're free to do what you want. You did nothing wrong...not in my eyes. Too many people go by written law, I like to go by un-written law. You broke it, you deal with it.

[gamtime247]

To say Road Warrior Hawk wasn't "bulging" is pretty crazy. You watch him and Animal from their AWA days and they are monsters. Its almost a 100 percent of the reason they were able to come off as the a$$kickers they were for over 10 years. Even Savage in his last days in WCW became pretty big. Half the reason people loved the Road Warriors was because you thought if you accidentally bumped into these guys on the street they'd crush your skull like a pumpkin.

I think your genetic look has a lot to do with the way your perceived as a wrestler. I saw Samoa Joe and yeah I think he is a very good wrestler but he doesn't give you that "awe" factor like the first time you saw Brock Lesnar. Yeah guys like Flair and Anderson were great wrestlers without great bodies but for every one of them there was a Lex Luger or even Sid Vicious who made it to where they did almost solely on their look.

[tafkaga]

See again this is all relative I guess... but when I think "bulging" I think of Superstar Graham or Scott Steiner. Hawk and Animal were two very big guys, but they were not of the same degree as a lot of other guys. I don't really agree about it being almost 100% of the reason they were successful. If that were true, the Powers of Pain would have been much more successful...because they were even bigger than the Road Warriors. I don't disagree at all that looking good or being big can help you... but it's really only a small percentage of why wrestlers are successful. Take into account some of the biggest and most powerful bodies in the business...Brutus Beefcake, Scott Putski, Warlord, Billy Jack Haynes, Ted Arcidi, Tony Atlas, Bill Kazmaeir... who all looked like they spent a lot of time in the gym, but that's pretty much ALL they had going for them.

Oh and Swarm...

1. An English major who doesn't understand direct quoting obviously.

2. Duh.

3. If by making me deal with it you're going to come over there, call me a bunch of naughty names, and keep making new accounts so that you can keep it up... I think you're taking this WAY harder than I am buddy. But hey, if it makes you feel like a big boy, I'll play along and act real hurt and offended.

[Joe]

Tafkaga is correct in saying that guys like Arcidi and Haynes only had the physiques going for them, but to bring guys like Savage and the Road Warriors up in a defense of X-Division guys having no builds is off the mark.

Ripped like Scott Steiner is not necessarily the only alternative to looking like many indy guys do. Savage was put together, as were the Warriors. Early in his career, Flair was really put together.

Appearance is part of the game. Not just for cosmetic reasons, either. If everybody in pro wrestling looked like Sonjay Dutt, it wouldn't be very believable to the audience that these men could (1) hand out to many ass-kickings, and (2) withstand too many.

[tafkaga]

Ok I'll give you the Road Warriors... they weren't exactly my best example. I was more thinking of Animal who while he was big, stout, and muscular...wasn't exactly the most impressive physique of his time.

I guess maybe I haven't paid as much attention because there aren't that many X-Division guys that I think need to work out. Sonjay Dutt is definitely one that could use some gym time. The other guys for the most part are not unmuscular, they just have more toned and athletic builds.

I would definitely agree when it comes to little guys beating up big guys. I don't think it's at all realistic. Especially when those little guys look like Sonjay Dutt.

[swarm]

tafkaga said:

If by making me deal with it you're going to come over there, call me a bunch of naughty names, and keep making new accounts so that you can keep it up... I think you're taking this WAY harder than I am buddy. But hey, if it makes you feel like a big boy, I'll play along and act real hurt and offended.

I registered once, with one name. And yeah I read all about you playing patty-cake over there.

I called you on it. They erased it because I wasn't joining in on bashing Champions along with you guys.

You've only been around for 3 years so I don't expect much out of you anyways.

I don't care how you feel. I don't care what you think. I say what what I want, and nobody can stop me. I

'm glad you are proud of yourself for going over there.

I'm am done with you. I am done with your love of all that is cheap, and bush-league. Go play your rip-off game. Go watch your indy fed. And when they BOTH crumble under the Steel Empires that is Champions, and the WWE, maybe you can try to develope a taste for something that doesn't reak of total crap.

[thefamoustommyz]

Kevin Sullivan actually used to be RIPPED and yet, marginally successful...his career didn't take off until he quit hitting the gym and got a little looser around the waist.

His explanation "The marquee says WRESTLING."

Not advocating anything either way, just saying that what works for some guys doesn't work for others. Sting basically shed muscle mass over the course of his career, but only got "bigger" name-wise...and look at Dusty Rhodes...'nuff said...=)

But then you have a Nikita Koloff who, without his physique, had next to nothing going for him...so yeah, its all about finding what's going to work for a given wrestler.

[swarm]

I'm not saying you HAVE to work-out to get over as a wrestler. And I clearly never said that looking strong, looking good was the only thing needed to be a good wrestler, regardless of what some people on here are reading into.

All I'm saying is that to me, 90% of these x-division guys look like every other dude I see on the streets. They look like the same guys I saw at the Motor City Con wrestling show, and do the same moves. And when a wrestler is a short, tiny, flat-chested, spagetti-armed peanut, I am not impressed no matter what he can do in the ring.

[tafkaga]

swarm said:

I registered once, with one name. And yeah I read all about you playing patty-cake over there.

I called you on it. They erased it because I wasn't joining in on bashing Champions along with you guys.

You've only been around for 3 years so I don't expect much out of you anyways.

I don't care how you feel. I don't care what you think. I say what what I want, and nobody can stop me. I

'm glad you are proud of yourself for going over there.

I'm am done with you. I am done with your love of all that is cheap, and bush-league. Go play your rip-off game. Go watch your indy fed. And when they BOTH crumble under the Steel Empires that is Champions, and the WWE, maybe you can try to develope a taste for something that doesn't reak of total crap.

Um yeah... me bashing COTG, a game I love. Tell me another one Swarm.

You don't care what I think... I can really tell based on how you've been flaming and going out of your way to make me look like a heel. Again, tell me another one Swarm.

I'm disappointed that you're done with this, because I was just beginning to enjoy listening to you sound more and more like a nose-picking 9 year old with every attack.

Fear Swarm... he says what he wants and no one can stop him. Get out your cryin' towels because he's about to deliver a truck load of smackdown via his keyboard of doom.

[swarm]

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tafkaga
ww.cronies

Joined: 27 Oct 2005
Posts: 12

WOW

I got an e-mail linking this site... I didn't even know that this game existed. I've been a COTG player off and on for the past 3 years or so.

I love COTG, but this game looks really cool too in a different way than COTG does. I'm a little strapped for cash at the moment as holidays are nearing, but I fully intend to pick up the first edition of Wrestling Wars some time after the new year.

With COTG I don't actually enjoy playing the matches too much... my source of enjoyment from it is writing out detailed cards and working angles. I also enjoy the larger-than-life comic book-ish characters from COTG. Aliens, Greek gods, hey... it's sci-fi and that's 100% cool with me.

But I definitely think there's room for a more realistic game out there, and Wrestling Wars looks like it might have it nailed. Count me in as someone who's definitely going to try it out for myself.

I have to say I'm a little disappointed that some guys from the COTG forum have come over here being bad sports about this. I know that people are fiercely loyal to that game, but there's nothing wrong with there being an alternative out there.

It's no different than the WWF/WCW Monday night war. You may prefer one over the other and that's all good, but competition is good for the business and good for the fans... so acting like a buttinsky because there's another show in town is a little uncalled for, not to mention dumb.

Game looks great, I look forward to seeing more info on the site soon.

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Nice job helping promote the game you "love" by saying how you "actually don't like playing the matches..."

You know what the difference is between this and the Monday Night Wars?

WCW didn't pop up 20 years later, with an all-too-similiar show, look, style, design, bashing the hell out of the WWF wrestlers all while blatantly making fun of Vince McMahon and comparing the WWF fans to the "Nazi-Party."

You can call me all the names you want, try to change the subject by talking about my use of the english language, and use your stupid little smiley faces until your hearts content, but fact is fact. And here it is again:

Takfaga, COTG Super-Fan:

With COTG I don't actually enjoy playing the matches too much...

maybe Tom will send you one of the new SE cards for so brilliantly promoting the game.

Good job.

[tafkaga]

Swarm, you don't have a point.

You picked out one sentence from what is essentially a COTG plug and you're trying to make it look like a COTG bash. It's true...the dice-rolling part of the game is not where the enjoyment is for me. How about you read the rest of what I actually said? Did you notice how I said I loved COTG? How I said that I loved the characters and the setting? Do you think that the fact I said COTG is not a "realistic" game is supposed to be a bash? I got news for you buddy... COTG is NOT a realistic game. It's a sci-fi/fantasy/comic book type game. That's totally fine and I love the fact that it's not realistic.

I'm straining to see your point here Swarm but you simply don't have one. I went over there because it looked like a fun game. I defended COTG because I think it's a good game and some people there were selling it short. I sent a PM to the administrator and informed him that I wasn't a fan of some of the remarks that were made toward COTG. Find one COTG-bashing post that I made over there... you won't find one because I didn't make any. I supported COTG, and if you can't see that... you're not looking very hard.

You know Swarm I invited you to send me a PM so that you could work out what ever problems you have with me personally. You didn't want to do that. Instead what you want to do is act like a jackass on the forum and call me out as a COTG traitor or whatever. You're barking up the wrong tree, pal. You don't scare me... and the more you talk, the less I care. But by all means keep it up if it makes you feel better. I know the truth, which is that I'm a COTG fan . I've played over 300 COTG cards and can tell you for a fact that anyone who thinks I'm a COTG basher simply doesn't know what they're talking about.

www.geocities.com/gwfzone/

There's a link to my COTG fed site. Your case continues to weaken. But enjoy your witch-hunt ol' buddy. I know I am.

[swarm]

Maybe when I finish my belts you can help me promote them by going over to someone else's web-site who draws belts and say:

I love Swarm's belts but I actually don't enjoy Swarm's belts too much...

I will gladly pay you the whole 2 cents you are worth.

[swarm]

And thank you for proving my point with this

www.geocities.com/gwfzone/

You have a beautifully designed site that you have dedicated countless hours to about a game you have also dedicated countless years, and hours to, yet you go the web-site of the people who have blatantly ripped off the game you "love", and ripped-on the creator of the game you "love", and stated for the whole world to see that you "...don't enjoy the matches..."

"...the dice-rolling part of the game is not where the enjoyment is for me."

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE GAME.

[tafkaga]

Yeah Swarm, the whole point of the game is rolling dice... uh huh.

Sure thing Swarm. Whatever you say buddy.

You know... you're right. I have played over 300 COTG cards, designed a COTG website, and served as webmaster to a COTG bootleg site FOR FREE over the past 3 years when deep down I really don't enjoy COTG at all. My expression of love for COTG is merely to cover up all of the deep seeded hatred that I have for this game. I've played the game for 3 years and wrote out all of those cards just to make everyone here think I really like COTG when in fact it's not fun at all. And of course... after these 3 years of operating under the cover of being a COTG fan, you've dragged me out of the closet and revealed my true nature to the world.

Dang you Swarm. Dang you... you knight in shining armor. I would have gotten away with it too had it not been for you pesky kids.

[swarm]

I never said you didn't like the game. I am simply pointing out that you crossed the line by going over to a web-site has all but stolen Tom's idea and are now trying to make a profit off of it, all the while dragging Tom, his game, his name, and his fans through the mud, and helped promote that game by saying

"I DON'T ENJOY THE MATCHES."

what a plug!

The whole point of the game IS rolling the dice...

the writing, the angles, the web-sites, all that comes AFTER the rolls of the dice.

without the rolling of the dice, you have nothing.

since you have such a problem with the "matches", and the "rolling of the dice", I can imagine the great pain it must have been for you to get through 300 cards.

[butters]

tafkaga, I recognize your point. You enjoy COTG because of the storylines and perhaps even keeping rankings, but probably mostly the stories.

Just because you don't like playing the matches doesn't mean you can't draw enjoyment from the game. I feel that way about WWE wrestling. I don't really enjoy the matches, but I still like to watch Smackdown.

[tafkaga]

Thank you Butters... I'm sure that Swarm sees my point too, he's just latching on too hard to his case to allow himself to recognize it.

Swarm, I don't see that Wrestling Wars is a ripoff of COTG any more than I think COTG was a ripoff of what ever wrestling card game came before it. If you want to see my point further articulated on this, check out the Other Games forum and the Wrestling Wars Forum thread. As for dragging COTG through the mud... I've already replied to that many times. Refer to previous posts or go over and read the numerous posts I made on the Wrestling Wars forum where I express my positive feelings about COTG and my disappointment at the COTG negativity. My feelings about it are not any different from yours. The only difference is I didn't go over there and get myself banned after expressing it like an 8 year old child. Your behavior over there is a far worse advertisement for COTG than my statement that the dice rolling isn't enjoyable to me.

You know, I didn't come to this forum to argue or to be put on trial for my interest in another wrestling game. You may continue your little hissy fit if you wish. I've long since discovered that you really don't know what the hell you're talking about. If you wish to continue this, you may send me a PM and we'll talk it over like big boys... not snivelling school children on a playground. It's up to you Swarm.

[swarm]

yeah if i gave my money to the people who ripped off my friends idea and then slammed him I wouldn't want it to go public either.