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Post by wildman on Mar 29, 2004 22:23:18 GMT -5
:oShelton Benjamin beat HHH ;D
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Post by JimSteel on Mar 29, 2004 22:30:10 GMT -5
I was surprised that Triple H did the job to Benjamin
Its about time he let some of the other young talent look good
Lets hope it last
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Post by wildman on Mar 29, 2004 22:36:27 GMT -5
I was surprised that Triple H did the job to Benjamin Its about time he let some of the other young talent look good Lets hope it last He doesnt LET the younger talent look good, they often carry the match against his fat backside. At least he is tryin to lose the gut he put on. |
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Post by Joe on Mar 29, 2004 22:46:18 GMT -5
He doesnt LET the younger talent look good, they often carry the match against his fat backside. At least he is tryin to lose the gut he put on. Wow! The WWE must have an even deeper talent pool than I thought! If that statement is correct, then Triple H has been carried by everybody he's faced except Goldberg (the only guy I have seen him have a bad match with) for the past several years! |
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Post by Knapik on Mar 30, 2004 4:42:09 GMT -5
You haven't seen HHH have a bad match in several years?
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Post by TheOtherTravis on Mar 30, 2004 9:14:30 GMT -5
I have liked watching Triple H in action, but I know of another series of matches that were borderline horrible: him vs. Scott Steiner. Triple H could not carry this feud at all, and it ended up being my least favorite series of matches of last year.
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Post by GalactiKing on Mar 30, 2004 9:59:01 GMT -5
We'll see where the WWE takes this. Shelton has a chance to be developed into a real talent though.
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Post by Subvert69 on Mar 30, 2004 10:37:59 GMT -5
I was at the RAW in Cincinnati and I have to admit that me and my friends were all shocked by Benjamin winning. I believe that Benjamin and Haas should both develop now that they are seperated.
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Post by Joe on Mar 30, 2004 12:14:53 GMT -5
I have liked watching Triple H in action, but I know of another series of matches that were borderline horrible: him vs. Scott Steiner. Triple H could not carry this feud at all, and it ended up being my least favorite series of matches of last year. I forgot about the Steiner matches. They were terrible. Triple H may be incapable of having good matches with an immoble, injury-ridden has-been as well as a clown like Goldberg. |
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Post by gamtime247 on Mar 30, 2004 14:14:13 GMT -5
Steiner and Goldberg were not HHH's fault. Seriously when was the last time those two have had a good match with anyone. Recent HHH big match performances at the Rumble and WM I think turned out to steal both shows, and even if you don't like him the fact that he wins so much makes people hate him so I guess he's doin his job as a heel. I mean when was the last time you heard a crowd chanting "Shelton, Shelton"
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Post by TheOtherTravis on Mar 30, 2004 16:23:03 GMT -5
That's what I was saying. Most of the matches that I have seen him in I have liked. Where his matches with Steiner were my least favorite of last year, his matches versus Shawn Michaels were among my favorites. ;D
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Mar 30, 2004 17:47:23 GMT -5
As long as he doesn't have the belt there's no reason for it not to. The man has a LOT of karma to burn off, and putting over some young talent is a good way to do it. |
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Post by baldue on Mar 30, 2004 18:03:02 GMT -5
It's good to see Shelton Benjamin
winning over HHH lastnight, if the
WWE pushes Benjamin into the top
ranks... it should be for the IC
belt against Orton... but then
again will Foley win the belt at
Backlash?
Overall it's good to see Benjamin
win, Haas is my least favorite of
the Worlds Greatest Tag Team.
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Post by Joe on Mar 30, 2004 23:26:48 GMT -5
I have thought a lot about how people always complain about Triple H not ever putting anyone over. First, I want to say that I am a huge fan of the Game, as I am sure everyone reading this thread has figured out. That said, however, I don't see anything wrong with the way business is handled pertaining to Triple H's character. If, as someone basically said, he starts dropping matches to every cat that comes along, beating him serves no purpose, thus no one really gets "put over". On the heels of his win last night, the WWE can build some serious momentum for Shelton Benjamin. If Triple H had been dusted by everyone that people have cried for him to "put over", then all Shelton did last night was win a very entertaining match.
This is the same as was the case with Ric Flair in the 1980s. Kerry Von Erich, as well as the backslide, are forever immortalized in the annals of wrestling history because he pinned Ric Flair at the Parade of Champions. If Flair dropped matches to every Tom, D--K( I couldn't stand seeing the word thingy come up there), and Hank that showed up in the NWA, Von Erich's victory would not be near the historical landmark it has become. I am not saying Shelton Benjamin's win, or just beating Triple H, for that matter, is in the same category as what "The Modern Day Warrior" did, but it was a point worth making.
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Post by gamtime247 on Mar 31, 2004 11:45:15 GMT -5
Totally agree, I think every sport or sports entertainment for that matter, needs that evil empire to cheer against. The unstoppable team, man, whatever you want to call it, it draws out the passion for you to cheer against them, or to cheer for someone else. Where would baseball be without the Yanks, NBA-Lakers, or NFL-Cowboys. You just gotta have that thing that never loses so when it does its a huge deal, and you finally have some hope better things are coming along.
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Mar 31, 2004 14:47:56 GMT -5
If Flair dropped matches to every Tom, D--K( I couldn't stand seeing the word thingy come up there), and Hank 1) You could have used "Richard".  2) Usually, it's Tom, D ick, and Harry, not Hank. 3) Yeah, the filter's pretty stupid sometimes, but I'd rather it be stupid than not have it. |
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Post by floydthebarber on Apr 1, 2004 7:43:15 GMT -5
I too am really glad that Shelton Benjamin got the win over HHH...this will really help him break out as a singles wrestler, and I like the idea of him and Benoit forming a friendship of sorts. That being said, I also agree with the idea that wrestling is what it is when there is a dominant heel wrestler/stable that everyone roots against. Should HHH be that heel? Well he is one of the last BIG wrestlers still active from the WWF v. WCW days (Undertaker/Kane...  ) but I've noticed this trend with HHH before. He'll do the job when it comes to matches when he isn't the Champ, helping put guys over...but when it comes time to defending the WWE Title or Heavyweight Championship, HHH uses this 'good karma' to his advantage in his reasons for winning a re-match. HHH is one of the most politically aware wrestlers in the WWE (HBK taught him well) and no doubt, when HHH gets the Heavyweight Title back (I still think Benoit is going to beat him at Backlash...unless we see HBK join up with Evolution?) he will be in line for another long run as Champ. Its not the worst thing in the world to have The Game as the Champ...but I just hope he realizes there does come a time when other guys have to be given a chance (like Benoit was at Wrestlemania 20). |
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Post by Joe on Apr 1, 2004 17:18:03 GMT -5
I don't think it is so much about political awareness, so to speak, as it is knowing what makes for an entertaining show. I think WWE has better programming when Triple H is the hunted. Not to bring this back to Flair in the 80s, but he didn't exactly do the job for a plethora of people when he was champ. From the time he won his first title until the end of the 1980s, I remember Harley Race(legend), Dusty Rhodes(legend), Ricky Steamboat(legend), Kerry Von Erich(legend, mostly because of the win over Flair), and Ronnie Garvin beating Flair for the title. I do not recall when Sting won his first NWA/WCW title, but I think it was in the early 90s. Beating Flair made or added to a legendary legacy for all of the aforementioned with the exception of Garvin, I still don't know what the hell that was about. That is the kind of character the WWE is trying turn Triple H into, and let's face it, there are not to many legitimate, make-you-pay-to-see-them-get-beat heels in the WWE today, which made him the perfect candidate for that position, family ties or no.
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Post by wildman on Apr 1, 2004 18:04:55 GMT -5
Evolution is doing for HHH what the Four Horsemen did for Flair. They protect him at all costs. I too like the Master/student reltaionship that Benoit and Benjamin are starting to form. Maybe this is the start of a cohesive face group to go against Evolution. All they need is a decent tag team to round off the squad. Its a shame they split up Cade and Jindrak, I was just starting to like them. Oh yeah, HHH will do the occasional job, hell he even jobbed to the Brooklyn Brawler a few years back
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Post by gamtime247 on Apr 2, 2004 11:08:28 GMT -5
Don't forget HHH was probably the first legitimate big name to do the job to Jericho, when he was world champ. When other big names like Goldberg refused to lose to a so called cruiserweight. People go nuts about HHH supposed refusal to job, but few people complained when Austin use to do the same, including refusing to do the job to HHH at Summerslam in a 1 on 1 match. Where would wrestling be today without a dominate heel?
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) but I've noticed this trend with HHH before. He'll do the job when it comes to matches when he isn't the Champ, helping put guys over...but when it comes time to defending the WWE Title or Heavyweight Championship, HHH uses this 'good karma' to his advantage in his reasons for winning a re-match. HHH is one of the most politically aware wrestlers in the WWE (HBK taught him well) and no doubt, when HHH gets the Heavyweight Title back (I still think Benoit is going to beat him at Backlash...unless we see HBK join up with Evolution?) he will be in line for another long run as Champ. Its not the worst thing in the world to have The Game as the Champ...but I just hope he realizes there does come a time when other guys have to be given a chance (like Benoit was at Wrestlemania 20).