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Post by Shon Maxx on Sept 8, 2008 6:26:01 GMT -5
The Championship Scramble was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. At first, when I thought whoever pinned the champ was champ at that point, it at least made sense. But no, whoever scored a pin on Anyone became champ.
So Henry loses the belt without being pinned.
Triple H beats up abunch of midcarders.
Punk (whom I was really enjoying as champ) gets injured and removed from the match, thus costing him his title.
Oh yeah, Big Show tuurns on Undertaker. Big deal.
At least Cryme Tyme lost; that was the highlight of the show.
I'm glad I didn't pay anything for it. WWE just keeps getting worse with each event.
Take care,
Jay
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Post by Aquinas on Sept 8, 2008 9:36:47 GMT -5
Sounds like a mixed bag.
1. Putting aside what they are doing to CM Punk, Chris Jericho is all-around their greatest performer in my opinion. Outstanding on the mic, outstanding wrestler. He is worthy of carrying the title. His feud with HBK has been one of the best-written feuds in years.
2. Putting HHH over that mess of mid-carders was the right thing to do. Smackdown has a lot going for it right now, but needs a huge name helming it to survive this move to a crap network. But perhaps to your point -- HHH vs. midcarders hardly makes for compelling PPV action.
3. Matt Hardy bores me. I don't like that they did this great job of making Henry a credible champ only to stop that. Henry was lame before but they managed to make him decent. I'm just not convinced the same will be said of Hardy as champ.
4. I don't know what their plan was for Punk, but he really is weak right now. He wasn't a convincing champion the way they booked him, and now he doesn't even participate in the title scramble. His stock is low, and what they do with him next will determine a lot -- if he loses a feud to Orton, he's screwed. If he beats Orton, he'll be okay.
5. I hope they scrap this scramble business, now that they got it out of their system with 3 of them on one card. Lame idea that had its chance.
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Post by Havoc on Sept 8, 2008 9:52:36 GMT -5
Sounds like a mixed bag. 1. Putting aside what they are doing to CM Punk, Chris Jericho is all-around their greatest performer in my opinion. Outstanding on the mic, outstanding wrestler. He is worthy of carrying the title. His feud with HBK has been one of the best-written feuds in years. 2. Putting HHH over that mess of mid-carders was the right thing to do. Smackdown has a lot going for it right now, but needs a huge name helming it to survive this move to a crap network. But perhaps to your point -- HHH vs. midcarders hardly makes for compelling PPV action. 3. Matt Hardy bores me. I don't like that they did this great job of making Henry a credible champ only to stop that. Henry was lame before but they managed to make him decent. I'm just not convinced the same will be said of Hardy as champ. 4. I don't know what their plan was for Punk, but he really is weak right now. He wasn't a convincing champion the way they booked him, and now he doesn't even participate in the title scramble. His stock is low, and what they do with him next will determine a lot -- if he loses a feud to Orton, he's screwed. If he beats Orton, he'll be okay. 5. I hope they scrap this scramble business, now that they got it out of their system with 3 of them on one card. Lame idea that had its chance. Unless you plunk down the $40 for WWE garbage PPV's, you are not allowed to have an opinion. Oh, I'm glad IM Junk is without the title but that booking makes no sense. Why not have Rey Rey get attacked by Kane and Jericho replace him. Unless AM Bien has a legit injury and is going to be out for a couple months, the attack serves no purpose. He wins the title cheaply and then loses it cheaply. I suppose if the result is less of him on my TV, I'll be happy. |
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Post by Aquinas on Sept 8, 2008 9:56:12 GMT -5
I'll happily share my opinion on a PPV I didn't see. That just makes me $40 wiser. And hell, as you love to ridicule me for, I don't even have cable anymore, so I'll start giving opinions on Raws and ECWs that I didn't see either  Yeah, CM Punk comes out of this a huge loser. His entire title run was marred by him looking weak, plus it didn't even last long. Like I said, I'm thrilled that Jericho got his due, since he's better than anyone else on the roster.....but it sucks for CM. |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Sept 8, 2008 10:21:42 GMT -5
Wow, Rick Scaia over at Online Onslaught loved this PPV, and he's a tough bastard to please. Sounds like it was actually one of those things you had to watch to appreciate. Still, the wife was working all night and I just got a new car last month, so it didn't even occur to me to buy this. A replay might not be out of the question, though... |
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Post by Aquinas on Sept 8, 2008 12:01:06 GMT -5
For me, it's a matter of money priorities. There are few things that I'd drop $40 for 2-3 hrs for. A fine dinner, sure. But that's $40 entertainment dollars I could put towards a video game that provides weeks/months/years? of enjoyment.
The WWE is solid to me as free entertainment. By and large, I don't think their product is worth spending money for.
Regardless, while I'm not thrilled that they aborted the CM Punk experiment, any PPV that results in a deserving guy like Jericho getting his due, is pretty good in my book.
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Sept 8, 2008 12:22:56 GMT -5
Well, there's also the fact that Punk has a legit right to challenge Jericho; Mark Henry might not have been pinned to lose his belt, but Punk wasn't even allowed in the match. A few months of Punk/Jericho should be solid stuff until HBK and Orton are good to return.
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Post by Aquinas on Sept 8, 2008 12:41:19 GMT -5
Well, there's also the fact that Punk has a legit right to challenge Jericho; Mark Henry might not have been pinned to lose his belt, but Punk wasn't even allowed in the match. A few months of Punk/Jericho should be solid stuff until HBK and Orton are good to return. So to cover the injury, will they "suspend" HBK because of the referee thing? Then I say they should keep the title on Jericho and work up to an HBK-Jericho match at WM. |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Sept 8, 2008 12:49:59 GMT -5
Whatever they use to cover his injury, I would imagine that the day he returns will be the day he costs Jericho the title. A WM blowoff isn't unlikely, but I can't imagine it being for the title.
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Post by Shon Maxx on Sept 8, 2008 13:33:25 GMT -5
So if you watch it but don't pay anything, you don't have a right to an opinion? B.S. I wasted 3 hours of my life watching it and I paid for snacks and drinks. I'm having an opinion.
Maybe I just have weird taste (I'm one of the few who actually liked the American version of Godzilla), but I liked Punk as champ. I really like watching him fight and he deserved the belt. Finally, the WWE was pushing a young star...but nope, no push and he drops the belt. I like Jericho, but I hope Punk slaughters him and gets it back soon (probably won't happen, but I can still hope).
I'm guessing they'll have Henry chase Hardy now for the belt, which could changes things up a bit.
Having Trips win wasn't the problem. The problem is you pretty much knew what was going to happen from the beginning. They're not pushing Jeff, and I doubt they'd give Shelton 2 belts. So what are they going to do, put it on Kendrick? The belt weighs more than he does!
If you liked the ppv that's your view, and you're entitled to it. It just made me remember one reason I stopped watching wrestling, years ago.
Take care,
Jay
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Post by Aquinas on Sept 8, 2008 13:35:18 GMT -5
Whatever they use to cover his injury, I would imagine that the day he returns will be the day he costs Jericho the title. A WM blowoff isn't unlikely, but I can't imagine it being for the title. You're probably right, although Michaels-Jericho would be a better WM title match than most other scenarios they'd come up with. |
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Post by Havoc on Sept 8, 2008 13:54:06 GMT -5
So if you watch it but don't pay anything, you don't have a right to an opinion? B.S. Calm down, Jay. That was just me beating a dead horse and being sarcastic about a previous line of thought that unless you watched the product, you were not allowed to form an opinion on it. That line of thought also included reasoning that you are not allowed to question Vince, ever, because your COTG/LOG fed sucks. |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Sept 8, 2008 14:15:40 GMT -5
So if you watch it but don't pay anything, you don't have a right to an opinion? B.S. Calm down, Jay. That was just me beating a dead horse and being sarcastic about a previous line of thought that unless you watched the product, you were not allowed to form an opinion on it. That line of thought also included reasoning that you are not allowed to question Vince, ever, because your COTG/LOG fed sucks. The best/worst part about this is that the horses in question have literally moved on. Which reminds me, I need to find time to purge the memberlist of inactives... that won't be pretty. |
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Post by Chewey on Sept 8, 2008 15:54:47 GMT -5
Wow, Rick Scaia over at Online Onslaught loved this PPV, and he's a tough bastard to please. Sounds like it was actually one of those things you had to watch to appreciate. Still, the wife was working all night and I just got a new car last month, so it didn't even occur to me to buy this. A replay might not be out of the question, though... Well Scaia has been a little off lately. He wrote his whole pre-ramble calling himself an idiot for not knowing Andy Kindler was Jamison, Bobby Heenan's nerd sidekick from Prime Time, only for one of his readers to make him look like an even bigger idiot and prove that Andy Kindler ISN'T Jamison at all. And I'm usually one who reads his columns very regularly... |
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Post by Chewey on Sept 8, 2008 16:12:28 GMT -5
Which reminds me, I need to find time to purge the memberlist of inactives... that won't be pretty. Anything that gets me higher on the post count list. Oh wait, no one cares about that anymore? ;D |
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Post by darkrider on Sept 8, 2008 16:46:32 GMT -5
GULP  |
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Post by Shon Maxx on Sept 8, 2008 19:51:26 GMT -5
So if you watch it but don't pay anything, you don't have a right to an opinion? B.S. Calm down, Jay. That was just me beating a dead horse and being sarcastic about a previous line of thought that unless you watched the product, you were not allowed to form an opinion on it. That line of thought also included reasoning that you are not allowed to question Vince, ever, because your COTG/LOG fed sucks. Sorry about that, I just got a little defensive after getting ticked at the ppv. Take care, Jay |
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Post by darkrider on Sept 8, 2008 20:31:16 GMT -5
Thats ok BladeFlyer it happens to the best of us.  |
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Post by JED-SE on Sept 11, 2008 10:38:28 GMT -5
Have to disagree with you guys. The scramble match does not make CM Punk look weak. He lost the title because he jumped and was not medically cleared before the match. He was kicked in the head by Orton, the same way Cena (& his dad), Triple H, Matt Hardy, and others had been "taken out." Plus, Dibiase, Rhodes & Mini-Umaga helped too. If you think about it, it took 4 guys in their prime to take Punk out of the match. Meanwhile, Jericho got some welts from an old man using his belt. Not quite as bad if you ask me. Also, Jericho winning the belt the way he did sets up numerous angles. Punk and Jericho can feud until HBK and Orton return. Either match would be a great World Heavyweight championship match. (Short of Kevin Nash being the special guest referee - but let's not get greedy here ) One of two things will happen. 1)This Monday, I think you will see Punk lose to Jericho, but with the help of Orton. When Orton's healthy, you have Punk vs Orton vs. Jericho at No Mercy. or 2) Punk regains the title, only to have Orton attack him after winning the title. This also creates Orton vs. Punk in the main event at No Mercy. (this is of course if Orton doesn't go ride his motor cycle at 2am again) |
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Post by Aquinas on Sept 11, 2008 12:55:59 GMT -5
I think your logic for the PPV is sound.
I guess where my problem really is is that CM Punk's entire title reign looked weak. If a strong champion gets waylaid by some guys and unable to participate in a defense, absolutely he doesnt' come across as weak.
But pretty much every step of the way, CM Punk was been a weak champ. It's been sort of the running subplot of his reign, that he's trying to look legit despite how he won it, and what happened in his big defenses. Now, in a huge matchup where the odds would be stacked against him, he doesn't even get to participate.
I'm not losing sleep over it because while I like CM Punk, I think Jericho is far, far better....but I still would have liked to see him come across as a bit more legit instead of some mid-carder who had his chance but sort of stumbled through it.
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