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Post by LWPD on Apr 8, 2007 8:23:06 GMT -5
Tag Teams, Managers & Female Candidates
Should there be separate HOF wings with different voting parameters to assess tag teams, managers and female wrestlers? If so what should those parameters be?
If not...why?
Discuss and help build the institution...
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Post by dukedave on Apr 8, 2007 8:33:48 GMT -5
Hall of Fame is just thatand there shouldn't be different parameters. The only possible thing with different wings should be GWF, cPc, AcE, LOW but voting would be the same.
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Post by Eliath on Apr 8, 2007 8:38:21 GMT -5
I agree that we might want different wings for the GWF, CPC, aCe & LOW. As far as the voting goes I agree with Havoc, it should be one ballot with the best nominees on it.
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Post by Big Bri on Apr 8, 2007 8:42:43 GMT -5
I say separate wings. It might allow for easier searching
(Ex: I'm looking for an awesome manager to bring into my fed, so I click on "Managers", then see who the cream of the crop is.)
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Post by theringmaster on Apr 8, 2007 10:51:24 GMT -5
I must agree with Havoc. No seperate wings except for the different feds (aCe, CPC etc.)
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Post by stephenvegas on Apr 8, 2007 11:59:20 GMT -5
If we're talking about the case of one individual, someone who has earned Hall of Fame status as BOTH a wrestler and then a manager or as BOTH a singles star and as a tag team wrestler, then I say there absolutely should be separate wings to honor appropriately both aspects of their career.
For instance, in the NBA Hall of Fame, Lenny Wilkins deservedly got inducted as first a player and then years later as a manager.
I also think, for example, that Star Warrior and Thantos each merit Hall of Fame recognition for both their singles careers and for their tag team the GameMasters during the Classics Period.
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Post by GalactiKing on Apr 8, 2007 12:22:53 GMT -5
I voted for one.
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Post by Chewey on Apr 8, 2007 13:01:12 GMT -5
I voted for separate wings only for the different promotions and eras, like Havoc suggested (i.e. GWF, Classics, New Beginnings, CPC, aCe, and LOW). The reason is that if we are doing HOF-ballot voting, I will not vote for anyone that I am unfamiliar with. Right now that list includes GWF from the years 2110-2118, and CPC from 2110 onward.
I am sure there are plenty of other people who do not own every single Filsinger Game product at this time. It would not be a fair vote if we did not take this in consideration.
As for separate wings for tag teams, managers, and women... let them all be voted in together -- but we should also make a requirement that the ballot must specify if the particular wrestler/card is getting inducted as a singles wrestler, tag team, or manager.
That said, could it be possible for Thantos to be inducted as a member of the Game Masters, singles champion, AND manager of the Penthouse Suite?
EDIT: I see that the problem with eras has already been covered in another thread. My bad.
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Post by JamieOD on Apr 8, 2007 13:11:49 GMT -5
I think it should be split into two sections: wrestlers (singles AND tag teams) & managers/valets/authority figures.
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Post by Dragon Breath on Apr 8, 2007 13:13:48 GMT -5
I think it should be split into two sections: wrestlers (singles AND tag teams) & managers/valets/authority figures. I agree with this. |
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Post by Joe on Apr 8, 2007 15:17:50 GMT -5
I feel that the only real separation should come in the area of managers/non-wrestling inductees and wrestlers.
I don't see the need to make separate wings with different criterion for wrestlers from different eras or federations. I am in agreement that someone could and should be inducted twice. Brute and Massacre deserve to be inducted as a tag team, but not as singles competitors, whereas someone like Dreggs could be inducted by himself and in a tag team.
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Post by Chewey on Apr 8, 2007 18:45:49 GMT -5
You know, I was just thinking to add on to Joe's post:
What do you do with a candidate like Lord Nexus, who is about as "borderline" as you can get?
Unremarkable singles career as a mid-carder... respectable career as a tag wrestler... pretty good manager for the Fighting Titans... overall influence on the GWF was huge, given the sum of his parts. He would definitely get my vote for a Lifetime Achievement Award, but nothing really sticks out about him. And if he somehow got inducted as, say a tag wrestler, there is no way that Billy Jo Boxer deserves to get inducted with him.
All right, I'm already jumping the gun on the HOF candidates debate. Discuss.
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Post by Wildfire on Apr 8, 2007 20:02:01 GMT -5
I think the wrestlers and tag teams should be all together for sure.. I would be ok with a separate area for non-wrestlers, but I'd prefer we just specify the induction, like the basketball hall of fame.. they don't have a 'wing' for coaches, they just induct guys
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Post by Joe on Apr 8, 2007 20:14:56 GMT -5
You know, I was just thinking to add on to Joe's post: What do you do with a candidate like Lord Nexus, who is about as "borderline" as you can get? Unremarkable singles career as a mid-carder... respectable career as a tag wrestler... pretty good manager for the Fighting Titans... overall influence on the GWF was huge, given the sum of his parts. He would definitely get my vote for a Lifetime Achievement Award, but nothing really sticks out about him. And if he somehow got inducted as, say a tag wrestler, there is no way that Billy Jo Boxer deserves to get inducted with him. All right, I'm already jumping the gun on the HOF candidates debate. Discuss. Based on my own fed's history, Lord Nexus would be in as a member of TitanPower, but I see Chewey's point. A few years ago, the Sporting News ran a story about the increasing number of "mediocre" baseball HOF inductees. In the piece, an idea about putting a cap on how many people could be inducted into the Hall. It listed 25 members, and then went on to state than in order to induct someone new, an existing member had to be replaced. Granted, I found this idea to be beyond moronic, but it did contain one interesting note: Jackie Robinson was the lone member who could never be replaced due to his huge impact on the game of baseball. While I certainly don't consider the accomplishments of Lord Nexus, or any other fictional character, to be on par with those of Jackie Robinson, I do like the concept of someone being recognized for significant, non-performance, contributions made to the sport. Lord Nexus would be one of those individuals. |
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Post by MikeMcKinney on Apr 8, 2007 20:30:37 GMT -5
Hall of Fame is just thatand there shouldn't be different parameters. The only possible thing with different wings should be GWF, cPc, AcE, LOW but voting would be the same. yea what he said. |
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Post by mikefortune on Apr 9, 2007 0:01:45 GMT -5
I would vote for separate wings. Just for the simple fact that actual HOF's have separate wings. The Hockey Hall has 5 areas. players, coaches, builders, women and international. If you are eligible for more than 1 category then so be it but break it up.
Marcus Allen is the all time holder of the passing record in football but the NFL will not recognize that feat because he didn't play in the NFL. The NFL should make a "wing" for other football leagues like Arena, CFL and Europe. Hockey has done this and so has Baseball.
In doing this you allow all aspects of (the game) wrestling to become eligible for the HOF.
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Post by stephenvegas on Apr 9, 2007 1:12:53 GMT -5
I think the wrestlers and tag teams should be all together for sure.. I would be ok with a separate area for non-wrestlers, but I'd prefer we just specify the induction, like the basketball hall of fame.. they don't have a 'wing' for coaches, they just induct guys Wildifre, I'm really not sure I understand what you are saying. The Basketball hall of fame doesn't "just" induct people, they do it specifically based it on a certain aspect of a person's career. Lenny Wilkins, for example, was inducted in the basketball hall of fame first in 1989 as a player and then later in 1998 as a coach. |
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Post by Wildfire on Apr 9, 2007 10:07:42 GMT -5
Right, but they don't have separate voting for coaches, or a 'coaches room' (or perhaps now they do, I haven't been since the last remodelling)
That's what I was trying to get at.. I don't think Mangers and such should be voted on separately.
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Post by Vidtek on Apr 9, 2007 15:50:55 GMT -5
I think that seperate wings would be a good idea for reasons already stated. And Lord Nexus is a prime example of why. He had a decent singles career durring the early years, a good run in Tag Teams as well with TitanPower, and a great run as a manager of some of the best new tallent in the GWF. He even lead the "Peace heroes" to victory over the "War Heroes" (or whatever names they where using during that feud. I don't have the books in front of me.). Yes, putting him in the HoF as a single inductee and mentioning all his accomplishments is one option, but I don't think it's the right one.
Having seperate "wings" for each fed is another good idea. I was toying with the idea of starting a CPC HoF myself. And of couse it could include anyone who has been in the CPC before and that would include the fed wars eras. This means that someone like Terminus or Paragon could be inducted into both Halls. And they deserve it. So would Prodigy.
All in all, seperate "wings" makes the most sence to me. But it is up to the majority.
Big Time
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Post by mikefortune on Apr 9, 2007 22:04:50 GMT -5
Since we are using Lord Nexus as our example I will continue. As a singles wrestler there is a good chance he will make in my HOF. He held every title in the GWF singles and tag. Titan Power held the I-G titles for a record 33 striaght defences. The did hold both tag titles a few times as well. He will become a manager for me next year and I can see him having success because of the talent in the Titans. So Nexus has a good chance of making the HOF in 3 catagories.
You don't really see this in other sports as much. Wayne Gretzky was the most dominate athlete to ever play his sport and an easy HOF'er but as a coach that is still undecided.
In some sport's HOF they have a builders catagory. This is where I can see someone like Lord Nexus or Commissioner Carter getting inducted into.
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