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Post by Raab on Oct 4, 2004 15:00:58 GMT -5
wait wait Euritar is in the CPC??? Did I miss that in the 2119 booklet??
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Post by GalactiKing on Oct 4, 2004 20:09:08 GMT -5
No he isn't.
Mollock card would be fun. ;D
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Post by Thad Killian on Oct 14, 2004 13:03:17 GMT -5
Well, it is assumed that Puma goes to the dark side and joins Darwin's Legacy and Rubicon...so, the logical choice would be a Mullock card...he has been in obscority (I know that I spelled this wrong...sheesh!) since he has been introduced.
Another would be bringing Mensar (assuming that he isn't Rubicon...these two have faced and they seem to mirror one another in several aspects)....anyway, that was my two cents.
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Post by wildman on Oct 14, 2004 13:55:59 GMT -5
I doubt that Mensar is Rubicon  I have been waiting for a Mollock card since his vital stats were put in a Promoter years ago saying that he stands at almost 8 feet tall!!! I forget the exact height. In the mean time i could always use the bootleg i created. Its in the alternative wrestler section on the board ;D |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Oct 16, 2004 14:33:07 GMT -5
Tom and I have had some brief discussions about Mensar's fate, and specifically which fed he might wind up in. One of the reasons I wrote him out was that Tom told me he might want him back at some point. That still could happen, but I'd say that at the moment, a CPC return is probably more likely.
That being said, don't expect it in 2120, or probably even 2121. But he'll be back somewhere in the next few sets in some (as yet unimagined) role.
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Post by GalactiKing on Oct 16, 2004 16:26:44 GMT -5
Saboteur and Mensar both returning sooner or later. That would be great. It would be really interesting seeing them together. Mark, have you got a definite ending for True Way and All the World's a Stage yet?
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Post by Joe on Oct 17, 2004 15:03:00 GMT -5
It would seem that if Mensar is going to return to either the GWF or the CPC, he should do so soon. I realize he was probably very young when debuted in 2112, however he left in 2117. When you get into the area of someone being gone as long they were around, that person runs the risk of becoming irrelevant.
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Post by GalactiKing on Oct 17, 2004 16:06:58 GMT -5
I agree. Which is why I think it would help if Mark put little teasers there just like Tom did with Paragon when it looked like he was going to join the Rocket Men.
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Post by Swarm on Oct 18, 2004 21:03:12 GMT -5
Tom and I have had some brief discussions about Mensar's fate, and specifically which fed he might wind up in. One of the reasons I wrote him out was that Tom told me he might want him back at some point. That still could happen, but I'd say that at the moment, a CPC return is probably more likely. That being said, don't expect it in 2120, or probably even 2121. But he'll be back somewhere in the next few sets in some (as yet unimagined) role. See, that is the problem. ...(as yet unimagined) role. WHY? And not until 2122 if even then? MARK, you DO NOT deserve Mensar. But if Tom is too proud, too stupid, or too stubborn to use Mensar, a guy people have been BEGGING for, then he deserves to have this fine character mis-used and mis-handled (again), in the CPC, and by Mark. Hey Tom, let's not make the mistake the WWE does, which is to ignore the fans and put whatever crap they feel is "better" (ex: GWF CHAMPION, Euritar, NOT part of New Beginnings BUT we get THE BETRAYER. Gee, thanks Tom!) out there and expect us to buy it. Sorry thr truth hurts. And not putting out another edition until next year is going to do nothing but increase the production of SOLD bootleg sets, and less interest in COTG. Not smart. |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Oct 18, 2004 22:42:47 GMT -5
Hostile much, Swarm?
Mensar was "just another big guy" in the GWF for me...but in 2117, he's emerging as *the* runaway superstar in the CPC.
It could be argued that Mensar was "mishandled" from day one...after all, he's always been in Cordanus' shadow, just like Encubus and (until very recently) Bloodline was in Thantos'...
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Post by Joe on Oct 19, 2004 9:34:48 GMT -5
See, that is the problem. ...(as yet unimagined) role. WHY? And not until 2122 if even then? MARK, you DO NOT deserve Mensar. But if Tom is too proud, too stupid, or too stubborn to use Mensar, a guy people have been BEGGING for, then he deserves to have this fine character mis-used and mis-handled (again), in the CPC, and by Mark. Hey Tom, let's not make the mistake the WWE does, which is to ignore the fans and put whatever crap they feel is "better" (ex: GWF CHAMPION, Euritar, NOT part of New Beginnings BUT we get THE BETRAYER. Gee, thanks Tom!) out there and expect us to buy it. Sorry thr truth hurts. And not putting out another edition until next year is going to do nothing but increase the production of SOLD bootleg sets, and less interest in COTG. Not smart. Although I do not agree with Swarm's manner of addressing this subject, he does make some good points. Mensar, whether just another big guy or a flat-out superstar, is a character that many people have a significant amount of interest in. He was the star player from one of Tom's finest sets. To allow him to fade into obscurity despite the wishes of many promoters is not a questionable decision. Personally, I would like to see the return of both Mensar and, in some role, Cordanus. Swarm also makes a good point about Euritar. He was the reigning GWF Champion in the Promoter rankings, which showed he was obviously getting major play in various federations. While I have heard the statement that Euritar did not fit into the 2119 GWF, I don't agree with that. Did anyone ever think that Euriar could have been a loner who sought nothing but titles? To write him out because he did not fit on a particular team makes little sense. There have been many successful independent wrestlers in the history of the GWF. Back to Mensar. As I stated earlier, if he doesn't return soon, it is probably best to leave him at home. |
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Post by wildman on Oct 19, 2004 9:43:14 GMT -5
For me, Mensar was only dominant in Mensa Table Matches. I did however want to keep him around. As far as Euritar, I would have LOVED to have him in the CPC!!!! I can see him competing with Brainstorm for the top spot in the Penthouse Suite ;D
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Oct 19, 2004 9:55:51 GMT -5
While Euritar COULD have been a true "man without a country", just out to win titles, he would have been gone within a year or two anyway...look at previous examples: Matador of M83, Enigma and (to a lesser extent, in that he never truly went solo) Terminus...if a single minded focus on gold is their reason for being in either fed, that usually means Tom and Mark have nothing else to do with them...and when the express purpose of 2119 was (whether you thought it was executed properly or not) to dramatically scale the roster back, a "gotta get the gold" guy really didn't fit on the roster.
As far as Mensar, given ambiguities of age, both his and the aging of Mensans in general, his return COULD be held off for a couple of year though, of course, it is liable to lose impact...i.e., the later Tom or Mark wait to bring him back, the bigger splash he will have to make out of the gate.
Mensar, or Euritar, for that matter has never been particularly interesting characters to me...Mensar had an inkling of personality, and that was a boatload more than Euritar...the second comings of, say, Chaos and The Matador they weren't...but that may be all the more reason to be upset with their disappearances...the loss of unfulfilled potential.
I can't particularly say what I would do in Tom or Mark's shoes...personally, I am missing Godsend and Saboteur WAY more than Mensar and Euritar, but heck, maybe there's room for everyone's favorite young guns. And while you may be looking at Czar or Tanck and saying "Who needs these jokers, we want Mensar!", keep in mind that at least part of what has to factor into Tom and Mark's creative minds is that, ESPECIALLY in such a low profit endeavor (neither man has yet been able to afford to give up their day job) they have to try be true to what they're feeling creatively.
Just food for thought is all.
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Post by GalactiKing on Oct 19, 2004 10:00:40 GMT -5
I agree with Tommy. Godsend and Saboteur were guys with great personalities which make them far more interesting to me than Mensar(who I wouldn't mind seeing back, but won't tear my hair to get him back) or Euritar(perhaps the most boring major guy in the history of GWF or CPC)
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Post by wildman on Oct 19, 2004 11:07:58 GMT -5
I too am anticipating the return of Sabateur
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Post by Trent Lawless on Oct 20, 2004 15:29:26 GMT -5
Saboteur will return in 2122. Take it to the bank. And he'll do it his way, meaning a BIG way.
Mensar may wind up staying at home in the end. I don't want to force a guy's return if I don't have a plan in mind that makes him relevant. I do plan at least the frameworks of sets way in advance (I've got the feud structures pretty well plotted through 2122, with some wiggle room for the unexpected). Mensar just hasn't been put into those plans because his future has been up in the air for a while. Tom had said he might want him back, so I didn't want to plan anything for him and then have him yanked away. I'd rather "add to" instead of "subtract from" when I have to alter a set.
So take it for what it's worth. He may be back. He may not. I honestly can't say right now.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Oct 20, 2004 15:58:27 GMT -5
Mensar was a good character- one I would like to see come back. I do think that him being misused in the CPC was incorrect- he fit the role to head a dominant team that was stacked to win- and did not. Chaos had much the same problem.
Euritar is okay, but I would like to see him come back.
I actually had the two as a team for a long time, and they wroked well together.
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Post by wildman on Oct 20, 2004 21:56:54 GMT -5
Saboteur will return in 2122. Take it to the bank. And he'll do it his way, meaning a BIG way AAAAAAAAAAAAGH!! THATS 3 EDITIONS, WHICH MIGHT TAKE 3 YEARS TO GET. I CANT STAND THE ANTICIPATION!!!!!!!! ;D  |
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Post by GalactiKing on Oct 20, 2004 23:06:09 GMT -5
Tom said that this one year is a one time thing. I can't wait for Sabs turn. Can we jump up to 2122 now? ;D
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Post by Trent Lawless on Oct 22, 2004 8:43:07 GMT -5
It could be 2121 for Saboteur, but there's a reason I want it to percolate one set longer. I'd rather not rush things, as you'll see why sometime in July 2006. So now just wait and suffer! BWAHAHAHAHA! ;D
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I have been waiting for a Mollock card since his vital stats were put in a Promoter years ago saying that he stands at almost 8 feet tall!!! I forget the exact height. In the mean time i could always use the bootleg i created. Its in the alternative wrestler section on the board ;D
IPPON!!