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Post by gatekeeper on Nov 8, 2006 23:34:48 GMT -5
With all this talk of Cena and Lawler, I had to pose the question.
I don't see how anyone can think Jerry Lawler is this great wrestler. I've seen like 50 of matches and here's his move set: kick, punch, the occasional suplex and the piledriver.
I know people like him so that's why I'm asking.
What do you think?
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Post by swarm on Nov 8, 2006 23:45:51 GMT -5
You can't be bee serious Payback? Jerry Lawler has two moves...fist drop, piledriver. John Cena makes Jerry Lawler look like Little Beaver.  X  =  strong! |
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Post by Knapik on Nov 8, 2006 23:52:13 GMT -5
Haha yeah Cena's moveset is insane.
I love Cena. Better all time? Has to be Lawler. Better now? Cena, of course...
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Post by theace4ever on Nov 8, 2006 23:54:03 GMT -5
you're talking two different eras of wrestling here...
Cena is a good sports-entertainer, good on the stick and a fairly decent worker.
Lawler was primarily a brawler, had good mic skills, and a strong work ethic...there's no denying that the man is a legend and packed asses in the seats for years at the Mid-South Coliseum and throughout that territory.
This is a day and age where "sports-entertainment" is watched worldwide thanks to cable television, for the better part of Lawler's heyday the exposure was alot more limited to the area where the fed was promoted in.
As for more entertaining...easily Lawler...he can still outwork half the schmucks on the WWE roster today
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Post by Pete on Nov 9, 2006 0:02:42 GMT -5
With all this talk of Cena and Lawler, I had to pose the question. I don't see how anyone can think Jerry Lawler is this great wrestler. I've seen like 50 of matches and here's his move set: kick, punch, the occasional suplex and the piledriver. Is that more than Cena's got? Lawler's offense was good for its day--a lot of top guys didn't do any suplexes, much less the 2 or 3 Lawler did. Plus he had the flying legdrop as a regular part of his arsenal, and he was a fantastic bumper, and brilliant psychologically. Wrestling isn't about counting moves, it's about telling a story, which Lawler could do to perfection. (AJ Styles has more moves than Cena, Austin, and the Rock combined. Guess who I think is better.) Neither one is great on the mat but Lawler still had the advantage there. Lawler could hang with Bockwinkel in 30-minute technical bouts without embarrassing himself. Cena has come up in an environment where mat wrestling is meaningless so it's not his fault, but facts is facts. Right *now* I much prefer Cena to Lawler...Lawler's current "Am I a heel or a face?" act wore thin years ago. But all-time? This is not even close. It's Lawler. |
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Post by swarm on Nov 9, 2006 0:13:22 GMT -5
anyone who votes for Lawler doesn't understand wrestling is a business. Jerry Lawler helped run goofy Memphis wrestling into bankrupcy...Cena makes Vince millions.
those are the facts.
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Post by Pete on Nov 9, 2006 0:17:55 GMT -5
anyone who votes for Lawler doesn't understand wrestling is a business. Jerry Lawler helped run goofy Memphis wrestling into bankrupcy...Cena makes Vince millions. Yes, Memphis went out of business...after Lawler was the top guy for four times as long as Cena has been, in a number of different roles, and years after any other territory was still alive. I don't even dislike Cena. Many of his disadvantages are not his fault. But they're still there. Lawler's career >> Cena's at this point. |
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Post by swarm on Nov 9, 2006 0:25:47 GMT -5
I also beelieve he helped USWA lose their a**. I don't care how long he was the top guy in Memphis...that means nothing.
That's like being the richest guy in the trailer park. not much to brag about.
The fed went BK. He made them no money because he was terrible. Cena makes money for Vince because he is awesome.
Saying Lawler had a better career than Cena is insane.
Really?
Because Lawler was WWF Champion how many times?
Oh yeah, zero.
When even Bret Hart couldn't carry sorry-sack-of-crap Jerry Lawler to a decent match, Vince, being the genius that he is stuck Lawler fat can behind the announcers table where he best belongs.
Lawler was always garbage.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Nov 9, 2006 0:25:59 GMT -5
But the question posed wasn't "who was/is the better draw"? It was a vague, ambiguous "who was/is better".
Payback, in his initial post, said nothing about who the better draw was...he mocked Lawler's moveset when Cena has a similarly limited punch, kick, shoulderblock, Five Knuckle Shuffle, FU, STFU.
Truthfully, Cena entertains me more...but that argument is just silly.
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Post by gwffantrav on Nov 9, 2006 0:26:01 GMT -5
Cena sucks...anyone who likes him must be in love with man muscles. No ability...just a WWE hype machine product  POWERFULLY BUILT! |
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Post by swarm on Nov 9, 2006 0:30:34 GMT -5
But the question posed wasn't "who was/is the better draw"? It was a vague, ambiguous "who was/is better". Payback, in his initial post, said nothing about who the better draw was...he mocked Lawler's moveset when Cena has a similarly limited punch, kick, shoulderblock, Five Knuckle Shuffle, FU, STFU. Truthfully, Cena entertains me more...but that argument is just silly. You have a point. Maybe Lawler wasn't the reason Memphis went under...maybe it was the fact that the fan base was poor and just didn't have enough money to spend on "wrasslin'". makes sense. |
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Post by moderntimes on Nov 9, 2006 0:47:58 GMT -5
I had to go with Lawler. Lawler was such a versatile wrestler be it heel or face and always had an auidence in the palm of his hand. Cena really can't claim that and while he is warming up to me, it's hard to say that he was a better wrestler than Lawler.
Memphis went under because it's time was passed. Wrestling went past the territorial system and Memphis couldn't survive any longer. There is still a form of Memphis wrestling that I'm sure still draws pretty well. WWF/E also used PPW in Memphis as a developmental territory for a short time. Kurt Angle actually made his professional debut there.
Dylan penned very powerfully "The Times They Are a-Changin'", that song essentially describes why Memphis met it's inevitable downfall.
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Post by GOODZILLA on Nov 9, 2006 0:49:44 GMT -5
Dylan penned very powerfully "The Times They Are a-Changin'", that song essentially describes why Memphis met it's inevitable downfall. It takes a genius to make a Bob Dylan quote relevant on a fantasy wrestling game forum. I like it. ;D |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Nov 9, 2006 0:49:49 GMT -5
But the question posed wasn't "who was/is the better draw"? It was a vague, ambiguous "who was/is better". Payback, in his initial post, said nothing about who the better draw was...he mocked Lawler's moveset when Cena has a similarly limited punch, kick, shoulderblock, Five Knuckle Shuffle, FU, STFU. Truthfully, Cena entertains me more...but that argument is just silly. You have a point. Maybe Lawler wasn't the reason Memphis went under...maybe it was the fact that the fan base was poor and just didn't have enough money to spend on "wrasslin'". makes sense. That's a fact? Indeed. I mean, I know that Tulsa's oil bust and the ensuing economic slump killed Bill Watts' UWF... But I wasn't aware of any such situations in Memphis. I just kinda assumed that Vince gradually hiring away their top stars who weren't on the verge of retirement (Lawler aside) had a hand in it. |
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Post by tenzan on Nov 9, 2006 2:05:33 GMT -5
Lawler -- don't even need to think about it.
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Post by bmurderh8s on Nov 9, 2006 7:05:45 GMT -5
With all this talk of Cena and Lawler, I had to pose the question. I don't see how anyone can think Jerry Lawler is this great wrestler. I've seen like 50 of matches and here's his move set: kick, punch, the occasional suplex and the piledriver. I know people like him so that's why I'm asking. What do you think? Sounds a lot like Cena's badly preformed moveset. Lawler fireballs Cena and then puts his flaming head out via piledriver. Nuff said. |
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Post by inquisator2 on Nov 9, 2006 7:13:35 GMT -5
Lawler is a legend.......a master of ring psychology.......with the ability to tell a story and advance an angle better then most people in the business.....
Cena is a kid created by the modern wrestling mindset..........great charisma.....but young...........have this discussion in 10 years or so...
Its Lawler of course.....
and last i checked Memphis was/is one of the ONLY reginonal promotions that survived.....
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Post by GalactiKing on Nov 9, 2006 7:18:45 GMT -5
Nowadays Cena would be, but in his prime, Jerry Lawler was actually one of the best wrestlers out there. Not necessarily in terms of moves, but in his abilities to have good matches and get incredible heat in ways most wrestlers wish they could.
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Post by bmurderh8s on Nov 9, 2006 7:31:52 GMT -5
anyone who votes for Lawler doesn't understand wrestling is a business. Jerry Lawler helped run goofy Memphis wrestling into bankrupcy...Cena makes Vince millions. those are the facts. Milli Vanilli made a lot of money for their record label and they sucked balls. |
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Post by theace4ever on Nov 9, 2006 7:46:54 GMT -5
anyone who votes for Lawler doesn't understand wrestling is a business. Jerry Lawler helped run goofy Memphis wrestling into bankrupcy...Cena makes Vince millions. those are the facts. Milli Vanilli made a lot of money for their record label and they sucked balls. awesome point DMK |
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