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Post by azfan on Jan 3, 2008 23:52:08 GMT -5
Notice all the other Republicans bashing Romney? They're going to end up with a split party. Huckabee has already alienated some people. Anyone see the debate where Guiliani was asked a bible question, and Huckabee spoke up and said, "i'll help you with that." He is the Christian Leader after all.(Those "Mormons" you took little shots at vote Republican stupid.) Plus several influential people like George Will and Rush Limbaugh have been speaking out against him. Oh and there's those comments about women from 10 years ago. That'll be great if he runs against Hillary.
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Post by Tournament Master on Jan 4, 2008 0:30:22 GMT -5
I really do believe this is the Republican's election to lose Really? To me it seems like who ever wins the Democratic nomination has it won before November. Then again I live in the Northeast, so the media is a bit skewed... |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Jan 4, 2008 5:14:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know that it's the Republicans' election to lose, either. Nor do I think the Dems have a lock on it. It should be interesting to see how the matchup winds up playing out. If the Repubs vote in Huckabee, though, I think they lose. Romney, Rudy, and McCain I think have a better chance nationally.
Then again, the evangelicals that support Huckabee do have some clout.
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Post by azfan on Jan 4, 2008 10:28:41 GMT -5
Yeah you'd think with the war it would be the Dems election to lose. Huckabee might have some Evangelicals, but i bet he turns off some old time Republicans. Fox had Rush Limbaugh call in last night, and apparently Huckabee's people have made some derogatory comments about Limbaugh. Another smart move.They're already demoralized, and not too happy with the candidates. Remember, if the electoral map is the same as last time, they Democrats only have to win one more state to swing it in their favor.
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Post by Aquinas on Jan 4, 2008 10:35:27 GMT -5
When I say that it's the Republican's election to use, this is why I feel that way -- I firmly believe that Hillary is unelectable. She's too divisive a figure, with too much negative baggage.....she doesn't come across as a good person....frankly, she's really not that qualified (at least as much as she touts), I think there's as much Clinton fatigue as there is Bush fatigue....all those things mean that there's a large segment of the population who won't vote for her. I think she does worse than Kerry nationally. I'm hard pressed, in my life, to find anyone-- even amongst people on the left side of the spectrum -- who likes Hillary.
As for Obama, I think there are large chunks of the country (the South for one), for various reasons (some of them not good reasons) who also will not vote for him. I think he's about as inexperienced as you can get. Seems like a good guy, a genuine guy....but I don't think he'll do well nationally.
With that said, I think a Romney would win. Huckabee, I just don't feel good about. McCain probably beats both of those Dems too....although he'll take a knock for the fact that the media and others love him because he bucks the Republican party a lot, but they'll turn on him the minute he's facing a single Democratic opponent.
I think Thompson, if he somehow rebounded, would solidly defeat Obama or Clinton as well.
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Post by Wildfire on Jan 4, 2008 10:59:13 GMT -5
I think this election is interesting because the 'frontrunners' all have major barriers to being elected... Obama (and Clinton, to a less extent) have prejudice issues, while Huckabee adn Ronmey have their religious affiliations that turn some people off. Edwards, I think is too much of a one issue guy to really have a chance, and McCain, while I loved him 4 years ago, seems.... old now, maybe a little out of touch. OTOH, Obama winning last night is HUGE for him (and a big blow to Clinton, IMHO) so maybe being the 'change' guy can overcome the race card in the current envriornment. Personally, I still like Joe Biden  |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Jan 4, 2008 12:08:29 GMT -5
As for Obama, I think there are large chunks of the country (the South for one), for various reasons (some of them not good reasons) who also will not vote for him. I think he's about as inexperienced as you can get. Seems like a good guy, a genuine guy....but I don't think he'll do well nationally. But the South doesn't vote Democratic, anyway, so that's no big loss to them. And as stated above, all the Dems need is one more swing state than they got in '04 with a much less appealing candidate than Obama to win the electoral college. Doesn't have to be from the South. Ohio would do just fine! Very possibly. Against Clinton, almost definitely. Well, having the job I do, I get to read a lot of political stuff from different ends of the spectrum, and I just read Huckabee's article in the most recent Foreign Affairs magazine. He's got some decent ideas about foreign policy, more than I would've given a Southern governor credit for. But I also have a few hinky feelings about him. But since I'm not even a Republican, I guess I would, wouldn't I? What I mean is that given the choice between him and Romney, I'd take Romney. McCain could probably beat Hillary, but I really don't think he could beat Obama. It's kind of like when Dole went up against Bill. Although the incumbent, Bill still came off looking like he was more in touch because of his age and demeanor. McCain isn't as sour as Dole was, but Obama is just charismatic gold, and not empty of ideas, either. Honestly, I don't know that more voters care about lack of experience or not. Status quo hasn't seemed to work for quite a while. Reagan was the last president who really promised something different and delivered. I think lots of people are willing to take that chance again with an Obama. If that happens, time will tell if they're right. Couldn't disagree more. Thompson reminds me of a turtle who only comes out when it suits him. He just doesn't seem like he's even all that into the idea of running. I think even Hillary beats him. Not by a lot, but I bet she would. Obama would win about all the swing states against Thompson, I'd wager. Moot point probably, because I don't see how he'll get enough momentum at this point to be a factor. |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Jan 4, 2008 17:33:54 GMT -5
Just read a funny poem about Romney in a lefty magazine, The Nation (author Calvin Trillin): Mitt Romney as Doll
Yes, Mitt's so slick of speech and slick of garb, he
Reminds us all of Ken, of Ken and Barbie—
So quick to shed his moderate regalia,
He may, like Ken, be lacking genitalia.  |
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Post by DUCE on Jan 4, 2008 19:45:10 GMT -5
I voted McCain on the poll but I am liking Ron Paul more and more.
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Post by stephenvegas on Jan 8, 2008 21:29:24 GMT -5
CNN is projecting John McCain as today's winner of New Hampshire.
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Post by Chewey on Jan 15, 2008 8:48:02 GMT -5
I really do believe this is the Republican's election to lose, and I just think Huckabee is the weakest candidate. On that note...    |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Jan 15, 2008 9:29:16 GMT -5
Chewey, go back to China if you're gonna act like that.  |
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Post by Aquinas on Jan 15, 2008 9:35:17 GMT -5
I'd like to think that the Huckabee train has already departed I think he's starting to get exposed as something of a sham. |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Jan 15, 2008 10:29:16 GMT -5
Yeah, Huck's got no chance long-term. Maybe whoever gets the nomination will take him on as a VP candidate to appeal to the Christian right.
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Post by Chewey on Jan 15, 2008 14:04:32 GMT -5
You gotta give me a break.. the Huckabee banners didn't work in China.
But South Carolina is still coming up, and Huck has a lead in the polls there. Random trivia fact: the Republican candidate for the general election has used South Carolina to turn to its conservative base in each election year since 1988.
Romney will take Michigan today. After all, he is originally from there.
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Post by azfan on Jan 16, 2008 22:38:47 GMT -5
Yeah, Huck's got no chance long-term. Maybe whoever gets the nomination will take him on as a VP candidate to appeal to the Christian right. If it's Romney , i can't see him taking Huckabee on as VP. Huckabee spoke ten years ago, in Salt Lake City, at a Baptists convention with a lot of anti-Mormon rhetoric. Besides his more recent sarcastic comments. |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Jan 17, 2008 5:11:53 GMT -5
Oh, I don't think Huckabee as VP is all that likely, either. It's just that the VP selection is often calculated to fill in a gap that the presidential candidate lacks. A better choice for whoever wins the Republican nomination and wants more of the evangelical vote would probably be Sen. Sam Brownback from Kansas, who was in the race briefly but dropped out. He's got great cred with the religious right.
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Post by Chad Olson on Jan 17, 2008 7:32:33 GMT -5
Oh, I don't think Huckabee as VP is all that likely, either. It's just that the VP selection is often calculated to fill in a gap that the presidential candidate lacks. A better choice for whoever wins the Republican nomination and wants more of the evangelical vote would probably be Sen. Sam Brownback from Kansas, who was in the race briefly but dropped out. He's got great cred with the religious right. When Brownback was still in the race back in August, his bus pulled out in front of me and a couple of other cars, causing us all to hit the brakes. I was glad to see him drop out. Would you vote for someone who flagrantly runs stop signs? |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Jan 17, 2008 12:22:45 GMT -5
He's from Kansas. Everything's flat and you can see for miles. Do they even need stop signs there? |
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Post by stephenvegas on Jan 22, 2008 21:51:33 GMT -5
Fred Thompson, after finishing 3rd in South Carolina's primary on Saturday, has withdrawn from this race.
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