OK GROUP HUDDLE THIS MEANS EVERYBODY.

[blueraider2]

i voted yes since i've never used them since buying the game.

[krisosk]

wernermueck said:

I agree with Todd. Single player: yes. Mulitplayer: no.

Right on.

~ :-Xsk

[MikeMcKinney]

swarm said:

traviz said:

Are these results going to be forwarded to Tom?

If it is decided to drop the charts in an "official" manner, should there be new mechanics to make use of power and agility ratings?

No. I talked to Tom last night and while he always uses the ch charts, he feels an updated version may be in need. So we will see.

Updated CH chart would be nice

[swo]

I vote no.

I have to admit, they pi$$ed me off for a while. But I think we need something to break the game play and the charts do that. Without them I think game play is just too basic.They certainly add something in my opinion.
I also believe we need the charts updated.

[Chad Olson]

I voted no.

Since these optional or advanced rules, if you don't like them, just don't use them. Doesn't mean you're playing the game wrong.

And to TX, if you don't like the move selection on the chart, you could use the move that's on the wrestler's card as the move that's being performed. That way, not everyone is performing the same moves or moves that might not be as realistic for that wrestler. That's what I do, and that's how I plan out the moves on the LOW cards when we're writing those. Keeps it from being a "throw away move" that never gets used if you're playing with the choice charts.

[Hegemony]

The majority of people, at least thus far, seem to be in favor of getting rid of the ch charts. However, this doesn't mean that the minority still cannot use them at their leisure. In fact, this vocal minority may find greater aesthetic value in this version of the game than the seeming masses find in their preference to not use them. Who are we to judge which is better, instead we should recognize that some things enjoyed by a smaller amount of people can be just as good as elements, genres, etc. enjoyed by a greater majority.

[swarm]

hegemony said:

The majority of people, at least thus far, seem to be in favor of getting rid of the ch charts. However, this doesn't mean that the minority still cannot use them at their leisure. In fact, this vocal minority may find greater aesthetic value in this version of the game than the seeming masses find in their preference to not use them. Who are we to judge which is better, instead we should recognize that some things enjoyed by a smaller amount of people can be just as good as elements, genres, etc. enjoyed by a greater majority.

ch charts still > ROH

[Hegemony]

swarm said:

hegemony said:

The majority of people, at least thus far, seem to be in favor of getting rid of the ch charts. However, this doesn't mean that the minority still cannot use them at their leisure. In fact, this vocal minority may find greater aesthetic value in this version of the game than the seeming masses find in their preference to not use them. Who are we to judge which is better, instead we should recognize that some things enjoyed by a smaller amount of people can be just as good as elements, genres, etc. enjoyed by a greater majority.

ch charts still > ROH

Well played, sir.

Now, how about the results of your humbling in TGFITG tonight.

[swarm]

I've actually got about 7 cards I need to write up I've played...I will tell you this though, the Swarm vs. Hegemony BEST TO 10 FALLS CLASSIC spawned from a shocking Hegemony victory over the Icon at BFC 19. By submission w HEGEMONIC BORDERS to add to the insult of losing to the GWFZ rookie. I actually love the feud. Great character. So this next match is huge.

[daytondave]

I voted NO. I agree that there is an issue with unrealistic moves, like the choke slam, so I will just substitute in the original move and make the wrestler do the roll. Sure, Bobo Brazil never did a leg drop off the top rope, but he also didn't connect on every falling elbow he ever attempted. The Choice Chart is one of the few ways that a wrestler can "botch" a move and turn the momentum in a match.

I say, keep the chart and use your imagination to fill in the details. Or, if you don't like the charts, don't use them, but keep them available for the gamers who like to have them handy.

[spiderbite]

I voted no since it is an optional choice anyways. But after reading through the discussion I decided to play several cards without using the ch chart and I liked it. I'll probally continue to do so too.

[BDS]

The ch charts add too much depth to the cards to be dropped, IMO. It gives you subtle variances in power levels that straight "move - 3" on a card can't provide, and it also gives wrestlers weaknesses that wouldn't otherwise be there. Dropping those takes away a lot of flavor from the cards. Optional is fine, but I don't think we'd ever want to take the option away.

Now a NEW ch chart I'd be all in favor of.

[jcr48]

No. Using the choice is fun and after using them enough I have them memorized.

[Darth Turkish]

No. The charts add depth. and the ability to miss moves and create drama. Without them, every match would feel the same.

I did not like everyone with choice C using a spinning neckbreaker, so I created a new chart myself that allowed greater move options. That helps take the boring and unrealistic aspects out out the match somewhat.
.

[Wildfire]

troy said:

I think my main issue is that not only do they slow down the match(and heaven forbid you misplace the charts), but they don't add that much. It's even worse for low when you know a wrestler never did a dragon suplex or a choke slam in his life.

I agree with you that some of the moves themselves are a ittle wonky, but the concept is a really important part of the game, IMO... without it, there's really little use for the ag and pw ratings.

Are they perfect? Certainly not, but I think they're an important part of the game and I'll continue to use them. I've tried not using them a couple times and you definately get a lot more upsets, more than you want, IMO.

[swarm]

Wow 19 - 19. I will admit I was only able to get through one card without using them...I played FINAL SIGN OFF 2121 with them...I still don't know what to do. I want to use them but ya know what...I don't really like them. I think we need new and better ones.

[vansabu]

I broke the tie. I dont use them anyway I made my own and use others made charts.

[Wildfire]

I'd be all for new ones, or, better still, maybe replace them with more 'ag's and 'pw's, with modified rules for them...

Say, for instance, you have it look like this:

1 - Clothesline -2 (PW8)

This would be like a choice move on the guy's card... you'd roll 8 or less., +/- the opponents power.

Or, as some people do already, you add or subtract the DIFFERENCE in power between the two guys.

I think this would make the match flow alot better, and retain the importance of PW and AG.. the only down side is fewer move possibilites.

What do y'all think?

[traviz]

Man, "no" made a big comeback!

[Vidtek]

I voted "no". I wouldn't mind it getting an update, but I don't think it should be dumped all together. I think it is cool that a wrestler has options on those rolls, either go with the printed move and kow you'll hit it but not sure how bad or go for some other move that may not work but has a better chace at paying off. Personally I don't see a reason for having Level 2 moves on the chart because most of us will go for the Level 3 move, but that's just me.
Big Time