OK GROUP HUDDLE THIS MEANS EVERYBODY.

[swarm]

Ok. The first ever put all things aside lets all come together and make a big decision together, as a community, as one poll.

Should we scrap the ch charts?

That's the question.

If the majority of the people who partake in this agree that the winning vote will become the COTG Chris Ingersoll Super [censored] No.1 Board Universal ch chart rule.

Which basically means no more arguing about who's right and who's wrong, me included.

Of course in the end it's your fed promoter and you can do whatever you want but this still may be fun.

There has been a lot of good points for both arguments and maybe, as a community,on the heels of PROMOTER MADNESS, we, the PROMOTERS, can make a change,

That's my idea.






doug.

[steelthunder814]

Yes....The ch. have added little value in my fed IMO

[GalactiKing]

I think my main issue is that not only do they slow down the match(and heaven forbid you misplace the charts), but they don't add that much. It's even worse for low when you know a wrestler never did a dragon suplex or a choke slam in his life.

[swarm]

troy said:

I think my main issue is that not only do they slow down the match(and heaven forbid you misplace the charts), but they don't add that much. It's even worse for low when you know a wrestler never did a dragon suplex or a choke slam in his life.

Some good points by Frank here guys.

[traviz]

I am going to say no because I use them....
EXCEPT in triple threat matches because there is so much else going on. I can see why people don't use them at all tho.
Maybe if I tried to play without them it would change my mind.



maybe...

[jester]

I say...............YES
They are not used in the Butcher house any way , we go with the printed moves. Into the ropes/ turnbuckle and Out of the ring are enough charts to have to view. My two cents

[Knapik]

troy said:

It's even worse for low when you know a wrestler never did a dragon suplex or a choke slam in his life.

Now that's a great point. I concur.

[swarm]

Uh-oh 6 -2 already this may get ugly fans...

Look out!

[gatekeeper]

Swarm and I were talking about this as I was playing my 2nd GWFZ card and when I played the matches with the charts, I felt like I was rolling on that chart all the d**n time.

I did a few matches without using the charts and I actually liked it more. The pace of the matches were faster and just as someone stated, (or something similar) you can say that a wrestler without a ropes chart, doesn't like to throw guys into the ropes.

I'm (unbelievably) gonna say yes.

[JimSteel]

I say yes

I don't use the charts myself except on an occassion

[Tournament Master]

In one player game I can see getting rid of it, but in a two player game I think that takes alot of the strategy out of the game. I will continue to use them in my fed, with houserule modifications of course.

[Pete Beck]

I voted yes...

but...

for the longest time i didn't use them...

now that i am i am going to try the "difference" thing that Mark mentioned in the other thread to see how that works.

If it really makes a difference in outcome then i am going to stick with it...

if not, i'll go back to my old way of not using them...

[Werner Mueck]

I agree with Todd. Single player: yes. Mulitplayer: no.

[MikeMcKinney]

I vote YES!! Screw the "ch" chart. I don't use it anyways.

[jefft]

Personally, since I use Desktop and it doesn't take any time at all away from the match, I'd rather keep them. Although, I have them memorized anyway and it really doesn't take much time when I'm rolling anyway.

On a side note: I think it's funny that I mentioned that I made minor changes to a couple of my cards and didn't see anything wrong with that and the entire board reacted as if I'd murdered Tom and now it seems as if I play closer to the rules than most people. No choice charts GREATLY changes how the characters were supposed to intereract and how each character was created by Tom. Just like having a extra pin attempts for your champions also GREATLY affects outcomes as well. Changing a a couple lines on a few characters just affects the matches that character is in - no choice charts (and other house rules - like extra pin attempts for champs) affects EVERY match played.

Whatever makes your game most fun for you, that's what the final word - right or wrong who cares - should always be.

[traviz]

Are these results going to be forwarded to Tom?

If it is decided to drop the charts in an "official" manner, should there be new mechanics to make use of power and agility ratings?

[JMello]

I do not use the choice charts, at first I did, but it just made the matches too slow paced IMO. I would like to see some game mechanics incorporated on individual cards more, but less charts is always good, we have enough as is.

[swarm]

traviz said:

Are these results going to be forwarded to Tom?

If it is decided to drop the charts in an "official" manner, should there be new mechanics to make use of power and agility ratings?

No. I talked to Tom last night and while he always uses the ch charts, he feels an updated version may be in need. So we will see.

[Trent Lawless]

I'm a convert, but the other way.

I didn't use ch charts all the time until I started creating CPC cards. Then I realized how much difference they really made to the outcomes of matches, because I had to consider who should get what (ch) move, why, and where. It made a difference to my understanding of all the mechanics, and eventually I wasn't slowed down by it. (At first it took some getting used to.)

I vote no.

[Eliath]

I voted yes.

As I said before, It is my opinion that it is the card creation process needs to be revisited and tweaked a little bit to make the (ch) charts unneccessary.