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Post by Big Bri on Mar 18, 2005 1:39:32 GMT -5
Got a situation & question for all you aCe players...
Here's my situation: I play Early Classics and am about to start 2075. I want to add a couple of wrestlers to the fed but am not sure who I want to bring in. I will either bring in a couple cards from the DX Classics set and change their names or use a couple cards from Classics 3000. However, my original plan was to use the Classics 3000 cards for my aCe fed when I get there (light years away).
My question is: is the aCe fed set up as to where you could still add other characters if you wanted. From what I've skimmed about it here on the board it seems as if the fed has different rules than "normal" feds like GWF and CPC.
I guess if I can't add the 3000 guys to aCE, then I might as well toss them into my EC fed. Can somebody get back to me on this. I'd appreciate it!
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 18, 2005 8:40:02 GMT -5
Well, I guess you COULD..but aCe as written is designed as a four way power struggle for the fate of Dimension Y.
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Post by KevinW on Mar 18, 2005 20:11:54 GMT -5
Well, technically, the numbers are dead even. I don't have a problem with this small roster, since I have an Early Classics fed and the roster was even one less than that. actually,if you pair them up, the numbers are not there-in my book anywyas. Ramparts of Centra,murdok's crusade and Ravager army have two tag teams each-so there is room for oe more tag team to make those numbers add up. Then, we break it down into singles stars-undercards and main evenmters. I use a method taught to me by looking at the power and agility for determining placement. I start with a base of 10 and go from there. Every neagtive in power and agility adds on to the ten. Every PLUS to power and agility takes away from the ten. So, when you match it up that way-for undercards you have 6 competitors(Grovel, Lance At-las,Flatliner, Nemean,Noxius and Rouser) leaving the remaining 6 as main eventers.(aegis ,Murdok,Pagnax,Rankor, Grovel, Godsend) and Now, while you still have someone to face somone initially, you end up with at lest one competitor getting a bye, so,in my book, unles you want to do triple threats-which i save only for special occasions, I am lacking talent for aCe-thus the bootleg question! |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 18, 2005 21:49:40 GMT -5
actually,if you pair them up, the numbers are not there-in my book anywyas. Ramparts of Centra,murdok's crusade and Ravager army have two tag teams each-so there is room for oe more tag team to make those numbers add up. Then, we break it down into singles stars-undercards and main evenmters. I use a method taught to me by looking at the power and agility for determining placement. I start with a base of 10 and go from there. Every neagtive in power and agility adds on to the ten. Every PLUS to power and agility takes away from the ten. So, when you match it up that way-for undercards you have 6 competitors(Grovel, Lance At-las,Flatliner, Nemean,Noxius and Rouser) leaving the remaining 6 as main eventers.(aegis ,Murdok,Pagnax,Rankor, Grovel, Godsend) and Now, while you still have someone to face somone initially, you end up with at lest one competitor getting a bye, so,in my book, unles you want to do triple threats-which i save only for special occasions, I am lacking talent for aCe-thus the bootleg question! Ooook. Do whatever you like, that's the point of the game...but the Ramparts and the Crusade are the only ones with two full teams...since Mass Destruction and SWAT Team each share a member. As for the Tribesmen, it's not a giant leap to put Rankor and Paganax on a tag team to challenge Aegis/At-Las and Murdok/Godsend. And a simple mathematic system for determing placement isn't going to yield results. Way more than attributes go into who'se tops and who's not. Using the GWF for instance, Overkill (his original card) should outrank Murdok, for instance, but Murdok is going to pick up far more wins, because Overkill's overall weaker. I dunno, to me just arbitrarily adding people to inflate the numbers would kill part of the flavor of the set, but I certainly won't tell you *not* to, if it'll help you enjoy it more. |
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Post by Thad Killian on Mar 19, 2005 14:34:16 GMT -5
Got a situation & question for all you aCe players... Here's my situation: I play Early Classics and am about to start 2075. I want to add a couple of wrestlers to the fed but am not sure who I want to bring in. I will either bring in a couple cards from the DX Classics set and change their names or use a couple cards from Classics 3000. However, my original plan was to use the Classics 3000 cards for my aCe fed when I get there (light years away). My question is: is the aCe fed set up as to where you could still add other characters if you wanted. From what I've skimmed about it here on the board it seems as if the fed has different rules than "normal" feds like GWF and CPC. I guess if I can't add the 3000 guys to aCE, then I might as well toss them into my EC fed. Can somebody get back to me on this. I'd appreciate it! Yeah, i face the same dilemna...I'm thinking about having them in the seperate fed but have a loophole that I can actually put them in the GWF. Decisions...decisions... |
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Post by Mark 138 on Mar 19, 2005 17:25:35 GMT -5
I think the point is lost that this is not so much a wrestling federation as it is a war that is taking place in the ring instead of on the battlefield (for reasons outlined in the description book). It is logical that the teams will add some new recruits down the line, but they're not fighting for rakings and position on the card like in the GWF or CPC, they're fighting for their existence.So mid-card, main eventer, ect just isn't as important as it would be elsewhere.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 19, 2005 22:16:28 GMT -5
I think the point is lost that this is not so much a wrestling federation as it is a war that is taking place in the ring instead of on the battlefield (for reasons outlined in the description book). It is logical that the teams will add some new recruits down the line, but they're not fighting for rakings and position on the card like in the GWF or CPC, they're fighting for their existence.So mid-card, main eventer, ect just isn't as important as it would be elsewhere. Exactly what I've been saying, Storm Rider, good call. Nemean and Godsend are the only ones who may be fighting for "fame" and "glory"...everyone else is either fighting for survival, power or the like. And even then, Godsend is OBVIOUSLY wanting the Essence for himself...=P |
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Post by Mark 138 on Mar 19, 2005 23:22:31 GMT -5
Steering away from the question of aCe fed size, I have an observation and possible house rule for the Darkness Falls team. As Tommy noted in his review, they have moves known as "Hit Em High" and "Hit Em Low" respectively that are supposed to be tag team moves. But they are not described that way. It is said that Jakyll's Hit em High is a cross body block and is a tag move. It is also noted that Hit em low is a chopblock to the back of the knees and is a tag move. It seems quite obvious that "Hit em high/ hit em low" is a tag team move where Jakyll hits a cross body as Krypt does a chopblock from behind, much like the Midnight Express' "double goozle". However, there's no reason Jakyll can't hit a cross body or Krypt can't do a chopblock in a singles match. My house rule, and one I think should have been noted in the description guide, has those moves being level 2 moves in singles matches and the level 3 tag move in tag matches. Butcher Vachon in the Legends Hardcore edition has a move like that in the same position on his card. He has an "illeagal abdominal stretch-3" that becomes "abdominal stretch-2" if Mad Dog is not there. I truly believe that was the intention with Darkness Falls as well.
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Post by bauermann on Mar 20, 2005 4:46:57 GMT -5
Who are your Essence Champions?
My Essence Champion is: Murdok
My Essence Tag Team Champions are: The S.W.A.T. Team
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 20, 2005 8:47:47 GMT -5
I like that house rule, Storm Rider...keeps the moves viable in singles, but better in tag matches.
Good call.
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Post by Mark 138 on Mar 20, 2005 8:49:20 GMT -5
Who are your Essence Champions? My Essence Champion is: Murdok My Essence Tag Team Champions are: The S.W.A.T. Team There's actually a thread asking that same question a little farther down the board. My champions are the same as yours, interestingly. Murdok has the singles belt and S.W.A.T. Team are the tag beltholders. |
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Post by Mark 138 on Mar 20, 2005 9:01:56 GMT -5
I like that house rule, Storm Rider...keeps the moves viable in singles, but better in tag matches. Good call. It seems like a few of the moves and rules surrounding them could use a little clarification. Rankor's move is another one, again as you pointed out in your review. Is it just a +5 move, minus the opponents better attribute if they have a negitive number? Or would one actually add to the +5 if the wrestler only has positive number attributes? Would it become +6 vs. Nemean, for instance, or stay +5? Could a move really get as high as +7, as it would vs. Rouser? I'm going to assume it tops out at +5 personally. Maybe a little faq and rules clarification is in order. And it would be greatly appreciated if it were done online and not just in the Promoter for all of us who don't recieve the newsletter. |
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Post by bauermann on Mar 20, 2005 10:00:28 GMT -5
The notebook says: "If Guilty of Treason is rolled, add 5 to opponent`s Pin Rating plus or minus the opponent`s better attribute." I think it would be +6 vs. Nemean.
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Post by Tom on Mar 20, 2005 10:09:27 GMT -5
Yes, that is correct, hence the "plus or minus" wording.
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Post by Mark 138 on Mar 20, 2005 20:33:16 GMT -5
Thank you for clearing that up, Mr. Filsinger. The card it's self reads "Opponent uses either their power or agility to escape the move. Subtract the better ability rating from +5." Thus the confusion, since the card doesn't have the + or - wording.
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Post by The Crow 68 on Mar 21, 2005 6:40:57 GMT -5
To make aCe a big fed I added Christian McLeods Sentinels along with some guys from Dennis and Atman and Painmaster, so now I have a huge fed, but adding Classic 3000 may be a good thing too or any DX guys.
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Post by Mark 138 on Mar 22, 2005 18:48:26 GMT -5
Nemean is meant to be a lower tier guy, right? His stats are not all that good. He has a level 1 move as his first move on level 2 offense, his power and agility are both +1, and his chart ratings are all B and C. His defense is nothing special either. So imagine how shocked I was to read someone else's results in the Fed Forum and see that Nemean advanced all the way to the final in his Essence title tournament. I didn't see it as being possible.
Well, I had Nemean challenge Godsend in a match I figures would put Godsend over as a huge heel for squashing Nemean and possible doing something nasty to him afterwards. Imagine my surprise when Nemean scored a clean and decisive win! Has anyone else with the set seen any examples of the tremendous upset ability of Nemean? Why does he win big matches when his stats seem just above someone like Noxious? Is it just a few fluke situations or is there something to this?
Nemean is bold and confident, not afraid to challenge anyone even though he is a rookie and his skills don't seem all that impressive. Then he gets in the ring and scores major upsets in matches there's no way he should win. This guy could grow to be one of my favorite characters to work with in the game.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 22, 2005 22:05:26 GMT -5
I agree...in three shows he's 2-1 for me, having taken Aegis to the limit in his one loss. Godsend is setting out to "crush" Nemean since Nemean interrupted Murdok's attempts at putting Nicodemus on the shelf. I'll be interested in seeing how he grows from here.
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Post by KevinW on Mar 24, 2005 3:38:15 GMT -5
Well,I'm halfway through with my Centra perennials and I woud like to ask this of my fellow promoters-First of all,I really would like to know who your champons are becasue from everythign I have seen-it has been eitehr Aegis or Murdok-but in My fed-believe it or not,I just crowned Godsend as the First Esssence Champion! My tag tournnament will be tomorrow.Second of all,are you just going to have 1 singles and one tag team belt or will you have a secondary sigles Centra title?
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 24, 2005 8:54:54 GMT -5
As much as I love multiple belts, I'm keeping it at two right now...just not enough guys for more than that.
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