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Post by vansabu on Sept 23, 2007 8:59:13 GMT -5
Lost it all in the Lidell Fight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by LWPD on Sept 23, 2007 9:36:35 GMT -5
Congratulation to LWPD who is now 43rd OVERALL! I'm 63rd out of 1112 UFC players! The guy who's in first place scored huge with the Sokoudjou upsets off Big Nog & Arona...then scored on QJ at +215. Those fights are out there. The tough part is picking your spots.
The night got deathly quiet
And his face lost all expression
Said, if you're gonna play the game, boy
Ya gotta learn to play it right
-Kenny Rogers 'The Gambler'
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Post by LWPD on Sept 23, 2007 9:40:47 GMT -5
A great night of fights with two huge huge upsets. I called Forrest Griffin but was shocked that Liddell dropped off. FG executed a great game plan and executed a pace that saw Shogun blown up by the middle of the second round. I was surprised Forrest could finish him by that point...but he did everything 'right' and won a decisive victory. That was no doubt the high point of his career. Diego was aggressive but seemed too small for Fitch. He has tremendous heart and a great ground game...but bigger guys with a good wrestling base are his weakness. I'd love to see him drop to 155 if possible as this would be less of a factor. If Jon Fitch was too big...imagine the problems he'd have with guys like Hughes & GSP. Definitely something for him to consider. I never liked Chuck Liddell's Sprawl N' Brawl/Counter Puncher style but grew to respect him as a fighter. Jardine forced him to initiate and it threw him off. The leg kicks made the difference and I wouldn't be surprised if Chuck suffered a broken rib. Losing to Jardine screws up the pay day with Vanderlai...who had to be suffering through a really tough night all things considered.
Forrest Griffin vs Mauricio Shogun Ruatinyurl.com/2zsfdz
Courtesy of Wrestling Observer
Michiko Omigawa vs. Matt Wiman opens the show.
Omigawa held a guillotine as the key move of the round. Both guys had some ground and pound. Competitive first round with Omigawa holding a slight edge.
Omigawa connected with lots of punches early and Wiman was trying for a takedown but not getting it. It slowed down near the cage. Trading again. Wiman looking tired. Wiman back with a big head kick and went for a takedown and got on top. Wiman came back with punches and a second takedown. Wiman mostly held him down. Another close round. Wiman maybe close. Omigawa didn't do much after an early flurry.
Trading and Wiman got the takedown. Wiman got his back and punched him on the ground. Then got on top and ground and pound. A few decent shots on the ground. One good shot on the ground by Wiman. Some elbows by Wiman. Elbows and punches by Wiman. Easily Wiman's round. He threw some hard body kicks just as time expired. Then he did some push-ups I guess to show he wasn't tired. I have it 29-28 for Wiman. Omigawa on on the ground with tons of people attending to him.
Omigawa is up and responding okay. He was pretty shaken up while leaving. Some swelling around Omigawa's eyes. He looks like a guy who has taken a beating. Wiman 29-28, 30-27, 29-28.
There are completely empty sections up top. Not an early arriving crowd as the place is pretty empty right now, but we're early. But by where people are sitting, it looks like it'll be farther from a full house than any UFC show since the boom started.
Scott Junk vs. Christian Wellisch is up next.
Bulling each other in the corner. Crowd starting to boo quickly. But boos didn't last long. Junk going for a home run haymaker. Junk with uppercuts to the body. Knnes to body by Junk. Wellisch back with two knees to the body. Mostly clinch fighting. Wellisch finally got a takedown and going for a heel hook. Junk tapped out.
Diego Saraiva vs. Jeremy Stephens is next.
Saraiva got him down right away. Throwing some short elbows from side position. Got full mount. Stephenhs turned his back after taking punches. Saraiva working for a choke. Stephens escaped and got top position. Hard elbow by Stephens. Saravia going for a triangle from the bottom. Stephens with the pop of the show with a big power bomb out of it and a second shorter power bomb. The second one broke the triangle. Throwing elbows. Crowd giving them a huge standing ovation. Close round. I guess Stephens for better punches from the top and the power bomb.
Saraiva tried a takedown but Stephens ended up on top. Elbows by Stephens. Not much to the round. John McCarthy ordered a stand-up. Saraiva tried to snatch a footlock but got nowhere with it. Stephans round for sure. I've got it 20-18 for Stephens.
Stephens opened with a hard slam for the takedown. Stephens hitting elbows from the top and some punches. Stephens connected with some solid punches. Stephehns stacked himn up against the fence and threw a flurry. Stephens connected with solid shots to the face. Crowd isn't booing at all but this isn't much of a fight. Stephens finished strong with wild punches from the top. Crowd loved him because of the power bomb as they cheered pretty loud for what wasn't that good of a fight. Stephens had to win rounds two and three for sure. I've got it 30-27 but 29-28 is plausible.
Scores were 30-27 across the board for Stephens.
Andy Johnson vs. Rich Clementi is the final prelim match.
Johnson dropped him with a punch. Clementi quickly tried a triangle and Johnson hit a sloppy power bomb. Hard knee by Johnson to the body. Clementi rocked him with a punch. Johnson missed on some big punches. Johnson went to touch gloves and Clementi gave him a low kick. Both these guys were called late so conditioning could be a big factor. Clementi took him down and got his back and is punching. Johnson trying for a Kimura. Johnson swung wildly to end the round. Johnson gets the round due to the knockdown but without it maybe Clementi.
Johnson got a takedown. Clemente escaped and got Johnson's back. Clementi got a choke and Johnson tapped out.
Clementi made the crowd laugh in his interview, dropping an f bomb and saying he hoped the big bastard was going to give up when he heard him gurgling.
In the intros, big reaction to Shogun. Crowd booed Jardine and Liddell got by far the biggest reaction of all.
Right now I'd say crowd looks 11,000. Some more may be coming late. There are scattered empties downstairs and maybe three sections upstairs that are only have a few fans.
The PPV is opening with Thiago Tavares vs. Tyson Griffin. They changed the program order as this mach was listed as airing before the main event.
Hard low kick by Griffin. Griffin shot in and is on top. Tavares went for legloock, Griffin spun away. Both up. Tavares tried a takedown . Great balance by Griffin. Tavares with a judo throw but Griffin is on top. Tavares throwing up kicks. Griffin connecting with ground and pound. Tavares used a leg to get Griffin's back and Griffin reversed on top throwing hard punches. Griffin with forearm across the throat. Griffin's round.
Tavares hit a punch and then got the takedown. Tavares is on Griffin's back while Griffin is standing working for a choke. Griffin moving his head to defend. Griffin grabbed the fence to avoid going down. Griffin reversed and pounding from the top. Tavares going for an armbar. Griffin escaped. Griffin connecting with more punches on top while Tavares threatening a submission. Griffin trying for a guillotine. Tavares on top and got his back. Tavares again working for a choke and Griffin again standing up. Griffin slammed him on his head and popped out. Griffin on top. Excellent round. Will be interesting how the judges rule. Griffin got more blows in but Tavares had two submission threats so I go with Tavares.
Griffin with takedown. Griffin with shoulder strikes standing. Tavares got a takedown. and working for an armbar. Griffin spun out and got his back. Almost all grappling and crowd loving it. Griffin blocked a hiptoss. Tavares took him down but Griffin back up. Tavares has a nasty bruise under left eye. Tavares quick shot for a double. He's working for back control but Griffin escaped and both are standing against the cage. Round slower than the first two. Tavares took Griffin down again. No matter what, I think people are going to be mad when judging comes out. Griffin reversed out of another armbar attempt. Tavares going for a leg. This is Tavares round, so I've got him 29-28. Not a complete standing ovation, but lots of fans standing.
29-28, 30-27, 29-28 for Griffin. Crowd is going crazy for Griffin winning. Not much booing. I don't know how you could vote 30-27 for Griffin.
Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Lyoto Machida is up next.
It's imperative for Machida to fight an entertaining fight here. Machida threw a nasty body kick. Another wicked body kick. Nakamura tried a judo throw but Machida landed on top. Crowd is dead. No booing. Nice trip by Machida. Some punches from the top by Machida. Round is easily Machida's.
They showed Forrest arriving and Rua arriving. Both got cheers and boos, but Griffin more boos. No sign of Rock.
Machida took Nakamura down and scored with good punches. Got a full mount. Nakamura tried to reverse but Machida got his back. He's got the choke in and Nakamura is in trouble but Nakamura escaped. Machida got the mount again. Good punches from the top but Nakamura escdaped and bacdk on his feet holding on. Nakamura tried a trip but could't get him. Machida rocked Nakamura with a punch. Nakamuira finally got a takedown with 30 seconds left. Another round for Machida.
Nakamura took him down again. Machida took him down. Machida got his back. Nakamura has a bloody nose. Machida trying to throw him but Nakamura stayed tough. Machida connecting with short blows to the bloody and a few to the head. Mostly dirty boxing and elbows from the clinch, most by Machida. Machida should win 30-27. Some boos and some polite claps at the finish.
30-27 across the board for Machida.
Diego Sanchez vs. Jon Fitch is up now.
Sanchez looks in tremendous shape, as does Fitch. Fitch pacing like a caged animal. Bad metaphor. Fans booed Fitch heavily. Sanchez got a huge reaction, lots of boos but loud cheers as well. People clearly psyched for the match.
Sanchez sprinted across the ring going for a takedown. Fitch blocking. Sanchez backed Fitch along the fence. Sancehz with a lead punch and got the takedown. Fitch drove from the ground and got a takedown. Fitch is in guard. Sanchez threatening an armbar. Fitch throwing knees and escaped. Sanchez again tried an armbar but didn't come close. Closed round. I'd go with Fitch.
Sanchez tried a takedown but Fitch on top. Sanchez hit a punch and got a takedown but Fitch reversed. Fitch has Sanchez's back but not doing anything. Sanchez reversed back. Fitch slammed Sanchez but Sanchez gave him a head scissors to reverse back. Fitch with a reverse. Sanchez tried a triangle. Fith had him stacked up. Crowd loved the round. Fitch won the wrestling, but as a fight the round is closer because of the damage and submission threats. I have Fitch up 20-18 but they could go either way and Sanchez is the bigger star and crowd influences.
Sanchez with a tight guillotine. Fitch broke free but that was the biggest threat of the match. Fitch on top the rest of the round. Sanchez with a triangle. Fitch spun out. Sanchez kept trying but Fitch escaped. Crowd giving this a standing ovation. I gave the round to Sanchez bedcause of the guillotine, but it'll be interesting to see if judges go against the guy who was on top most of the round. Still, I've got 29-28 Fitch.
30-27 Fitch by Peoples, Rosales 29-28 Sanchez, 29-28 for Fitch by split decision. Fans booed pretty heavily Rosales giving it to Sanchez and he was the favorite.
Now fans are heavily booing Fitch at first. A lot of people also booed Sanchez when he did his promo. Not sure why you'd boo either guy but fans were divided into those who love Sanchez and hate Sanchez as opposed to fnas of seeing a good fight like on the underecard.
Mauricio Shogun Rua vs. Forrest Griffin is next.
My sense is the live crowd sees this as the main event fight but sees Liddell as the main event fighter. Real credit go UFC for marketing Griffin because Jardine beat Griffin and they don't see Jardine as a headliner but so see Griffin as one.
Griffin is bigger and in better shape than I've ever seen. Rua is bigger, but also softer. Very big reaction to Rua. Wouldn't you know it, come fight time, Griffin definitely got more cheers. Totally electric atmosphere.
Rua tried a takedown, Griffin got his back. Rua spinning to stomach. Rua took him down. Griffin holding his own on the ground. Griffin up and punching. Rua caught him with a good punch. Trading knees. Griffin with takedown. Griffin scored with punches on the ground. Griffin let Rua up. Rua with a takedown. Griffin reversed and finished strong. Griffin won the round with the flurry at the end but it was close.
Rua took Griffin down to start round two. Griffin is all bloody but scrambled to his feet. Griffin took him down and throwing rocked Rua with a punch and another punch. Griffin got his back. Rua going for a takedown but Griffin sprawled. Both guys are tired now. It's all guts. Griffin stopped another takedown. Rua now connecting with hard punches. Rua went for a takedown. Griffin on top and went for a cdhoke. Griffin doing damage from the top. Griffin working ground and pound. Griffin won the round in the last minute. Place going nuts.
Rua took Griffin down but Griffin trying for subs from the bottom, and not coming close. Griffin escaped and got Rua's back and punching. Rua tried a takedown but Griffin on top. Griffin scoring with ground and pound. Griffin connecting with punches. Punches, elbows and forearms to the throat by Griffin. Griffin got a choke and won clean by submission. He was about to win 30-27. Amazing.
Chuck Liddell vs. Keith Jardine is next. No way they can top that last match.
They are stnading and trading. Jardine backing up a lot. Liddell staggered him already. Jardinde has started to conected. Liddell is looking for the big punch. Jardine countered. Jardine bleeding and a goose egg near the right eye. Jardine is connecting again. Liddell staggered Jardine late to clinch the round.
Nice low kick by Jardine. He put Liddell down with a punch that stunned the crwod. Jardine connecting agaihn. Jardine bleeding from the nose now. But he's picked up cohnfidence. A flurry ahnd Jardine doing better. Liddell tiring. Jardine now bleedding from the ear, eye and nose. Liddell stagged Jardine to one knee and a hard knee. Jardine back with a punch. Liddell scored with another big punch. Jardine with a good punch. Liddell went to the wrong corner when the round ended. I think Jardine won the round.
Jardine with a leg kick and a right cross did some damage. Another low kick by Jardine. Body kick by Jardine. Jardine rocked him with a punch. Liddell's ribs onthe left suide all all raspberried up. Another solid punch by Jardine. Jardine rodked him with a left on the chin. Liddell better lose if this goes to a decision. Liddell with a high kick. Tremendous fight. Liddelll raised his hands and peoiple booed. I've got it 30-27 Jardine.
Crowd thinks Jardine. 29-28 Jardine for Peoples, Rosales 29-28 Liddell crowd booed 29-28 Jardine by split decision. The right guy won. There are people booing the decision but most are cheering.
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Post by hofclemens on Sept 23, 2007 9:46:45 GMT -5
Scored on the Welsch fight but that was about it. came out in the green.
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Post by JamieOD on Sept 23, 2007 15:16:02 GMT -5
I did not expect LWPD to leap frog me like that. Damn it I'm now out of my comfort zone.
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Post by LWPD on Sept 23, 2007 17:55:06 GMT -5
Chuck Liddell vs Keith Jardinetinyurl.com/2jb4j7Here's a follow up article to last night's show by Dave Meltzer. Some good post fight thoughts and comments from those involved. Courtesy of foxsports.com
UFC upsets opened numerous possibilities
By Dave Meltzer
The UFC's year of the upset had a double dose on Saturday night at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif., when two of the sport's marquee light heavyweights went down to defeat in the company's hottest show of the year.
Forrest Griffin shocked most experts, who tabbed his opponent, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua of Japan as the top-ranked fighter in the division. Griffin, his face covered in blood from an elbow in the second round, and with cuts all over his face, was on the verge of winning three straight rounds when he caught Rua in a choke with 15 seconds left in the fight and Rua tapped out.
"It went as I expected it to be, but I didn't expect to make him submit," said Griffin after the biggest win of his career.
The two main matches resulted in eliminating several expected marquee matchups, and created a division where dozens of potential matches are possible where you'd be foolish to think a winner was guaranteed.
It appeared there was little that could be done to follow Griffin's crowd-pleasing performance, but fellow Ultimate Fighter reality show star, Keith "The Dean of Mean" Jardine, followed with a split-decision win over the man who just a few months ago was considered UFC's biggest star, Chuck Liddell.
Many UFC officials were disappointed Liddell lost, but on the other hand, they saw two of the top light heavyweight stars being beaten by fighters that came out of The Ultimate Fighter reality show as vindication that the show created popular stars that were only paper tigers.
Jardine, 13-4-1, was bleeding from the right eye, nose and left ear, but got stronger as the fight went on. He connected with solid punches and kicks in the third round to clinch the fight after stunning Liddell with a second-round knockdown. Jardine won straight 29-28 scores capturing the second and third rounds by connecting with more punches and — in particular — kicks to Liddell's legs and ribs. The left side of Liddell's body was welted up, although Liddell said the blows didn't take the wind out of him.
Liddell (20-5) said he saw openings during the fight but didn't take advantage of them.
"I left it too close to complain about it," Liddell said after the fight, adding that he'd have to evaluate what he would do next. When asked if this could have been his last fight, he said he would have to go home and evaluate that decision.
Keith Jardine dealt Chuck Lidell his second straight loss. (Branimir Kvartuc / Associated Press)
Jardine, whose face and bald head after the match were a mass of cuts going all the way to the back of his head, said his confidence grew after knocking down Liddell in the second round, and noted how the crowd — which hated him at the start of the fight — was cheering him wildly by the end.
UFC promoter Dana White lashed out in a tirade against all the various ratings, which he believed had been biased against his fighters and his organization as compared to Pride. Of course, he later joked that if he came up with ratings they'd probably be even worse.
Although two of UFC's champions — Anderson Silva and Quinton Jackson — were first stars in Pride, the UFC brass has been upset for years at the idea that Pride was the superior organization.
"The ratings drove me crazy," said White. "If you're from Japan (more from a promotion based in Japan than a Japanese fighter), you're No. 1, and you get more spots in the top 10."
"You can't say who is No. 1 until the top guys fight," he said. "Over the next two years, we'll really see who is No. 1."
Without question, in a sport where upsets occur so frequently, any attempt at ratings is going to constantly look foolish. But the nature of any fighting sport is going to lead to people attempting to make ratings. Rua was many people's choice as the top-ranked light heavyweight in the world, and he devastated UFC champion Quinton Jackson when they met in 2005. He hadn't lost a match in the weight division in years and had dominated against some of the biggest international stars when fighting in Japan.
In his UFC debut, he met Griffin, now 15-4, whose previous biggest career success was losing a close decision to Tito Ortiz last year. Griffin asked for the fight, saying he wanted to fight the best. After Mirko Cro Cop — who won Pride's Open Weight Grand Prix tournament — bombed out in UFC, this was considered a pivotal fight for people who had debated the merits of the top Pride fighter versus top UFC fighter.
What this showed isn't necessarily that UFC was always better than Pride, but it did show any myths that the fighters in Pride were at a significantly higher level doesn't hold up. Griffin had better conditioning and footwork, and more than held his own on the ground. He won the first two rounds on all the judges cards, and would have easily won the decision had not Rua (now 16-3) tapped out in the waning seconds from a sunk-in choke.
But there are also differences in straight-out comparisons because the rules of the two organizations were different. Many of Rua's biggest weapons like stomps and soccer kicks were eliminated in the American unified rules, and there is a difference between fighting in the ring and in an octagon cage.
Griffin, while having shown great boxing improvement over the past year, was knocked out by Jardine in December and probably wouldn't have been ranked in any top 10, yet he dominated the person many had at No. 1. Jardine, in return, was knocked out by Houston Alexander in May, and also not in any serious top-10 consideration, but he beat someone in everyone's top 10 — if not top five. UFC was heavily criticized before the show for putting Jardine against Liddell.
Based on reputation, it looked like a mismatch, even though it on paper looked like it would be a good stand-up battle with a probable knockout finish.
The wins throw all sorts of marquee matches out the window, but should lead to dozens of potential matchups with champion Jackson, Rua, Griffin, Jardine, Alexander, Liddell, Wanderlei Silva as well as Tito Ortiz and Rashad Evans. If anything, Saturday's show taught us that there is no such thing as a dominant No. 1, and it's simply that when you match up the top guys, anyone can win. It is both a blessing and a curse for promoters and fans.
For now, what appeared to be the three biggest money matches, Jackson against Rua, Jackson against Liddell, or Liddell against Silva, look to be out the window. White had been attempting to put together Silva vs. Liddell for five years, and having recently signed Silva, had it planned for Dec. 29 if all went well.
"It's just not meant to happen," said White, who talked about a conversation with Silva as the fight was going on, and telling Silva that he thought Jardine was going to win the fight. He noted Silva was in complete denial, seeing huge dollar signs fly out the window.
Jon Fitch, a former college wrestler, turned his fight with Diego Sanchez into a wrestling match and won a split decision by scores of 30-27, 28-29 and 29-28.
It's a match that really emphasizes the inconclusive method of scoring. Fitch won the wrestling match, as he controlled the position. However, Sanchez came closer to finishing, with both a tight guillotine and later a triangle in the third round. Fitch spent the match working for takedowns and position, while Sanchez kept working for submissions.
FoxSports.com had the fight 29-28 for Fitch, now 20-2 and a winner of 14 fights in a row. Sanchez, who had won his first 19 fights, now has lost two in a row.
Fitch noted that he had spent several weeks pretending to be Sanchez, mimicking his style, when teammate Josh Koscheck faced and beat Sanchez in their April fight.
"Once he got slippery, it made it easy to pull out of the submissions," said Sanchez, who accepted the decision and said because he was out-muscled, is considering moving down to 155 pounds.
Lyoto Machida remained unbeaten as a light heavyweight with an 11-0 record, clearly winning a three-round decision over former Japanese judo champion Kazuhiro Nakamura, 11-6. It was the only match on the PPV version of the show that wasn't exciting.
The PPV opener saw lightweight Tyson Griffin, 10-1 continue his streak of excellent matches, with a win over Brazilian Thiago Tavares, now 16-1. The match saw the advantage change countless times. Again it was judges rewarding scrambling and wrestling above attempts at submissions, with Griffin getting scores of 29-28, 30-27 and 29-28. Foxsports.com had Tavares winning both the second and third rounds based on constant submission attempts. However, Tavares' face was heavily bruised and took more damage.
In prelims, lightweight Matt Wiman won a unanimous decision of Michiko Omigawa; heavyweight Christian Wellisch made Scott Junk tap to a heel hook in 3:19; Jeremy Stephens beat Diego Saraiva via decision in a match the crowd loved, particularly when Stephens did two consecutive power bombs while caught in a triangle; and Rich Clementi upset Anthony Johnson with a choke in 3:05 of the second round.
In the post-fight press conference, White said the company is planning on running shows in January, within days of each other, in Montreal at the Bell Centre, for the company's Canadian debut, and in Newcastle, England. He noted that with Georges St. Pierre in line to face the Matt Hughes vs. Matt Serra winner that takes place on Dec. 29, St. Pierre would not fight on the show.
He also was very confident of signing Fedor Emelianenko, but felt it wouldn't happen until after Emelianenko competes in a Russian sambo tournament in the fall. White said it was incorrect the story, claimed by Kurt Angle, that Brock Lesnar had signed with UFC. But he did hope to make the deal.
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Post by LWPD on Sept 24, 2007 18:53:01 GMT -5
UFC 76 Post Fight Press Conferencetinyurl.com/2m9ucj
LWPD (up in three parts...runs just under 30 minutes in total)
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Post by hofclemens on Sept 24, 2007 21:15:30 GMT -5
will have to take a look at the strikforce show this saturday... anyone thinking of betting Kimbo vs. tank? Call me a mark for the freaks but I want to see that.
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Post by DUCE on Sept 25, 2007 8:22:20 GMT -5
Chuck Liddell vs Keith Jardinetinyurl.com/2jb4j7Here's a follow up article to last night's show by Dave Meltzer. Some good post fight thoughts and comments from those involved. Courtesy of foxsports.com
UFC upsets opened numerous possibilities
By Dave MeltzerUFC promoter Dana White lashed out in a tirade against all the various ratings, which he believed had been biased against his fighters and his organization as compared to Pride. Of course, he later joked that if he came up with ratings they'd probably be even worse. Although two of UFC's champions — Anderson Silva and Quinton Jackson — were first stars in Pride, the UFC brass has been upset for years at the idea that Pride was the superior organization. "The ratings drove me crazy," said White. "If you're from Japan (more from a promotion based in Japan than a Japanese fighter), you're No. 1, and you get more spots in the top 10." "You can't say who is No. 1 until the top guys fight," he said. "Over the next two years, we'll really see who is No. 1." Without question, in a sport where upsets occur so frequently, any attempt at ratings is going to constantly look foolish. But the nature of any fighting sport is going to lead to people attempting to make ratings. Rua was many people's choice as the top-ranked light heavyweight in the world, and he devastated UFC champion Quinton Jackson when they met in 2005. He hadn't lost a match in the weight division in years and had dominated against some of the biggest international stars when fighting in Japan. Dana White. LoL, why the hate for armchair promoter's/webmaster's opinions? Him going off like that just seems like a ploy to get everyone more involved (Eric Bischoff). Dana, I think, understands that most of Pride's following over the years were former UFC fans of the early to mid-late 90s. Before SEG lost Randy Couture, Enson, Mark Kerr, Frank Shamrock, Mark Coleman, Don Frye, Gary Goodridge, Oleg, Royce, and others. We wanted to see the fighters continue to fight. We wanted to see Enson fight Randy and the tap it was like an unoffical UFC Heavyweight title match. I understand he was probably refering to Sherdog's crawling chaos( interbutts and lulz) and in the MOST respect spitting at fightsport.com/fightsport/news/news.htm for all the hate they spewed that him. I guess its not Dana White's fault for trying to put the peices back together again(UFC after sale) in its heavyweight division. Nobody likes someone being touted as something they are not. He has got all the card needed now. Cue Vince's music. Stiring the pot is fine just don't alienate us. |
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Post by LWPD on Sept 25, 2007 19:02:55 GMT -5
will have to take a look at the strikforce show this saturday... anyone thinking of betting Kimbo vs. tank? Call me a mark for the freaks but I want to see that. While I'd like to see Tank/Kimbo for curiosity sake...I'm not going to win much going with the favorite. Tank's best days are well behind him and he's not worth taking a risk on. I do see some nice potential plays for UFC 77. I'm hoping Tim Sylvia's line drops a bit more (+200 or above would be 'too good to pass up'). It's amazing how quickly people forget that Big Tim is 23-3 & coming back well rested and hungry. A three round conservative (yet boring) Sprawl and Brawl decision victory is not out of the realm of possibility. |
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Post by hofclemens on Sept 25, 2007 19:53:05 GMT -5
yeah I think the line on Tim is already too good to pass up.
I was thinking of going Tank but after watching a few of tanks last fights I thought better of it. I still dont respect kimbo much but hes winning. I would say the next match for him would be vs. Butterbean.
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Post by dukedave on Sept 25, 2007 20:59:29 GMT -5
Man, I really don't want to root for Timmay but I can't stand either douchebag.
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Post by LWPD on Sept 28, 2007 19:34:56 GMT -5
Odds are now up for the Strikeforce @ Playboy Mansion Card.
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Post by dukedave on Sept 28, 2007 19:37:23 GMT -5
Odds are now up for the Strikeforce @ Playboy Mansion Card. Am I the only one passing because the card sucks. Plus the fact I don't want to sit upstairs on my computer watching MMA. |
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Post by LWPD on Sept 28, 2007 19:46:21 GMT -5
Odds are now up for the Strikeforce @ Playboy Mansion Card. Am I the only one passing because the card sucks. Plus the fact I don't want to sit upstairs on my computer watching MMA. I'm passing on this one as well...but I still thought everyone should at least know it's out there. I plan on checking out uploads of Melendez, Riggs/Jackson the next day. There's two +400 plays on the table for anyone gutsy enough to take the risk...and Josh Thompson is on the end of one & he's definitely not unbeatable. |
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Post by dukedave on Sept 28, 2007 19:52:18 GMT -5
Am I the only one passing because the card sucks. Plus the fact I don't want to sit upstairs on my computer watching MMA. I'm passing on this one as well...but I still thought everyone should at least know it's out there. I plan on checking out uploads of Melendez, Riggs/Jackson the next day. There's two +400 plays on the table for anyone gutsy enough to take the risk...and Josh Thompson is on the end of one & he's definitely not unbeatable. Actually, Thompson is the only favorite I'd bet for. The underdogs just don't appeal to me on this card. |
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Post by hofclemens on Sept 28, 2007 21:51:45 GMT -5
I put a small wager on Eugene jackson to pull an upset on a very beatable Joe Riggs
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Post by hofclemens on Sept 30, 2007 9:16:34 GMT -5
oh well..worth a shot..didnt watch Strikeforce. watched Taylor vs. Pavlick which was a great fight
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Post by LWPD on Oct 1, 2007 18:58:30 GMT -5
We're less than 3 weeks out now and the Sylvia line is moving the opposite way of what I wanted...Big Tim's now at a much less attractive +145. People may want to consider locking Franklin in at +160...I have a feeling money will be moving toward 'an upset' after Dana runs the next Unleashed.
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Post by Knapik on Oct 3, 2007 0:10:28 GMT -5
I put down 4 bets on the upcoming UFC. I put a little bit on Tank in CFFC for kicks too
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