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Post by GOODZILLA on Jan 20, 2007 15:32:13 GMT -5
Man, have their been some strong posts in this thread. If anyone thinks that "the state of Filsinger Games has already been decided" need only look at this thread to see how things really stand.
You have viewpoints from older games and newbies, and in all cases, the love for the game is very evident. Tom has created something that will never die, and the loyalty of the majority of game fans will outlast those that come and go.
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Post by bmurderh8s on Jan 20, 2007 16:37:18 GMT -5
A few months back I started a thread about the uselessness of starting a new board and it gained me quite a bit of heat between a few people. Because of it I made a few enemies and that was never my intention.
Thats is all. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Post by dukedave on Jan 20, 2007 17:02:45 GMT -5
The whole idea that a second board needed to be created because a few people, one of whom can be seen as a sad person desperately in search of attention and/ or sympathy (Tafkaga) and another who is as hotheaded as the person he despises(Canadian Pittbull), could no longer tolerate the thoughts of a member here (Swarm) is beyond ridiculous. It has to be one of the moronic things I have ever heard of, bar none. The fact that a member of this board would leave this board and join the Deuce simply so he has a place to start thread after thread advertising a wrestling show, heap insane amounts of praise on said program, and have no one question his opinion is crazy. Seriously, I would like everyone to go to the Deuce when you are through reading this post and look at Crimson Cross' threads in the TNA section. He pushes the product as if he had stock in it. Most of the threads are lifted directly from TNA's website and offer nothing more than hype from the company followed by his verbal masturbation of the writers, wrestlers and bookers of TNA. And they get little response. Hopefully someone can explain to me what is good about a discussion community in which there is very little actual discussion. Next, I would like to briefly address Holland's frustration with the fact that Neil did not put his two lips together and kiss his butt following his "defense" of Neil in a thread a few days ago. The post in which Holland "sticks his neck out for Neil" contains points in which Holland compares Neil's penchant for writing short sentences with no capital letters to the problems of an alcoholic or a person with a speech impediment. He followed these thoughts up by making several homophobic remarks about various members of this community. Let me get this straight: You compared Neily to a fall-down lush and you don't get why he was ticked at you. Then you slur people he's cool with by talking about them picking up male prostitutes on street corners and you don't understand why he might not appreciate the comments. Come on, Holland, surely you are not seeing things from that one-sided of a perspective are you? Finally, the suggestion that Tom step in and halt all the bickering is silly. Since we are making suggestions for people, I have one for Holland. As has already been said, you fractured the community, you fix it. You could probably bring a little unity to this community. I don't have a personal problem with anyone on either board, but I disagree with them about some things. If people here cannot coexist with others that have different opinions, they need to be spending more time in counseling and less time on the Internet. The second half of my suggestion for Holland is if he has no interest in helping mend the community, why not just leave this board entirely. He created his own board, and has shown in recent posts he has no use for the moderators or the members who are exclusive to this board, so why keep coming around? The ball is in your court, Holland. Do with it what you will. Since it appears Swarm is either out of town or taking the high road I say this Joe.. STRONG! (This is not in any way meant as a Swarm endorsement of Joe's thoughts) |
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Post by gatekeeper on Jan 20, 2007 17:02:51 GMT -5
What a deep thread. Upon further review, I don't think Holland fractured the community. When you have as many people on a message board as this one does (300 + people) not all of us are gonna get along.
I feel the Deuce is a little silly for the same reasons that Eliath expressed but I think the community was already fractured.
Actually fractured isn't the right word. I'm not sure there's a good word for it. People just didn't see eye to eye, that's all really.
There's no way to "mend the fracture." Certain people don't like other certain people and that will probably never change.
I still don't think Kris, Tom, and Mark should have to post on 2 boards. This is the original and if you want to know what's going on, it should be done here. If you still wanna have your own board for other things, fine. But we shouldn't be making the writers of the game editions cater to that small minority of people who are exclusive to the Deuce.
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Post by bmurderh8s on Jan 20, 2007 17:07:59 GMT -5
What a deep thread. Upon further review, I don't think Holland fractured the community. When you have as many people on a message board as this one does (300 + people) not all of us are gonna get along. I feel the Deuce is a little silly for the same reasons that Eliath expressed but I think the community was already fractured. Actually fractured isn't the right word. I'm not sure there's a good word for it. People just didn't see eye to eye, that's all really. There's no way to "mend the fracture." Certain people don't like other certain people and that will probably never change. I still don't think Kris, Tom, and Mark should have to post on 2 boards. This is the original and if you want to know what's going on, it should be done here. If you still wanna have your own board for other things, fine. But we shouldn't be making the writers of the game editions cater to that small minority of people who are exclusive to the Deuce. I've always looked at this board as the official one. I agree with Payback. |
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Post by dukedave on Jan 20, 2007 17:16:47 GMT -5
Not to sound like a wannabe member of the Detroit posse but I beleive that some of the people who left did so because they wanted to flame away on Swarm and because they were so great they didn't think Swarm should have been allowed to flame back. Swarm could've taken the high road and didn't but so could've CPB and those who followed him.
I've been a member for only a short time but early on had a conflict with Offspring over my thoughts on the Mark Henry injury. Things got a little hot but we both eventually moved on and still post on these boards without any (apparent) problems. Come on, people, it's just professional wrestling.
Since I'm a relatively new person to the boards did Holland have a different screen name here before the Deuce because I don't rememder the name from back then. Only neilybob/neilybizob/darkrider can change their name and everyone still remeber who they are.
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Post by LWPD on Jan 20, 2007 17:26:30 GMT -5
First I'll say I honestly believe Holland had benign intentions when he started the junior board...just as I'm sure he sincerely had the best of intentions when he started and posted this thread. There's no need to kick him while he's down and his board is imploding. With that said I'll offer my perspective on 'The State of 'This' COTG Message Board'.
The reality is...whether it was purposely intended or not...the board split has greatly _BENEFITED_ the quality of output on _THIS_ board. Unlike in time's past...I seldom see 'meta-issue' threads creeping onto the forums. The people who post here do so because they 'want' to be here, they want to discuss COTG and related topics (as opposed to discussing other posters and 'board issues') and they generally understand and enjoy the environment for what it is.
I no longer see 'moderators' abusing their authority with blatant trolling, selective editing of posts and/or the making of public threats to 'suspend/ban' people they don't like/agree with. This is largely because those who were guilty of doing so in the past are 'no longer here'. The moderator position of GWFFanTrav (who was a very productive contributor to this board and whom I would personally welcome back as a poster...but never in the position of being a Mod) hasn't been filled and 'there's no need' to fill it...the board is more self sufficient and self-policing than ever before.
I also no longer see posters chronically whining about abstractions such as 'The COTG Community' or making public efforts to control 'how people behave' according to their own ideals. The creation of a separate board and provision of an outlet such as a 'chat room' for those who want to invest portions of their lives dialoguing on such issues...was a TREMENDOUS benefit for _THIS_ board as it removed a great deal of this type of wasteful negative energy and placed it 'somewhere else'.
What DO I see on this board? I see many people contributing and enjoying themselves in line with what this is...a fun hobby and a nice short term distraction to our higher priority 'real lives'. I see Promoter Madness (thanks largely to Swarm) amping up players old and new through an exciting new set concept. I see COTG Online (largely thanks to BDS) creating new game play opportunities that were unthinkable when I first brought this game in '87. I see a vast history of House Rules for all players to learn from and gain inspiration, I see a vast and active archive of promoter run Fed results, I see a streaming archive of literally hundreds of hours of some of the greatest pro wres matches of all time, I see a growing MMA Resource archive...which will probably be the genre of interest most 'future' players will be coming from, I see a place where newer players who ask questions readily find helpful answers from other more experienced players.
In short I see a happy, healthy and productive environment toward Filsinger Games and the common interest topics surrounding and influenced by it. This board has never been better. For your part in helping to make that happen...I thank you Holland!
LWPD (it's important to respect the choices of those who...for whatever reason...chose to 'cyber-suicide' their accounts and move on from here...should any of them chose to re-register and contribute productively in the future _WITHOUT_ introducing 'meta-issues' I'm sure they'd be afforded a clean slate by most everyone and a fresh chance to prove themselves and start over)
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Post by Holland227 on Jan 20, 2007 17:26:35 GMT -5
I for one am glad for all the love this board has for the community now I would like to respond
-Payback, good points you made in your post. Fractured may not be the word but maybe bruised.
-Eliath, Good points from you as well. I never said that we were not one at large community because I whole heartedly feel we are. The Deuce was just made to get players not to leave the game altogether over things. It is a place that people who feel better off not here because of their inability to get along with others can go and this isnt directed at Swarm in particular. I feel that its a lot of people who dont get along with some other people. I don't mean that in a whole posse of people but in that Person A hates B and B hates C but C likes A therefore they must stick together. Meanwhile Person D who is friends with B and C don't want any confrontation with A so must side with the majority to offend the fewest people. Also the post was about the community state not the state of Filsinger Games the company. I feel the company is doing great things taking online and what not. Although I prefer pen and paper and dice, the online caters to many a new customers and that is always a plus. And you are right people have differences and sometimes they just cant get along. Ignoring them seems to be the right thing to do but how many times have you heard someone tell you or someone you know that ignoring the problem won't cause it to go away but rather make it more intense when it comes to a head.
I do post on both boards so I hope people who jump into this trhread realize I still post here.
The Ball is NOT in my court as it may seem but the ball is in OUR court. We all need to help mend the boards as much as we can. We have to help keep the members we have and not lose anymore to this tragedy
If you still feel the ball is in MY court, then traveling is the call and that is my turnover. And for a blatant turnover on purpose... That my friends results in riding the pine. BENCHED
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Post by Eliath on Jan 20, 2007 17:50:04 GMT -5
Also the post was about the community state not the state of Filsinger Games the company. In my mind they are one in the same. We are the ones that make Filsinger Games the company flourish or flounder. Further, I believe that as this community goes, so too goes the company. By that I mean, if interest in beginning to wane in the Filsinger Games product, these boards are where you will see it first. As I said in my first response, I am really not entitled to speak about the issues that brought about the current state of affairs on the boards, but I am qualified to speak my opinion about things and that is what I did. I have no hard feelings towards you Holland for what you did or who you are. You play CotG just like I do and that is more than enough for me. It doesn't matter to me who likes who or who is friends with who when I am here. None of that affects what I share or say on these boards and it shouldn't affect anyone who is here. I guess that is what I really don't understand about this whole thing. Why would anyone allow this board or people's opinions on it affect them in such a way that they would want to stop playing a game that brought them here in the first place? I am sure that what LWPD says is true, that this place is better off with two boards. He has his pulse on the heart of this community. I guess the moral of my postings today was simply "Grow up" You seem to think that the current state of affairs between the two boards will "slowly kill the Filsinger Games Community" but how will riding the pine help solve the issues that you wanted to adress in your post Holland? What do you feel needs to happen for your eutopian vision to come to life? |
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Post by GOODZILLA on Jan 20, 2007 18:09:02 GMT -5
Damn, just when I think I know who my favorite poster is, along comes Eliath. It didn't take you long to earn your keep around here bro.  |
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Post by GOODZILLA on Jan 20, 2007 18:15:26 GMT -5
Also, if I can interject for a second ....
Before the board split, there were a few posters whose posts were almost always negative or full of insults and attacks. It got to the point that nearly 1 out of 3 posts (at least!) were a waste of time. That is no longer a problem.
I have been posting on the other board, and have had NO problems with CPB. I think he gets a bad rap because of his disagreements on here, just like Swarm does. I think the majority of us have had no problems with either of these guys and I consider them both valuable and important members of the COTG community. They just can't stand each other. It happens.
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Post by Pride on Jan 20, 2007 19:57:53 GMT -5
my 2 cents .....i like everyone i just dont like the screwing around with my Jesus and God.and i dont make fun of anyone else.its all about respect for each other.when i left the Duce it was on my personal belief. i even said dont lock the board. CANT WE ALL GET ALONG AND STOP THIS CATFIGHTING WE ARE WORST THEN A BOUNCH OF 5TH GRADE GIRLS!!!!!
now thats strong babe
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Post by dukedave on Jan 20, 2007 20:15:31 GMT -5
but how will riding the pine help solve the issues that you wanted to adress in your post Holland? What do you feel needs to happen for your eutopian vision to come to life? He wants to have no actual plan other than to tell others to "do as I say not as I do" |
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Post by Eliath on Jan 20, 2007 20:16:51 GMT -5
but how will riding the pine help solve the issues that you wanted to adress in your post Holland? What do you feel needs to happen for your eutopian vision to come to life? He wants to have no actual plan other than to tell others to "do as I say not as I do" Exactly which is my main problem with his initial posting in the first place. IMO it was just stirring the pot and then standing back to see who bit...today he got the unexpected reply from me. |
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Post by dukedave on Jan 20, 2007 20:20:56 GMT -5
He wants to have no actual plan other than to tell others to "do as I say not as I do" Exactly which is my main problem with his initial posting in the first place. IMO it was just stirring the pot and then standing back to see who bit...today he got the unexpected reply from me. Nobody's perfect, (Well, maybe Neilybob) but some of us expect everybody else to be. |
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Post by Eliath on Jan 20, 2007 20:28:30 GMT -5
Exactly which is my main problem with his initial posting in the first place. IMO it was just stirring the pot and then standing back to see who bit...today he got the unexpected reply from me. Nobody's perfect, (Well, maybe Neilybob) but some of us expect everybody else to be. So do you think I should have kept my mouth shut and stayed out of this? |
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Post by dukedave on Jan 20, 2007 20:30:45 GMT -5
Nobody's perfect, (Well, maybe Neilybob) but some of us expect everybody else to be. So do you think I should have kept my mouth shut and stayed out of this? No, the nobody's perfect was regarding the thread originator plus a way to give a cheap pop for neilybob |
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Post by Pride on Jan 20, 2007 20:47:09 GMT -5
oh,well life goes on.and so will COTG and not to change the subject how about some COTG mini bust? i'll buy an Starwarrior for 60 bucks!
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Post by Pride on Jan 20, 2007 20:53:12 GMT -5
or an rare Zombie Dreadnought,Sweet Thang would make an killing!!!!or Endgame.ooh ooh how about one with two 5th grade girls fighting one wearing an Duce t-shirt and the otherwearing this boards t-shirt!and like their arms would be swinging all about with the base of the bust with the names of EVERY PROMOTER on both boards.because thats what we are acting like.
its the GWF/CPC all over again.
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Post by Pride on Jan 20, 2007 20:54:24 GMT -5
my pot my spot dont want to lose my spot!!!! HOGANSLITES!!!!
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