2119 - If it's gonna be 24...

[Knapik]

If 2119 is going to be 24 wrestlers again, here is how I think it will look:

HEROS

Encubus (new card)

FIGHTING TITANS
Scion Nexus (new card)
Eclipse (new card)
Payback

GENESIS (?)
Nefarus (new card)
Swarm
Tauran
Anivar

GLADIATORS
Disaster
New Gladiator
New Gladiator

Kill Prey

VILLAINS:

Bloodline

TGSITG
Thunder (new card)
The Amazing Mann
Steele Freak

COLONIZERS
Epoch
Slave Beast
Antak
Minotaur

SOCIETY OF DEATH
Tanck (new card)
PainMaster
New character, some acquaintance of Krakan?

New character


This is a mix of my own theories and some ideas that have been thrown out there by others. I stick by my theory that Bloodline will be the villain and Encubus's update will make him a good competitor as a hero. Surely Tanck is going to start a new stable, but I have a hard time thinking of who could be there... PainMaster was just a thought.

Anyone else think Max Shield is done with competing in 2119? I think Epoch sticks around and, as someone suggested, possibly has some power over the AniMen that Swarm sees and avoids.

I think Thunder moving to Strutter's team is right, don't remember who said it first. BUT he's getting old, and needs a downgrade. Won't Disaster crush him? I think the two new Glads should be a tag team and possibly feud with The Amazing Mann and Steele Freak (name... how about Lockdown?).

Who would be the 12th villain? Let me know what you think!

[Thunder Fire Driver]

I'd like to see a Gladiator house cleaning. Malice & Thunder both gone, with a void left to be filled in the future. Let Disaster carry the load for now.

Good call on Max, time for him to hit the bricks. Also let Mandrill & Nefarus leave with some pride as well. No need to keep former main players around as jobbers.

Both Scion & Eclipse should have reached their peaks by now. Eclipse is approaching almost 20 years in the business. I can see them both go off into the sunset.

Updates: Swarm, Kill Prey (killer), Encubus (killer) & Tanck (strong)

New Characters: If this is a tribute to the original set, I'd love to see some surprise second generation stars debut. Blow us away. Let's clean house on the older mid carders & the top guys who've already done it all and start a real youth movement.

I'd also love to see new characters binded to GWF history. Not just home-planets, but students from the wrestling schools of the past legends. Guys like Matador, Chaos, Janus, Star Warrior, etc. should have their names and legacies connected to the new young guns who take their place. To many character just seem to pop out of nowhere, as if the GWF exists independent from those who initially built it. It's time to start establishing a more of an emphasis on tradition, and less on dimensional realms and other far out there stuff.

[Knapik]

Totally agree on the fed needing to get away from the inter-dimensional stuff. I'd also like to see A Gladiator housecleaning, but the 2118 booklet makes me think Thunder will jump to Strutter's team.

After reading what you said about Nefarus, I'd have to agree too. I think maybe switch Nefarus with PainMaster, who could easily feud with Epoch. Two new characters join Tanck in a new Society of Death, perhaps one of them being related to Krakan?

The new Eclipse and Scion Nexus cards would certainly need to be downgrades, but does anyone really want to see another Nexus card? If they bolt, what do you think about the Titans? Maybe Payback is on his own with a former Titan as his guide? He could be the loner feuding with Kill Prey as a villain loner.?

[WTIC]

Mandrill should still have some life left in him though. And if I am not mistaken, Mr. Filsinger said he had an interesting back-story between Mandrill & Epoch that hasn't been revealed yet.

I do agree Thunder needs a downgrade. Interesting how he has improved greatly over the years...

Tanck needs a MAJOR upgrade.

Perhaps one of the new Gladiators is related to Massacre? Wouldn't THAT be nice to carry on his legacy?

Just one other thing: Isn't Endgame getting a new card for 2119?

[Knapik]

Massacre's kid? That would be amazing. Who wouldn't mark out over that? I didn't hear Endgame was getting a new card. Not knowing who he is, it'd be hard to place him in the fed in a specific spot.

I also forgot Euirtar, would could replace Thunder if he's not going to be around. 24 people seems more unlikely as I think about it. Still, fun to try and piece together.

All agreed Tanck needs a big upgrade.

[Darth Turkish]

WTIC said:

Just one other thing: Isn't Endgame getting a new card for 2119?

Yes , I believe that he is. That is one more thing that leads me to conclude that although the portals may be closing, some chracters will not go. I would sure hate to lose Valour, Anarchy, Murdok and Godsend. Plus, look at Tom's avatar. I do not think he would have had someone color a character for that card to only be used for a year. Plus it is a good card!
I really think it will be a convenient way to get rid of a bunch of wrestlers, but not as many as some think.

[Knapik]

So what do you think will happen? How would some wrestlers leave and some not? Perhaps the Dimensions would be closed, but the Realms could freely merge?

I say good riddance to Valour haha

I love me some Anarchy, though.

[Darth Turkish]

I do not know. Perhaps Murdok or Godsend will hide. Vallah, while seeming to be powerful is not the Beyonder- level, or this wrestling stuff would not be taking place. plus, he did not know Godsend was hiding Maramus.

I think a returning Atman will somehow have a part in the decision.

i really do not see soem of those characters leaving. They have not played out their welcome.

But if I survived Thantos' 2096 downgrade, I am sure I will survive losing a few characters.

[kaz]

Here's my pick for the 24..

Heros:

Champions of the Galaxy:
Bloodline
Endgame

Fighting Titans
Payback
Scion Nexus
Tristan

Federation Defense Fighters:
Tauran
Anivar
American Guy
US Male

Gladiators:
Disaster
New Gladiator
New Gladiator


HEELS:

Encubus
New Character w/ Thantos, possible Cygnuian? someone like Dreadnaught?

TGSITG
Thunder
Amazing Mann
Steele Freak

Colonizers:
Epoch
Antak
Slave Beast
Minotaur

Society of Death:
Tanck
The Bomb
Muss (they'd be the muscle..Picture them in black suits and dark sunglasses, awesome...)


kaz

[Bill]

I hate seeing my old favorites get downgraded. I mean what's the point in doing ANOTHER Scion card just to keep him around as a downgrade?

Same thing with Thunder. He's been around since 2095. Thats' over TWENTY FREAKIN' YEARS. Why turn a legend like this into just another downgrade. I mean it's like with Pegasus. When there's nothing left to prove and the guys career has run it's course, just let him leave without tarnishing the character.

[WTIC]

For those who haven't seen it yet, here is where you can find the card front for Endgame's 2119 card:

www.filsingergames.com/gc2000.htm

Just scroll down a little. It's the first card front on the left.

[Chris Ingersoll]

Of course, the problem with this "24" speculation is that managers and women are nowhere to be found on these lists... I don't see them just disappearing.

[GalactiKing]

I think we're more looking at 40(though I still believe that will include women and managers)

Now I think we'll have more like 30 male wrestlers, 4-6 women and the managers(of course some of the women can count as both) I also don't think this will count Massif or Spike.

Tristan will join the titans and form TitanRevenge with Payback

Switchblade will go without Blazing Skull to feud with.

Endgame and Godsend will stay in the GWF.

Avalanche might go singles or join with Tanck in a new Society of Death.

Johnny Rocket will retire(unfortunate but I can understand why)

We'll see the next dominant Gladiator tag team.

Just my thoughts for now.

[incognito]

Nefarus a hero member? I like the line up; but there will probaly be more than 24 wrestlers in the GWF after 2119; however, it's doubtful that any card will be left that does't have the wrestlers pic. and bio on the back.

[pravusdeus]

You know I got to thinking of interesting twists Tom could do with this ... and here is what I just thunk'd up ...

Mesmer and Phantast and Godsend are in co-hoots. Though at the very last second, Godsend defeats Vallah but has Mesmer close the portals and make it able for Godsend to be in our dimension. That was the plan all along, because think about this, your a bad ass demon from an evil realm. Who are you going to think about most? Yourself. So the plan was to get him and his buddies free so they can close the portals and make it so Godsend and his buddies could have free run of our realm.

They see the potential and fun they could have in the GWF. I still like the idea of Tom paying homage to the original booklet by pretty much duplicating it and having it reflect closely to the original booklet. I do like Bloodline and Encubus taking the roles of Star Warrior and Thantos in the original booklet. I could see Thunder taking Wolf's role as the independent out to fight anyone.

[wildman]

Imagine Thunder going through the Transevolver

[Darth Turkish]

wildman said:

Imagine Thunder going through the Transevolver

Him or Malice!

I do think the roster willbe about 40. As I said before, I will be sad if a few guys go, especially the villians. A story is only as good as it's villians.

[Joe]

I like a lot of scenarios people are tossing around, however, I am not quite sure that 2119 is just going to be an updated version of 2087. As much as I love the original set(s) and the characters that were porduced, I don't see Tom sitting down and saying, "Here is the guy to be Commander Sam, and here is the guy to be Comrade Terror". It just seems like times have changed too much for that.

I do agree that Encubus will part ways with his father, but once again, I don't exactly see him as the second coming of Star Warrior. At the same time, Bloodline isn't exactly Thantos. Thantos was a true villain in every sense of the word. Bloodline, especially if it is learned that Star Warrior is really his father and the whole incident was some sort of cover up, is far more sympathetic than Thantos was.

Also, I tend to agree with the people who think 2119's roster will be larger than 24. I would say 30-40 will probably be closer to the actual number of competitors. After all, there are four officially sanctioned singles titles, a tag team title, and a Women's championship. Four singles titles in a federation of 24 of wrestlers? Everybody's walking around with a belt, then.

[drewmichael]

Tom said in the other New Beginnings 2119 post that there will be between 38-42 characters in 2119, not 24

[abe froman]

Joe said:

I like a lot of scenarios people are tossing around, however, I am not quite sure that 2119 is just going to be an updated version of 2087. As much as I love the original set(s) and the characters that were porduced, I don't see Tom sitting down and saying, "Here is the guy to be Commander Sam, and here is the guy to be Comrade Terror". It just seems like times have changed too much for that.

I do agree that Encubus will part ways with his father, but once again, I don't exactly see him as the second coming of Star Warrior. At the same time, Bloodline isn't exactly Thantos. Thantos was a true villain in every sense of the word. Bloodline, especially if it is learned that Star Warrior is really his father and the whole incident was some sort of cover up, is far more sympathetic than Thantos was.

Also, I tend to agree with the people who think 2119's roster will be larger than 24. I would say 30-40 will probably be closer to the actual number of competitors. After all, there are four officially sanctioned singles titles, a tag team title, and a Women's championship. Four singles titles in a federation of 24 of wrestlers? Everybody's walking around with a belt, then.

Great points, Joe!