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Post by Pete on Nov 15, 2006 19:39:26 GMT -5
That's exactly what my friend was being -- I was never under physical assault. I'm just going by what you said... "He'd walk by and slap me in the back of the head -- he'd try to trip me."Under the letter of the law, that most certainly qualifies as assault. Reasonable physical self-defense would be expected and justified. Did it say anywhere in the article that Cohen laid a hand on this guy, or threatened to? |
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 15, 2006 21:02:27 GMT -5
OK..first off..."Borat" is going to end up as the top grossing comedy in theatre history. Since Cohen also served as executive producer of the film, he'll be looking at an estimated $40 million payday from all this.
So I'm not sure if calling him "an idiot" is entirely appropriate.
That being said, Borat's entire schtick is that he acts clueless and says highly inflammatory things to elicit an honest and most time embarassing response. Now while I dont necessarily advocate a violent responce, if someone gets accosted on the street, its not totally surprising that they try to defend themselves.
I mean, if somebody ran up to me on the streets and tried to do some of the things Borat does, I'd probably take a swipe at them too. Or at least give them a "GET THE F AWAY FROM ME!"
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Post by BDS on Nov 15, 2006 22:12:55 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but I'm slightly with the "punch Borat in the face" crowd, largely for the reasons PH mentioned. If someone ran up to me, got in my face, and wanted to buy my clothes to make sexy time with them, I'd be concerned for my personal well-being. I just don't think you punch him in the face because he's annoying - I think you punch him in the face because you're afraid he's nuts and he has a homemade shiv somewhere on him.
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 15, 2006 22:56:23 GMT -5
If someone ran up to me, got in my face, and wanted to buy my clothes to make sexy time with them, I'd be concerned for my personal well-being. Really? This happens so often I think youd be used to it by now.  |
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Post by pikemojo on Nov 15, 2006 23:23:11 GMT -5
So, Borat says anti-semetic and other offensive things to get different reactions out of people. The reason that it is funny is to see people's honest reactions to what he is saying. The really funny thing is that Sacha Baren Cohen (Borat) IS JEWISH. For instance he is at a ranch where some rich guy brings in animals to hunt on his ranch. Borat says to the guy that it is too bad you can't hunt Jews on this ranch and the guy agrees. Just watch...
Punching someone in the face is not the answer to all of life's problems but some people do deserve it. Just because someone deserves it doesn't mean that you should actually do it.
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Post by Splattercat on Nov 15, 2006 23:32:54 GMT -5
The thing I think a lot of you are missing with your examples is that all these happened during school...Neither of these men go to high school and they are both old enough to have been disciplined as children...As nice as it would be to punch someone every time you thought they were being an a****le, if you suggest that to any kid, he's going to have some troubles down the line...Similarly, if you suggest it to an adult, he's going to find himself facing assault charges awfully quick...
Name this quote:
"Do you have any idea what we are gonna do to you?"
"Lemme guess. Your gonna pound my face."
"What are you nuts? This is the '90s. We're gonna sue you."
I myself haven't been in a fight since the high school...At work, especially on weekends, I have had to deal with a lot of seriously drunk a****les...They've done FAR worse than what Cohen pulled (being extremely loud and offensive, knocking shelves over, starting fights with other customers etc.), but, if I hit even one of them, I'm beyond fired...I'm charged with assault and I'l never work in this town again...
My point: If Cohen had actually grabbed the guy, fine...But he didn't...As fun as it is to say "All a****les should have their a***s kicked, our society currently favours "the victim"...The victim is not the person who punched someone in the face...Regardless of the provocation involved...
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Post by tenzan on Nov 16, 2006 0:42:26 GMT -5
That's exactly what my friend was being -- I was never under physical assault. I'm just going by what you said... "He'd walk by and slap me in the back of the head -- he'd try to trip me."Under the letter of the law, that most certainly qualifies as assault. Reasonable physical self-defense would be expected and justified. Did it say anywhere in the article that Cohen laid a hand on this guy, or threatened to? Regardless of the law I did not see that as assault -- I never felt as if I were in any danger physically. He was slapping me in the back of the head with his hand -- not a brick. The issue was not that he was assaulting me -- it was that he was trying to humiliate me and taking advantage of my tolerance for it. I see the point about how these examples are different because they took place in high school -- that doesn't change my view. His $40 million paycheck doesn't mean he's not an idiot -- just means he's a rich idiot. |
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Post by gwffantrav on Nov 16, 2006 1:04:23 GMT -5
I think he knows what he's getting into, that getting hit could be part of it. He's laughing all the way to the bank
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Post by swarm on Nov 16, 2006 1:08:57 GMT -5
not true. you can beat the hell out of someone and not get sued. I ripped my sisters boyfriends ear off and didn't get sued. being sued is way overrated.
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Post by Vidtek on Nov 16, 2006 1:44:46 GMT -5
AH, so some comic got punched in the face by some guy who didn't think he was funny. So what? I'm more worried about someone coming up, liking my clothes and then shooting me for them. Not that it's going to happen any time soon... OH and BTW Name this quote: "Do you have any idea what we are gonna do to you?"
"Lemme guess. Your gonna pound my face."
"What are you nuts? This is the '90s. We're gonna sue you."It's Suburban Commando staring Hulk "My Daughter's Record Sucks" Hogan! Big Time |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Nov 16, 2006 6:24:25 GMT -5
As a parent, I'm of a split opinion on the whole use of force thing. Personally (and what other people do is their own business), I'm not a parent who will physically discipline my kids. It's not a fair fight. Now, if my kid's getting picked on at school or somewhere else (and he's only 4 so that hasn't happened yet), I'm not against his showing the other kid a little bit of muscle. I'm kind of expecting some harassment in my older one's life because he's one of the smallest kids in his age group and probably is never going to be one of the bigger ones. So if he shows he's not afraid to defend himself, maybe he'll face somewhat less of that. I'll trade a few trips to the principal's office in his school career for better self-esteem about his abilities. As for adults, I agree that the whole suing people thing gets blown out of proportion, although the risk is there that it could happen, especially if you're the first one to throw a punch. I don't know all the specifics of the Borat situation, but if it happened to me, I'd like to think I'd just tell him to go do to himself what he wanted to do to those clothes and then get away from him. And don't forget, if you must, strike with an open hand. No sense breaking your fingers.  |
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Post by behindthebook on Nov 16, 2006 10:01:52 GMT -5
Okay, there's a question I haven't seen anyone bring up, so here goes:
What cave was the puncher living in?
For the better part of a month now, you haven't been able to swing a dead cat with out seeing a Borat ad or news story or something. So how in the name of Tommy Walker's Magic Left Hand did Cohen manage to find the last person left on earth not in on the Borat gag?
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Post by Splattercat on Nov 16, 2006 10:38:20 GMT -5
it happened in New York....I make no excuses for their behaviour... ;D
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Post by JMello on Nov 16, 2006 12:45:39 GMT -5
Yeah, don't ever quote Surburban Commando again, please.
Anyways...sometimes fighting needs to occur, that's just nature, I myself have been in several fights. This was not the case here...in fear maybe, but I doubt it really needed to come to that. Both sides were wrong, the man who threw the punch should had held his temper in better. BTW "The Man Was Probably Jewish" - dumbest comment ever, there was nothing said about Jews in this altercation...that's an assumption and everyone knows what happens when you assume. Cohen was wrong because this wasn't the time to act like Borat, I mean obviously it wasn't for camera, so why act like that? Both sides were wrong and as long as Cohen wasn't hurt besides the usualy black eye or fat lip and the other man apologizes for jumping him over practically nothing, I see no reason for it to be blown up any further, although the media will.
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Post by GOODZILLA on Nov 16, 2006 15:34:30 GMT -5
Here's my 2 cents: I don't have a bad temper. I am a pretty understanding guy. I will usually try to talk things through with people rather than resort to throwing elbows.
BUT .... some people are just so idiotic that they won't respond to anything but a punch in the kisser ... or the threat of being punched.
And if you don't believe me then you are a hermit crab living in your parents basement who has never experienced the real world.
Go spend 3 hours standing in line at the DMV and tell me you don't encounter at least 7 people who seriously NEED to have their asses kicked.
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Post by Splattercat on Nov 16, 2006 16:02:58 GMT -5
Hey, I'm all for stupid people getting the beats...I would just prefer that it not be anyone I even remotely know giving them...You can pretty much expect the moron's broken face to be laughing as your handcuffed a** is dragged away...And the less he's able to laugh, the longer you're going to be up S**t's Creek without a paddle...
It's not going to end up that way every time you drill someone, but seriously, is it worth the risk...?
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Post by Pete on Nov 16, 2006 16:25:51 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing in particular, my favorite instance of celebrity violence.This is Buzz Aldrin being confronted by a whackjob named Bart Sibrel, who's produced several amateur movies (and I believe a Fox special) with "evidence" that the Apollo moon landings were all faked. Somehow he lured Aldrin to an interview in which he confronted him and demanded that he swear on a Bible that the landings were legit. When Sibrel starts poking him, Aldrin takes drastic measures... (Sibrel tried to press assault charges over this. They were quickly dismissed.)
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Post by gwffantrav on Nov 16, 2006 16:52:06 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing in particular, my favorite instance of celebrity violence.This is Buzz Aldrin being confronted by a whackjob named Bart Sibrel, who's produced several amateur movies (and I believe a Fox special) with "evidence" that the Apollo moon landings were all faked. Somehow he lured Aldrin to an interview in which he confronted him and demanded that he swear on a Bible that the landings were legit. When Sibrel starts poking him, Aldrin takes drastic measures... (Sibrel tried to press assault charges over this. They were quickly dismissed.) That nutjob Sibrel is on Coast to Coast AM all the time with George Noorey and Art Bell. I listen occassionally at work...but like Sibrel...there are some major nutcases on there. Now if you excuse me...I gotta go find Bigfoot! |
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Post by GrumpyBigBee on Nov 30, 2006 16:49:16 GMT -5
good. I think if more people punched other people in the face the world would be a better place. he got was he deserved. 2nded and agree totally... |
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