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Post by swarm on Oct 20, 2005 2:43:17 GMT -5
That whole site and thier game is clearly run by a group of [censored] amatuers...I checked it out, Tom has not a damn thing to worry about...
here is the post that I left on thier discussion board:
First off let me say that I respect anyone with creative drive. Taking the time to produce a game, a book, or whatever, based on a "true love", in this case, wrestling, is very impressive...
but with that said...
1) This game is clearly a blatant rip-off of CHAMPIONS OF THE GALAXY and you know it. You can try to masque it with bigger, folding game cards, an extra level of offense and defense, and a different back story, but you guys know damn well what you were doing and you knew deep down this day was coming...
2) The drawings suck. No.1, they look like pencil art. After seeing the lack of expression and animation on the face of the wrestler on the left of your main-screen, I can understand why you drew the guy on the right with a cloth covering his whole face...
3) Your web-site is bush-league. It's dark, it's boring.
4) The names of your wrestlers are generic. U.S. Marshall? A guy named Eric?
5) Having a monitor compare a fan base of a wrestling game that has been going strong for 20 years to the "nazi party" is proof you have idiots working for you. You know who were Nazi's? The freaking Nazi's...That's it.
6) Low blows and slander proves you are frauds. If you had any real faith in your game you wouldn't feel the sub-conscience urge to blast your "competition". But, to be honest, I understand. If this were my stupid idea, I'd be lying through my teeth to sell a few games too...
You're attempt to make fun of a futuristic concept "E.T. Title?" only solidifies the clear indication that you have no real imaginations...but after reading that sorry list of character names, Stevie Wonder stuck in a sleeping bag, locked in a treasure chest, under water, in the dead of night, could clearly see that...
7) Basically what you are attempting to do it to re-invent the wheel...trying to out-market, out-sell, and out-class a game company that has the backing of artists from Brian Bendis of Marvel, and Sonny Strait of DragonBall Z, to professional wrestlers from Harley Race, The Road Warriors, The Destroyer, Jim Cornette, Bobby Heenan, Jimmy Snuka, The Iron Shiek (I could go on...) is comparable to banging your head against the wall day and night...all your going to end up with at the end of the day is a bad, bad hangover...
8) On the bright-side, there is a massive amount of satisfaction knowing that in the near future, I, along with many others, will be able to enjoy watching you go down in flames. Maybe then you can start work designing a web-site for all the other roll-playing wrestling games that failed in the past two decades while Filsinger Games built it's empire, and you losers can chat about your short-comings...What's the over-under on the amount of days before your out of business? I'll take the under...
9) When this is all said and done, I wish you luck with your creative spirit. Maybe try to come up with something original, innovative, fresh, and inspiring. Hell, what you've created here isn't any different than about 200 + people have done making boot-leg sets of CHAMPIONS...only difference is most of thier characters don't have corny ass names, and do have better art work.
In closing, I'm more than sure that you will find Tom Filsinger and CHAMPIONS OF THE GALAXY a worthly competitor...when you lose, feel free to join the fun...
SWARM
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Post by swarm on Oct 20, 2005 3:21:01 GMT -5
Hey here's another one...feels good to fight again...but man, it sure isn't turning out to be much of a challenge...
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KARMA IS A pregnant dog
michelob wrote:
swarm, let me say that you are a dumb prick. these guys have a game that is in no way a rip off of the cotg bullcorn. if it was, i'd send it back to them in a [censored] heartbeat. i tire of mindless shit-sucking degenerates like you. i doubt that any of the guys who made this wil respond to you, but i will. you say you respect creative drive, then you bash it. honestly, guys like you can sit behind a computer all day and carry on, but you couln't or wouldn't say it in person. these guys would kick your pitiful ass is my guess. i have been in the business along time, and i like what these cats have done. i will never sign a contrct to have my likeness in that cotg trash. i have some dignity. these guys have a lot to offer the wrestling business, you obviously don't.
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Deep down You know what the [censored] is up with your COTG bashing. You know that "Tim's Brainstem" is a blatant shot at Tom and the game. Tom has a section on the site called "Inside Tom's brain"...you are clearly trying to take shots at GWF characters...Ant-Man? Oh you mean Antak...Star Nerd fueds with Dumbos, who has a finisher called the dumblock? You are hardly unfamilair with Star Warrior vs. Thantos. You procede to take shots at Colossus, Mandrill and a few others...about the only thing you [censored] amatuers didn't do was leave a bloody glove at the scene of the crime...
of course I don't have to tell you this.
This site is going down faster than your boy Phantom's IQ...
...what I wouldn't say in person? Ha. I WISH TO GOD I could be in the same room with you frauds...
SWARM
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Post by gwffantrav on Oct 20, 2005 3:38:43 GMT -5
yikes!! ;D
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Post by Darth Turkish on Oct 20, 2005 5:37:38 GMT -5
michelob wrote ...these guys would kick your pitiful ass is my guess. Watch out!  Internet tough guy on the loose!!!  |
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Post by ringsyde on Oct 20, 2005 6:53:13 GMT -5
Swarm, when the asskicking starts, you give old RingsYde a call.
In the meanwhile, go get 'em!!!
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Oct 20, 2005 8:46:29 GMT -5
Going to their forums and acting like (or outright being) asses won't accomplish anything and makes us as a community look bad. Compare your actions there to those of the few guests that have come here (like boo boo in the other thread). If they honestly feel that the best way to promote their game is to "satire" and insult Tom's, then Tom should take that as confirmation that CotG -- which has been around for 20 years now -- is indeed the measuring stick for non-video game wrestling. Just from poking around their site, the only info I saw regarding the actual game was in the mod's multiple-post reply to Tommy's questions. I did like the idea of additional options for the character (which is apparently what the charts inside the fold are for), as that's one of the few issues I have with the CotG engine: it doesn't allow for flexibility in movesets. That being said, everything else I saw there was a sad, pathetic attempt to promote their own, untested product (which it seems was just released recently), using every cheap shot at CotG they could muster. It's clear that they spent a lot of time digging through the Filsinger Games website, based on the numerous "beer and pretzels" shots, "Tim's Brainstem", and the rest. They must truly be insecure in their product if they think that it can't stand on its own merits without the constant comparisons to CotG. Especially since it's pretty blatant where the inspiration for their base mechanics came from: just take a look at this image of the back of the card; also, the inside of the cards looks very much like the Four Charts, but customized for each character. In the end, it looks like they're just trying to use their extra sizzle (and they have sizzle to spare) to sell an inferior steak. |
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Post by gamemaster on Oct 20, 2005 9:47:58 GMT -5
I would also like to know how it plays even though the card looks like a cotg card with 4 lvs. All I know is its not gonna be my 30 bucks that is posting how the game is. I got more important aCe stuff to buy and N-Force reviews to write. Bosferatu.. hehehe..owned by Shepard  |
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Post by Joe on Oct 20, 2005 9:53:01 GMT -5
I went to the website out of curiosity and I thought it was wack. Seriously terrible.
The worst part, however, is the discussion forum. There was a guy on there named Joe talking about how stale COTG is and he can't wait for this new game.
I can't believe the guy would steal my name! The people are definitely biting.
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Oct 20, 2005 9:54:38 GMT -5
I went to the website out of curiosity and I thought it was wack. Seriously terrible. The worst part, however, is the discussion forum. There was a guy on there named Joe talking about how stale COTG is and he can't wait for this new game. I can't believe the guy would steal my name! The people are definitely biting. Visit that thread again. EDIT: Or not. It seems as if their admin is deleting all of the forums. Interesting. Well, here was my post in the "Worst Games Ever" thread: |
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Post by Vidtek on Oct 20, 2005 10:22:04 GMT -5
So what's up with these guys? Where did they come from? Why are there no threads in thier forums that I can tell? And what possible problem would they have with us? What has CotG ever done to them?
Big Time.
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Post by gwffantrav on Oct 20, 2005 10:31:08 GMT -5
Jealousy....or you could say, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Oct 20, 2005 10:40:05 GMT -5
Update: They've closed off their forums to non-registered visitors. Thus ends my personal curiosity, as I have no reason to register for a forum for a game I never plan to own.
EDIT: Eh, I guess I sorta do, but in an IGMEOY sort of way.
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Post by Mark 138 on Oct 20, 2005 12:20:13 GMT -5
I'm going to address this as calmly as possible.
I would be willing to check out this game if not for a few things (and they're pretty big things):
Number one, the artwork. The basic structure of the bodies in the drawings I can see appear to be "swipes" of existing comic book artwork. The detail work is stiff and sloppy. For instance the musculature does not coincide with the lines around it in the examples I can clearly see(leading me to believe the outlines were drawn and then the details added inside them). The faces lack any sort of porper proportion or structure at all. Facial details are horribly lacking and somewhat akin to what a seventh grade art student may produce .As someone else noticed, the drawings all look like unfinished sketches. They're not even inked or finished in any way. I simply need nicer looking artwork to reel me in.
Second, a few examples of the character names:
Superbandit
'The Italian Buzzsaw' Eric Wooden
Bosferatu
Canadian Conqueror
Rage
Nightlife
Jack 'The Ripper' Gotch
'The Tank' Max Brawn
'The Iceman' Wayne Cameron
Blue Goo Man
The Wisp
U.S. Marshall
Mr. Brad (mgr)
'The Wild 1' Johnny Party
The ones that aren't so generic it's painful just read like something a young child would come up with or the kind of drek you'd find on a D-level indy show (a punchy nickname with normal guy name at the end). Blue Goo Man? Bosferatu? And they call other games characters no good?
The main thing is, even if the artwork was good and the character names showed originality and creativity, I cannot stomach bashing another product to get yourself over. If a game is good, it will be good without someone else's product having to be portrayed as bad. Furthermore, why would you offend a huge part of your potential fanbase(and they know it by trying to "advertise" here) by telling them the game they have devoted so much time to and get so much enjoyment from, is garbage?
Bottom line: Give me something proffessionally done with serious artwork and quality characters, an fun and not cumbersome game system, and be proffessional in your presentation (not immature bashing of another product without actually establishing your own), and then we'll talk. Until then, I can see attractive women on the internet in any state of undress I so desire without buying a game to get a pass to see them in bikins, and I can get a proven, quality game elsewhere as well.
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Post by neil on Oct 20, 2005 13:09:45 GMT -5
mark,
yeah i saw the names of their wrestlers.i could do better with my eyes closed.im sure us cotg could as well or better than that.
neil
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Oct 20, 2005 13:44:47 GMT -5
To be fair, a lot of CotG names left something to be desired as well, especially earlier editions (Star Warrior, Wolf, Pulsar, Amazonia... I could do this all day). Since real-life wrestling has moved toward a less-gimmicky envorinment and started using normal names, the CotG/comic-book "single word name" method has looked a bit hokey. Yes, you still have your Kanes, Undertakers, and even Hurricanes, but there are many more with normal-sounding (if not actually real) names. Garbage like "Max Power" went out with the early 90s. But Carter's art -- even though 75% of it at the time was "genric arms-folded pose #1" -- was still leagues beyond the pencil sketches over there. Successful games evolve over time, usually. I certainly know CotG has. EDIT: And I realize that this is coming from a guy whose main character's name (Vyolynce) is as comic-bookish as they come. |
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Post by ringsyde on Oct 20, 2005 14:15:30 GMT -5
As always, Mr. Ingersoll, your wisdom is king. I have all but given a "who cares" to "WW". I made numerous posts to make clear that I'm not going to fall for the guerilla marketing that the creators hoped to do here, and I'm going to stand firm when the other guy starts bashing the product. Hey, we all know the quality of COTG, but we also get new people from time to time that may fall for this Wrestle War ruse.
You all know my feelings about the other product, and you know where my heart lies. Until the other guys fail - and with their attitude, business practices and narrow vision, they will- I don't have much more to say.
NOTE: Don't be surprised to see new boards up at WW with guys named Swarm, RingsYde, Joe and other eerily familiar names to further smear the line.
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Post by swarm on Oct 20, 2005 14:32:52 GMT -5
NOTE: Don't be surprised to see new boards up at WW with guys named Swarm, RingsYde, Joe and other eerily familiar names to further smear the line. There is only one Swarm and everybody knows it. |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Oct 20, 2005 14:52:38 GMT -5
Thank $diety.  |
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Post by offspring515 on Oct 20, 2005 16:12:37 GMT -5
I feel bad for these guys, because whatever money they spent to market this game is going to waste. They obviously didnt' take any marketing classes in school either.
Let's say I'm selling a hamburger. Now my hamburger is a hell of a lot like my more successful, well established counterparts hamburger. But it has a fold out bun in the middle that allows for more exciting condiment options.
Now I know for a fact that plenty of people who love the competitors burger would love my burger too. And if they tried my burger, they might even love it more. So here is what I'm going to do. I'm going to tell them that the burger they love, and have been eating for years, is total crap. It's crap, the guy who makes it is crap, and anyone who has ever enjoyed it is crap. How many people do you think are going to give my burger a shot, after I've spent all my advertising time calling them a moron for enjoying the other burger?
Not a hell of a lot.
There are plenty of cotg fans who would give a similar game a try. And some might even like it better. But by attacking US for our love of this game, they cost themselves any chance of doing that. They basically shot themselves in the foot at the starting gate.
Nice Try guys. Better luck next time.
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Post by Joe on Oct 20, 2005 16:57:34 GMT -5
Those clowns changed the name of the column to "Snook's Brainstem." It also mentions T. Flimflammer, but no longer uses the name Tom.
Maybe they got worried about a potential lawsuit after all.
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IPPON!!
