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Post by crimsoncross on Nov 11, 2007 23:09:29 GMT -5
There were some good and some bad moments on this night, glad that KAZ won the Title Shot and match against Cage, MOTN! That ODB makes me laugh and shake my head, too bad Roxxi didn't win... MCMG and Team 3D had a good tag team match, but man they laid out Dutt and Lethal but good... the crowd was dead on that match between Dutt and Lethal. Tomko & Styles vs. Steiners was okey... the Black Reign vs. Abyss match was good, I liked when Abyss had Misty the Rat in his hands ready to slam it! The Main Event started off good with BOOKER T being there, but the end was forecasted prior to the Ladder Match when they showed Kurt as the Champion when they mentioned the Winner of the Ladder Match would face the World Champion... the match had it's moments and it had it's bad one's too... Kurt Angle with Styles and Tomko...? where does that leave Cage, interesting and what about Booker T, Sting, Kaz and Nash... I enjoyed GENESIS for the most part, but it was far from the level that was BOUND FOR GLORY '07...
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Post by gatekeeper on Nov 11, 2007 23:58:51 GMT -5
I know you're a big TNA mark CC, but how can you be gald that Kaz wins a #1 cont. match? Most TNA fans barely know who that guy is.
Look at the main event, no homegrown guys. Angle, Nash, Booker T, and Sting. ugh
TNA is WCW c. 1999
When Dustin Runnels is in a big match for a wrestling company in 2007, they have serious problems.
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Post by GalactiKing on Nov 11, 2007 23:59:49 GMT -5
Main downside of Kaz winning is that you know he doesn't have a chance in Hades of winning the title.
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Post by Knapik on Nov 12, 2007 0:56:45 GMT -5
I know you're a big TNA mark CC, but how can you be gald that Kaz wins a #1 cont. match? Most TNA fans barely know who that guy is. Look at the main event, no homegrown guys. Angle, Nash, Booker T, and Sting. ugh TNA is WCW c. 1999 When Dustin Runnels is in a big match for a wrestling company in 2007, they have serious problems. I think TNA fans knowwho Kaz is. In one sentence you claim they don't push homegrown talent, then you bash them for pushing homegrown talent. Man I don't like TNA either, but come on. |
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 12, 2007 1:17:13 GMT -5
The ONLY problem with pushing Kaz is that they did it out of nowhere. they didn't even finish up the feud wiith Rode.
If they had allowed Kaz to get a win over Roode, if there had been a little more of a build =, or even if he had been seen as a serius X Division competitior, then he would've been way over.
As it is..he went from being Raven's lacky to #1 Contender and it feels a little forced.
If TNA doesn't drop the ball with him he really could be an asset on that roster. Since he's got the size and chops to work programs with Daniels and AJ along with Christian.
Kaz's problem is he still works as a heel when he's playing a face but there are worse people on the roster to push.
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 12, 2007 1:21:23 GMT -5
As for the show..sounds like it was standard issue TNA booking.
Some decent ring-work. A bunch of debuts. Too many storylines. A lot of unnecessary comedy stuff (although james Storm rocking the spinner belt as his "drinking champiohnship sounds LOL).
And the main event - which already had way too much going on - ends with even MORE outside interference. It's like they can't stay out of their own way.
BFG wa a FANTASTIC show. This sounded like a long Impact.
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Post by Big Bri on Nov 12, 2007 2:19:19 GMT -5
Seeing Kaz challenge for the title will be cool just because it's a change of pace. Sure, he probably won't win but it'll be fun to watch.
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Post by crimsoncross on Nov 12, 2007 5:38:09 GMT -5
I've changed my view on wrestling as a whole, I'm not as big of a fan of TNA like I was in 2005 and 2006... TNA is still a lower promotion and is far from being at a level most fans want, I like what I like and dislike what I dislike... life goes on!
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Post by Aquinas on Nov 12, 2007 9:05:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I think TNA fans know full well who Kaz is. And while the manner of his elevation, I agree, feels a bit forced.....it's cool to see guys like him and Roode and The Motor City Machineguns getting pushed.
The main event was bumbled, but Booker T is a great addition to that company, if (of course) handled properly.
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Post by MikeMcKinney on Nov 12, 2007 9:16:31 GMT -5
Decent PPV... Nice to see Booker in ring again, Liked Kaz going over Cage, and MCMG going over team 3-D was the highlight for me. The bad Dutt and Lethal and run in's on the main event again..Why does every Main Event match have to have a run in to get a damn winner. Not a great PPV just average.
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Post by JED-SE on Nov 12, 2007 9:42:29 GMT -5
I know you're a big TNA mark CC, but how can you be gald that Kaz wins a #1 cont. match? Most TNA fans barely know who that guy is. Look at the main event, no homegrown guys. Angle, Nash, Booker T, and Sting. ugh TNA is WCW c. 1999 When Dustin Runnels is in a big match for a wrestling company in 2007, they have serious problems. I think TNA fans knowwho Kaz is. In one sentence you claim they don't push homegrown talent, then you bash them for pushing homegrown talent. Man I don't like TNA either, but come on. When he compares TNA to WCW 1999, I think he's critising them on the choice of homegrown talent they are pushing, kind of like when WCW pushed Billy Kidman in 99. If you're going to have homegrown talent go over Christian Cage, make sure it's someone who is better known than Kaz. I think the whole "TNA fans don't know who Kaz is," was more of an exaggeration, that he's not as well known. Me personally, I don't have a problem with them pushing Kaz, I just think this push is a bit rushed. I think Joe would have been a better pick to have get the title shot, and have Kaz continue his feud with Roode. While they've done Joe vs angle 4 times, this is still a match I would pay to see. I don't care enough about Kaz yet to see him face Angle. |
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Post by gatekeeper on Nov 12, 2007 13:03:27 GMT -5
I think TNA fans knowwho Kaz is. In one sentence you claim they don't push homegrown talent, then you bash them for pushing homegrown talent. Man I don't like TNA either, but come on. When he compares TNA to WCW 1999, I think he's critising them on the choice of homegrown talent they are pushing, kind of like when WCW pushed Billy Kidman in 99. If you're going to have homegrown talent go over Christian Cage, make sure it's someone who is better known than Kaz. I think the whole "TNA fans don't know who Kaz is," was more of an exaggeration, that he's not as well known. Me personally, I don't have a problem with them pushing Kaz, I just think this push is a bit rushed. I think Joe would have been a better pick to have get the title shot, and have Kaz continue his feud with Roode. While they've done Joe vs angle 4 times, this is still a match I would pay to see. I don't care enough about Kaz yet to see him face Angle. Thank you. It seems that people just attack everything I say and don't look at the overall picture of what the point is. They have Kaz win a BIG match (as big as a TNA match can be) with basically no build up. You have to pick the right "homegrown" guys to push, it's not rocket science. Kaz isn't gonna get new viewers or boost the ratings because it came out of nowhere. TNA is WCW 1999. It is. It just is. Look at who's been the main events for the past year. 90% of them are WWE/WCW castoffs who are way past their prime. Senshi would've been great with a nice run as X Champ but they gave him no facetime, after he won the belt, he fought on 2 PPVs and didn't even use his finisher, and then took the belt off him. Why bother with guys like Black Reign? It serves no purpose. He was barely watchable 10 years ago as Goldust. They need to take Raven, Runnels, The Steiners, The Dudleys, Hall, Nash, and Sting -- fire them and move forward with their young guys. |
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 12, 2007 13:10:07 GMT -5
Thank you. It seems that people just attack everything I say and don't look at the overall picture of what the point is. They have Kaz win a BIG match (as big as a TNA match can be) with basically no build up. You have to pick the right "homegrown" guys to push, it's not rocket science. Kaz isn't gonna get new viewers or boost the ratings because it came out of nowhere. TNA is WCW 1999. It is. It just is. Look at who's been the main events for the past year. 90% of them are WWE/WCW castoffs who are way past their prime. Senshi would've been great with a nice run as X Champ but they gave him no facetime, after he won the belt, he fought on 2 PPVs and didn't even use his finisher, and then took the belt off him. Why bother with guys like Black Reign? It serves no purpose. He was barely watchable 10 years ago as Goldust. They need to take Raven, Runnels, The Steiners, The Dudleys, Hall, Nash, and Sting -- fire them and move forward with their young guys. Those are all great points. It's too bad you are type-cast as a "TNA basher" because I don't think you are saying anything that any reasonable TNA viewer could totally object to. |
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 12, 2007 13:14:41 GMT -5
Me personally, I don't have a problem with them pushing Kaz, I just think this push is a bit rushed. I think Joe would have been a better pick to have get the title shot, and have Kaz continue his feud with Roode. While they've done Joe vs angle 4 times, this is still a match I would pay to see. I don't care enough about Kaz yet to see him face Angle. The problem is...and I think TNA fans and net fans ae just going to have to accept this...TNA has pretty much made it clear they don't think Joe is a main eventer. Look at how they book him...look at how he's treated...look at how much TV time he gets (especially now with Nash, Angle, Sting, Cage, etc as part of the roster) ...I think it's pretty clear: As irritating and baffling as it is, the people who run TNA just don't see Joe as a star for their company. In a lesser sense, it's the same thing that's happening with AJ, Daniels, and Semshi... |
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Post by Aquinas on Nov 12, 2007 13:48:33 GMT -5
I think guys like Black Reign serve a purpose. He's never, even in TNA's misguided operations, going to go beyond mid-carder. Abyss is a homegrown talent with a decent future, who was going to feud with another unknown in Judas Mesias. Mesias got hurt so they plugged in BR, who is doing the job for the homegrown guy. There's no harm in that.
Senshi = definitely a wasted talent. That goes for a lot of the X-Division, which has been relegated to gimmicks. A lot of that is the fault of one Kevin Nash. Jay Lethal is a great wrestler....but his Macho Man impersonation was funny for a couple times -- not for an entire gimmick. Sonjay Dutt's gimmick is just plain stupid.
Tag-team situation is solid. Motor City dudes are good. LAX is good. Tomko and Styles are decent (even if Styles is being horribly wasted)... The veterans are fine when they are beating each other up, and then jobbing to the up and comers like the MCMG's.
I don't have a problem with Angle and Booker at the top -- they are legends and you can't have ONLY young guys at the top. If Sting, whom I happen to still like a lot, is a draw still, he's fine up there....provided he helps promote the up and comers, like he did with Abyss.
I'm hoping Nash goes away reasonably soon.
I do agree that, even though WCW was the best in the business back in the late 90s and still my personal high point of wrestling fandom, emulating them is not the way to go to gain ground. They need to be different.
WWE is slumping of late. Try to be an ALTERNATIVE and MAYBE you'll get somewhere. Maybe.
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 12, 2007 14:02:51 GMT -5
I think guys like Black Reign serve a purpose. He's never, even in TNA's misguided operations, going to go beyond mid-carder. Abyss is a homegrown talent with a decent future, who was going to feud with another unknown in Judas Mesias. Mesias got hurt so they plugged in BR, who is doing the job for the homegrown guy. There's no harm in that. Hysterical. "A decent future?" When? He's a good talent who took a Kane rip-off gimmick and turned it into something entertaining. But he's jobbed constantly. You can only have "potential" for so long His feud with Christian was one of the hotter programs in all of wrestling, not just TNA, and it ended with a match on Impact (not a PPV) and now he's stuck in a loser feud with sub-midcarder. That's bad booking. There is always harm in bad booking. Nash didn't actually write the X Division story. Pushing the X title down the card was the writing team's decision. Nash and those skits actually added some character to those wrestlers, which the writing team proceeded to take advantage of by putting them on X-Plosion as much as humanly possible. Again...bad booking. Problem is, they've elevated the tag belts before and then wasted all the momentum. Triple X, AMW, AJ & Daniels, LAX...ridiculously over and then buried ASAP. So let me know when all this tag booking actually goes somewhere. Listen, you're missing the point completely: when people say they are trying to be WCW, they aren't talking about that era when WCW had the nWo and was dripping with undercard talent and dominating the wrestling world. They are talking about when the WCW had ridiculous storylines, paid large sums of money for "name" wrestlers that no one was interested in, hot-shotted their titles constantly, and completely wasted young guys like Jericho, Benoit, Rey, Eddie, etc. It's an insult. It is most definitely not the way to go. The only thing you got right in the whole post.  Honestly..TNA has tons of talent on the roster, I'd even go so far as to say they have more than then the WWE if you go down the line, but until they are used in a matter that makes sense for a good amount of time it's hard to take this company seriously. |
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Post by Aquinas on Nov 12, 2007 16:13:26 GMT -5
Well, 1 out of 5 ain't bad  Seriously, we may disagree on the finer points, but I do agree that TNA has a ton of talent -- and when you look at the the WWE injury-depleted roster in particular, I think TNA does have a slight edge in overall talent. And that's the ultimate frustration of TNA. I really really want them to succeed, because wrestling needs competition now more than ever. But I don't get much optimism at all because it's like 1 step forward, 3 steps back for them. Trust me, while i cited 'strengths' in my original post, those strengths are on paper strengths. I know as well as you that TNA's writing staff has thus far been incapable of maximizing that talent. If they did, they'd blow WWE out of the water....because WWE isn't exactly blazing trails the past year. I've actually enjoyed Impact more than RAW the past few weeks as it is -- my God, if they knew what they were doing...... |
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Post by dukedave on Nov 12, 2007 16:41:56 GMT -5
Nash didn't actually write the X Division story. Pushing the X title down the card was the writing team's decision. Nash and those skits actually added some character to those wrestlers, which the writing team proceeded to take advantage of by putting them on X-Plosion as much as humanly possible. Again...bad booking. Actually, everything I read was that the whole X-division idea was his and that eventually he would give the rub to Sabin in the end to push him into the upper tier. But he changed his mind and squashed the division. What is really stupid is that they are doing the same thing with the X-Division vs the most overrated team of all-time. |
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Post by dukedave on Nov 12, 2007 16:44:39 GMT -5
That goes for a lot of the X-Division, which has been relegated to gimmicks. A lot of that is the fault of one Kevin Nash. I don't know if bigeasy has a list, but if he does, you just made it, buddy!! |
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Post by Aquinas on Nov 12, 2007 16:50:39 GMT -5
That goes for a lot of the X-Division, which has been relegated to gimmicks. A lot of that is the fault of one Kevin Nash. I don't know if bigeasy has a list, but if he does, you just made it, buddy!! Well, I did admit that I liked the Hall-Nash reunion last Thursday....maybe that earns me a reprieve. |
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