No Surrender 2007

[Hegemony]

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[bigeasy]

I heard Kevin Nash had an excellent skit with Black Machismo. Now I'm pissed I didn't order it. They should advertise Kevin Nash's mic time.

[Aquinas]

bigeasy said:

I heard Kevin Nash had an excellent skit with Black Machismo. Now I'm ticked I didn't order it. They should advertise Kevin Nash's mic time.

That would have been a great skit.....













For WCW in 1998.

[bigeasy]

aquinas said:

bigeasy said:

I heard Kevin Nash had an excellent skit with Black Machismo. Now I'm ticked I didn't order it. They should advertise Kevin Nash's mic time.

That would have been a great skit.....













For WCW in 1998.

LOL. Nash just wanted to recreate the shortest 5 star match ever- the Fingerpoke of Doom~!

[Highway61Revisited]

- Team Pacman def. Kurt Angle & Sting to win the TNA World Tag Team Title
- Rhino def. “Cowboy” James Storm
- Robert Roode def. Kaz
- “Black Machismo” Jay Lethal def. Kurt Angle to win the X Championship
- “Wildcat” Chris Harris def. Black Reign
- AJ Styles and Tomko won the Tag Team Gauntlet to become the number-one contenders to the TNA World Tag Team Title
- Christian Cage def. Samoa Joe by disqualification
- Kurt Angle def. Abyss to retain the TNA World Heavyweight Championship

SOURCE: tnawrestling.com

So is Jay Lethal going to get a title program now that he holds a victory over Kurt Angle?

[Knapik]

highway61revisited said:

- Team Pacman def. Kurt Angle & Sting to win the TNA World Tag Team Title

Heaven help us.

[crimsoncross]

OKey I said I would not comment on TNA, but I'm going too...

It was a good pay-per-view... the only problem I had was with the first match which clear as day how it would turnout, but this is one of a few ways that Team Pacman can keep the belts since Pacman can't wrestle... bad move in my view.

But overall this was a good event, glad for some of the clean finishes which maybe now TNA will do more often...

[JamieOD]

I'm really happy to see Jay Lethal beat Kurt Angle clean for the X Divison title.

[JED-SE]

bigeasy said:

I heard Kevin Nash had an excellent skit with Black Machismo. Now I'm ticked I didn't order it. They should advertise Kevin Nash's mic time.

For the love of God, would you please cut it out with your man-crush for Kevin Nash!!! I'm going to ruin my keyboard from puking on it so often if I hear one more "Kevin Nash is the best" post from you

[bigeasy]

Never! This TNA board has been useless and deserted for too long. Since there's nothing else in TNA worth talking about, I will use this board to profess the greatness of Kevin Nash to all who will listen.

[Wildfire]

I just checked out the feedback and such... seems like a good sign to have Lethal win the X-Division title... now if they have him drop the Macho Man riff and do a shoot-ish promo on Nash about the X-Division being taken seriously they could be in good shape.


I don't understand the logic on the Pacman thing at all...


Joe as a heel should be good, maybe they can re-build some credibility for him, though I suspect they might do an injury angle to get him off TV for the GHC thing...

the Abyss thing looks promising.. he seems like the one guy they book well, if only they'd let him win a match once in a while..

[Joe]

jamieod said:

I'm really happy to see Jay Lethal beat Kurt Angle clean for the X Divison title.

I have never been one to go for "Team A beat Team B, and Team B beat Team C, therefore Team A will definitely beat Team C," but to have Jay Lethal beat Kurt Angle cleanly is ridiculous.

For one, wouldn't that make Lethal the automatic number one contender to the TNA title? Second, doesn't that kill what little credibility that Abyss has by having him lose to Angle after the Lethal match? Finally, what does that say about Abyss that he couldn't beat a guy who has been beaten by Lethal earlier and who lost a handicapped match with Sting to Ron Killings?

It appears that Lethal is about to receive the Vince Russo/Billy Kidman push, which didn't work the first time so I don't see how it can work now. It also seems like TNA is still making a mess of its angles and storylines.

[dukedave]

I'm glad I didn't order this based on most of the stuff Joe said. Having Gay Lethal beat Angle is just stupid. It's stupid no matter how you look at it but when he's wrestling as Black Machismo it's even more stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Man. I need to order some ROH DVD's, well, maybe not.

[Highway61Revisited]

joe said:

jamieod said:

I'm really happy to see Jay Lethal beat Kurt Angle clean for the X Divison title.

I have never been one to go for "Team A beat Team B, and Team B beat Team C, therefore Team A will definitely beat Team C," but to have Jay Lethal beat Kurt Angle cleanly is ridiculous.

For one, wouldn't that make Lethal the automatic number one contender to the TNA title? Second, doesn't that kill what little credibility that Abyss has by having him lose to Angle after the Lethal match? Finally, what does that say about Abyss that he couldn't beat a guy who has been beaten by Lethal earlier and who lost a handicapped match with Sting to Ron Killings?

It appears that Lethal is about to receive the Vince Russo/Billy Kidman push, which didn't work the first time so I don't see how it can work now. It also seems like TNA is still making a mess of its angles and storylines.

QFT.

I've never liked Jay Lethal, stemming from his early days in ROH. He's boring dime-a-dozen indy worker. The Macho Man gimmick is the most charisma he's ever shown. I don't know how he's going to "save the X-Divison" or anything else. People aren't going to think, "You know I really need to tune in or go to the arena to see Jay Lethal."

Why would you? TNA has ten other workers who do th e same indy crap week in and week out. They've had them since the early days of the promotion.

Now he holds a clean victory over the World champion? Did Killings pin Angle or Sting? God, TNA sucks. Once the two hour thing starts it's goin to be a train wreck for two hours.

Joe's going to NOAH maybe he'll become their Terry Gordy and just cut the big check from TNA. God knows they're never going to use him, or anyone else, correctly.

[Wildfire]

I thought Lethal was pretty decent in RoH before the 'Black Mashismo" silliness,,, when he was Samoa Joe's sidekick, then turned on him.

He's not great on the mic, but he's passible, I think.

Good point about having him go over Angle though... I hadn't really thought about that part... it definately hurts Angle credibility.... OTOH, HHH did job to Shelton Benjamin a couple years back, and it all worked out (for HHH anyway.. Shelton got back on the S-list or something)


Abyss can't be buried any more than when he lost to Spike Dudley, so that doesn't worry me

[Joe]

wildfire said:

I thought Lethal was pretty decent in RoH before the 'Black Mashismo" silliness,,, when he was Samoa Joe's sidekick, then turned on him.

He's not great on the mic, but he's passible, I think.

Good point about having him go over Angle though... I hadn't really thought about that part... it definately hurts Angle credibility.... OTOH, HHH did job to Shelton Benjamin a couple years back, and it all worked out (for HHH anyway.. Shelton got back on the S-list or something)


Abyss can't be buried any more than when he lost to Spike Dudley, so that doesn't worry me

The only thing Shelton Benjamin and Jay Lethal have in common is they are Black.

Jay Lethal is a run-of-the-mill, never-draw-a-dime indy guy. Shelton Benjamin has the look and in-ring ability to be a headliner for years. Whether his mic work catches up to everything else and he becomes one is a different story.

Regardless, Lethal is in no way comparable to Shelton Benjamin.

Real question, Wildfire: If Jay Lethal was white would you have even thought to mention Benjamin's ultra-memorable win over Triple H?

[Wildfire]

I was thinking the situation was similar, that they're both black is just a co-incidence.

I think Lethal is better than your run of the mill flippity inddy guy... I really thought he was pretty good in his program with Joe in RoH.. he just has to work on his promo delivery, IMO.

I REALLY hoped for Benjamin to be good, as he's amazing in the ring, but he just has no personality (or, perhaps more correctly, hasn't shown, or been allowed to show any)

You can feel free to disagree though, to each his own.

[Highway61Revisited]

If I had been in a program with Samoa Joe from 2004-2005 I would looked better than your run-of-the-mill indy guy. Not quite, but Joe was pretty freakin' awesome in that time line.

The match at Manhattan Mayhem was/is the highlight of Lethal's career.

I think the biggest question out of this whole thing isn't some silly Benjamin/Lethal comparison but where the X-Division is going from here. What's left to do with it?

TNA isn't working with AAA anymore (according to this week's Observer) which throws out the idea of having Lethal defend against luchadors. Which has been the only way that anyone has ever created buzz outside of the internet with a lightweight division.

If he just keeps defending it against crappy guys on TNA's roster it's a wasted belt.

[Joe]

wildfire said:

I was thinking the situation was similar, that they're both black is just a co-incidence.

I think Lethal is better than your run of the mill flippity inddy guy... I really thought he was pretty good in his program with Joe in RoH.. he just has to work on his promo delivery, IMO.

I REALLY hoped for Benjamin to be good, as he's amazing in the ring, but he just has no personality (or, perhaps more correctly, hasn't shown, or been allowed to show any)

You can feel free to disagree though, to each his own.

Again, I ask, where is the similarity? Jay Lethal is a lower-rung guy who who is only on TV because he does a decent impersonation of Randy Savage. Shelton Benjamin was one of the hottest guys in WWE going into his match with Triple H.

If you want to see an example, look what Russo did with Billy Kidman when he pushed him into the feud with Hogan. Save for Kidman not being the comedy act that Lethal is, that is a much more similar situation.

[dukedave]

joe said:

wildfire said:

I was thinking the situation was similar, that they're both black is just a co-incidence.

I think Lethal is better than your run of the mill flippity inddy guy... I really thought he was pretty good in his program with Joe in RoH.. he just has to work on his promo delivery, IMO.

I REALLY hoped for Benjamin to be good, as he's amazing in the ring, but he just has no personality (or, perhaps more correctly, hasn't shown, or been allowed to show any)

You can feel free to disagree though, to each his own.

Again, I ask, where is the similarity? Jay Lethal is a lower-rung guy who who is only on TV because he does a decent impersonation of Randy Savage. Shelton Benjamin was one of the hottest guys in WWE going into his match with Triple H.

If you want to see an example, look what Russo did with Billy Kidman when he pushed him into the feud with Hogan. Save for Kidman not being the comedy act that Lethal is, that is a much more similar situation.

Except the fact that Kidman was way more talented.