TNA signs Pac Man Jones

[Hegemony]

When I think about the talent on this roster, and then think of how this promotion is run, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[cakejedi]

hegemony said:

When I think about the talent on this roster, and then think of how this promotion is run, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Cry

TNA should be built around Christopher Daniels, AJ Styles, and Samoa Joe! What a waste!

[Hegemony]

cakejedi said:

hegemony said:

When I think about the talent on this roster, and then think of how this promotion is run, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Cry

TNA should be built around Christopher Daniels, AJ Styles, and Samoa Joe! What a waste!

You are right, I chose crying. Squandered talent makes me very sad.

[stephenvegas]

Did anyone else see that interview last night on Sportscenter with Pacman Jones sitting next to Jeff Jarret?

Joness said he only goes into strip clubs (where he's been involved in a couple of fights inlcuding one here in Las Vegas that left somebody paralyzed) to eat. I live here in Las Vegas and we have lots of good restraunts and it's easy to find decent food without having to go inside a strip club.

In that interview, Jones also lied about the number of times he's been arrested.

Jones also said he's going to be wrestling for TNA this weekend but today the Tennessee Titans obtained a court order to block him from doing so as it is a clear violation of his NFL contract with them. And I say good for the Titans because they have every right to protect their interests.

[deadlikeme]

Doesn't surprise me in the least Sinner.

[stephenvegas]

It looks like Pacman Jones finally realizes he won't be allowed to wrestle this weekend for TNA:

After a six-hour negotiating session, Adam "Pacman" Jones' lawyers and the Tennessee Titans reached an agreement Friday night that they hope will alter a Nashville court's temporary restraining order, according to The Nashville Tennessean.

Under the agreement, Jones, who was prohibited from participating in wrestling by a court order earlier Friday, would agree to avoid physical contact of any kind, a source close to the talks told the paper on Friday. The suspended Titans cornerback also would agree not to be involved in any other sort of action that places him at risk of injury while maintaining some outside-the-ring involvement with Total Nonstop Action Wrestling.

The mutual agreement of the parties to modify the temporary restraining order will now go before a Williamson County Chancery Court judge at 11 a.m. ET Saturday, the paper said. Both sides will present the details of their talks at that hearing and seek approval from the judge.

sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2969037

[ferg]

personally I'd like to spit in the faces of the Titans owners and the football commissioner. Not because he won't be allowed to wrestle. I hate they signed him too, but because they are taking his god given constitutional rights to earn a living and to do what he wants. I thought we lived in a free country, I guess like our constitutional rights, our personal rights are slowly being taken from us. My the Tennessee Titan ownership and the office of the NFL commssioner burn in the hottest part of h*ll with Adolph and Saddam

[PureHatred]

ferg said:

personally I'd like to spit in the faces of the Titans owners and the football commissioner. Not because he won't be allowed to wrestle. I hate they signed him too, but because they are taking his god given constitutional rights to earn a living and to do what he wants. I thought we lived in a free country, I guess like our constitutional rights, our personal rights are slowly being taken from us. My the Tennessee Titan ownership and the office of the NFL commssioner burn in the hottest part of h*ll with Adolph and Saddam

You're kidding right? Are you mental?

Adam Jones is a professional athlete. One of the single most spoiled and overprovileged professions you can be in this country. Hell, this planet.

He signed a contract which prohibits him from engaging in any activities which could threaten his physcial health. Standard practice because these teams are protecting their million dollar investment.

The only reason he *needs* to work at the moment is because he's not getting paid this year due to the fact that he's an immature jack-ass who makes it a habit of beating up strippers and hanging out with 'alleged' murderers.

If Adam had decided to exercise his 'constitutional right to make a living' by..I don't know...making a CD or opening an accounting firm or flipingreal estate..the Titans wouldn;t have cared. But of course he picked the single stupidest thing he could've done because the idea of not pissing off his eomployers who hes already screwed over (and who could still cut him, negating the roughly $4.5 million they owe him over the next two seasons) never occured to this brain dead miscreant.

So, again: Jones never would have considered wrestling had he not been in financial bind caused by his OWN actions.

Jones was violating his contract and the Titans had every right to stop him Any reasonable person can see that.

So you're wrong..unless there's some Constitutional right to be paid millions of dollars for being a complete a-hole I'm unaware of.

[mwjergs]

I can't follow that up.
You beat me to it Hatred.

Adam Jones is just a clown, but if the Titans had any real backbone they would have cut him already. But he has some skill so we know how that goes.

[ferg]

It's just like that stupid safety belt rule. We are being robbed of our rights as individuals. That part of the contract is a slap in the face of everything America was based on. No, I donb't want to see Pacman in the ring or even around the ring, I'd rather see the promotion built against actual wrestlers, but we had best pay attention, especially since Hillary will be our next President. The government is stripping us of our rights.

[stephenvegas]

ferg said:

It's just like that stupid safety belt rule. We are being robbed of our rights as individuals. That part of the contract is a slap in the face of everything America was based on. No, I donb't want to see Pacman in the ring or even around the ring, I'd rather see the promotion built against actual wrestlers, but we had best pay attention, especially since Hillary will be our next President. The government is stripping us of our rights.

Pacman Jones, not the government, is responsible for his problems.

It's standard practice to include these clauses in players' lucrative contracts prohibiting them from doing other types of potentially hazardous physical actviites that could possibly jeopardize their football careers and the NFL has a personal conduct policy which Pacman Jones with his 6 arrests since being drafted in April of 2005 clearly violated. I have no sympathy for Pacman Jones at all.

[ferg]

And thats all well and good. But those types of contracts in fringe on the rights of the individual. I have always said that athletes contracts have several problems. first, the athletes get paid too much. Second, athletes are nothing more than mere slaves that are at the whim of the owners and leagues. Now, it is a voluntary slavery. The thirdly, like teachers, athletes are no longer to enjoy interests that are considered moral terpitude or anything considered dangerous. Should an employer control their employees outside of the work place? the last two i feel are infringements on the rights of individuals. Where are the unions that drain employees of money?They should be fighting for these individual rights to be able to do what they want ON THEIR OWN TIME. I think that is what the Pacman situation is showing. As I have said before I think it is a bad move by TNA. but Mr. Jones should have the right to follow his own path outside the work place.

[PureHatred]

Athletes are given freedom of choice.

You choose to give up some personal freedoms in order to make millions of dollars.

If you don't want to give up those freedoms (as some athletes don't..some have motorcycle riding clauses in their contracts) then you agree to a)get paid less and b) possibly have to give up a huge bunch of your signing bonus.

This is really a stupid argument. Your point is ridiculous. Nobody forces these athletes into pro sports therefore anything they've given up has been willingly.

These teams pay millions of dollars worth of salary. What about their right to protect their investment? Modeling agencies a lot of times have riders in their contracts prohibiting smoking or drug use or excessive weight gain because the model's appearance IS their value.

The government stripping the public of its personal freedoms has nothing to do with a specific individual negotiating on his own a contract which pays him to protect his or her physical being when that physical being is the only thing that makes them valuable in the first place.

Get over it. It's not the same thing.

[mwjergs]

Adam Jones would be allowed to do what he wanted if he terminated his contract. The club has a very large monetary investment made in him and with that incentive comes responsibility to the club. No one is forcing him to play sports. It comes with the territory. Your job is to get paid to play on game on Sundays.

1) Athletes are paid too much: You want personal freedom for athletes when it comes to behavior but, when it comes to salary they should be restricted? Their value is determined in the open market and what franchises are willing to pay for their services.
2) Voluntary slavery: I've heard this arguement before. It's laughable. Just don't get arrested and act like a jerk in public. Your rights are limited when they infringe on the rights of others.
3) I currently teach in the public school system and have done so for the past 13 years. I have a responsibilty to be aware of my actions outside of my workplace. I can't go to the corner bar and get loaded. I can't beat my favorite strippers. I can't engage in "conduct that is considered contrary to community standards of justice, honesty, or good morals". It comes with the territory. If I wanted to do these things I would work for UPS or Best Buy or some other job where people don't hold good judgement to be important. Adam can look into those jobs after he terminates his football contract, I'm sure they are hiring.

[ferg]

I am a teacher as well. I would like the right to go to a bar and get drunk and not have to hide some other things that I do on net as well as real life. But my argument extends not only to wrestling but to sports in general and the government don't have the testicular fortitude to go against the owners, just like they don't have the fortitude to go against the oil companies or fight the war the only way to win it. Suddenly communism doesn't seem that bad

[PureHatred]

You don't have an argument. That's the point.

The government has no reaosn to go against the owners because the owners haven't done anything wrong. This are negotiated contracts and the athletes could easily gain their "freedom" by simply agreeing to be paid less.

Seriously...think about this...if you said to most people, "hey, you can make millions of dollars to play a game and become famous to the point where you may never have to work a day for the rest of your life, BUT you have to stay out of trouble with the law and for a few years you have to not do things like ride a motorcycle or jump out of an airplane or become a pro wrestler.." who doesn't make that choice? Only a total whack-job, that's who.

Athletes surrender a certain amount of personal freedoms for a few years and in exchange they get to set themeselves and their family up for the rest of their lives. Cry me a river.

[mft]

purehatred said:

You don't have an argument. That's the point.

The government has no reaosn to go against the owners because the owners haven't done anything wrong. This are negotiated contracts and the athletes could easily gain their "freedom" by simply agreeing to be paid less.

Seriously...think about this...if you said to most people, "hey, you can make millions of dollars to play a game and become famous to the point where you may never have to work a day for the rest of your life, BUT you have to stay out of trouble with the law and for a few years you have to not do things like ride a motorcycle or jump out of an airplane or become a pro wrestler.." who doesn't make that choice? Only a total whack-job, that's who.

Athletes surrender a certain amount of personal freedoms for a few years and in exchange they get to set themeselves and their family up for the rest of their lives. Cry me a river.

Can anyone say "hit the nail on the head"?

ferg said:

Suddenly communism doesn't seem that bad

Wow...kinda disturbing there ferg

[Highway61Revisited]

Oil companies and the war are completely different as those fall under duties of the legislative branch, particularly the latter. The key with the oil companies is one could make a strong enough argument that they are participating in unethical practices therefore, the congress could hold hearings.

What argument could be made for unethical/immoral business practices that are a) affecting the personal well-being and/or happiness of the player, b) not paying employee a fair wage, or c) inhibiting upon the player's personal rights to a degree that the player feels he's being constitutionally violated.

When you look at 'c' you have to dig deeper into professional sports and find that contracts with regulations have a set precedent. Is this an infringement on your rights? Don't most employers have regulations that people must abide by--without earning a fraction of NFL pay? If following a strict set of rules while in the workplace, and as a player protection of your body is definitely important when relating to activities in the workplace, is unconstitutional than this is opening a can of worms that most companies are going to feel the effects of, more businesses than anyone here can conceive.

So, no, there is no constitutional violation and the Titans aren't doing anything wrong. Jones is a pretty despicable human being though.

EDIT: Also, to use the word "slavery" in the context of NFL players is completely disrespectful to those who were actually forced servants to a master. Jones had the personal choice to sign that contract and then made the choice to participate in the stupid actions afterward.

Those in bondage don't/didn't have much of a choice in anything.

[mikefortune]

Wow Ferg you are all over the place, seat belts are a good thing they actually save lives. And to compare athletes to slaves, where in the blue hell did that come from. Athletes have special riders in their contracts saying what they can and cannot do. I remember the Oakland A's prospect Todd Van Popple had in his contract in 1989 he was not allowed to operate machinery that had moving parts and examples were lawn mowers, chain saws hedge trimmers ect. So these things have been in place for years so for Pac man Jones to be a pin head and want to do things that he knows that he cant do, like beating women he should be punished just a little don't you think.

And also communism in not a bad idea in THEORY it is a great idea in THEORY. And where are you a teacher, please tell me you are not putting ideas like you have had into the minds of the children you teach. That might be construed as a bad idea. Noe some people don't mind back wards thinking, I have been to a few southern states where evolution is a four letter word. Then again I think having a German Pope is a little weird. Who else gets nervous when they see a German talking to 200,000 people.

[Joe]

I'm not going to get into any of this, because once Ferg compared athletes to slaves, he lost all credibility in my eyes.

Ever.

The fact that Ferg said he is a teacher really disturbs the hell out of me.

As for Pacman, I definitely see why the Titans don't want him participating in any physical aspects of pro wreslting.

I noticed the other night during his ESPN interview, Jones said he has only been arrested twice. Then I saw someone post earlier that he is a liar. Honestly, I don't remember reading about him having actually been arrested six separate times since he has been in the NFL, so any help on a source that says otherwise would be great.