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Post by theringmaster on Feb 7, 2007 12:55:39 GMT -5
Good arguement billy but it isn't entirely accurate. TNA wrestlers can't wrestler "anywhere" they want. They are under contract to TNA and TNA gives Permission for there guys to do other shows OR they don't. Like example Samoa Joe left ROH with the reason because TNA was worried that Joe would get reinjured there which is where both injuries took place if I am not mistaken. As for Angle from what I have read he is actually recieving more money per-match with TNA then he did with WWE. Of course his schedule is alot lighter so meaning it would be more cash a match but also he is now without the travel schedule most of everything being in Orlando to spend more time with his family. I think this is a reason alot of wrestlers or at least the one's the WWE have taken interest in (Joe, Styles etc.) choose to stay with the smaller brand. There are a few who are in it for the sport and the love of the business but it is a business and most as they should would could do or will take the cash working for Vinnie Mac when given the chance. Not argueing with ya! I like base of your post!!!!!!!
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Post by swarm on Feb 7, 2007 13:36:50 GMT -5
Think about this for just a second: you with the simple minds concentrate alittle harder. Kurt Angle left because he was fired. Let's get that straight right now. Secondly, your argument that "...those WWE wrestlers are stuck and can't go anywhere and have to follow whatever Vince wants them to do..." is pretty hilarious. He's Vince McMahon Billy not Saddam Hussein. You make it sound as if as soon as the WWE guys are done with their match they go to the back where they are locked in a cage and whipped all night without much more given to them than bread and water... The whole point of making it to the WWE is that you can earn a contract so you don't have to wrestle in Mexico or ROH and get paid crap to do it. I've never bought into any argument vs. wanting to make it in the WWE. It's the place that pays the most and if you care about yourself and your family that's where you go. If all you care about is flopping around in front of 100 people working paycheck to paycheck in hopes someone in the WWE will notice you, you go to TNA or ROH. You say "...at least VKM can do what they want..." Well then, why does VKM want to come back to the WWE so bad? Simple minds want to know. |
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Post by BDS on Feb 7, 2007 15:11:00 GMT -5
I've never bought into any argument vs. wanting to make it in the WWE. It's the place that pays the most and if you care about yourself and your family that's where you go. Before I jump in on this destined-to-be-locked thread, let me get a little clarification from the judges on this one: are you speaking specifically in the context of the wrestling industry, or are you speaking in a broader scope covering life in general? |
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Post by gatekeeper on Feb 8, 2007 10:42:15 GMT -5
I've never bought into any argument vs. wanting to make it in the WWE. It's the place that pays the most and if you care about yourself and your family that's where you go. Before I jump in on this destined-to-be-locked thread, let me get a little clarification from the judges on this one: are you speaking specifically in the context of the wrestling industry, or are you speaking in a broader scope covering life in general? Huh? |
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Post by Wildfire on Feb 8, 2007 14:42:17 GMT -5
Before I jump in on this destined-to-be-locked thread, let me get a little clarification from the judges on this one: are you speaking specifically in the context of the wrestling industry, or are you speaking in a broader scope covering life in general? Huh? I think BDS is calling shenanigans on Swarm for saying EVERYONE is all about the money, if that's what Swarm was saying. Its actually a point that has gone round and round the various wrestling discussions we have. Swarm is on record many times saying he thinks its all about the money. Several others (me included) feel there are other things that can motivate people. Hopefully, this nice little summary can prevent said argue from locking another thread. Now back to your regularly scheduled wrestling discussion. |
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Post by swarm on Feb 8, 2007 14:54:09 GMT -5
I have never said it's only about the money. The point is, a guy like Fat Joe or Christopher Daniels (or anyone else who has zero chance of ever making it big in the WWE) could probably make ten times more money doing real estate, or banking or something vs. flopping around ROH and TNA like fish for peanuts.
Hey, I love wrestling too, doesn't mean I'm going to sacrifice a big house, nice car, great food, and stress free living to jump around in front of 100 smarks in some tore up roller rink just so I can "live the dream."
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Post by bmurderh8s on Feb 8, 2007 15:07:23 GMT -5
Lets face it, money is a HUGE motivating factor for anyone. But so is enjoying your work and the enviroment you work in. For some people they wouldn't mind getting paid a little bit less if they enjoyed who they worked for. Who cares if your getting paid lavish amounts of money if you hate your job and your employer. Money doesn't buy hapiness.
Everyone knows how it works in the E. As a wrestler, you have less freedom to ply your trade. You have almost no say over your "gimmick", and the style you wrestle is extremely altered. In other companies thats not the case. And that is why some chose not to work for Vince. And believe it or not, there are those out there who don't work for the E because they don't want to, not because the E wouldn't take them.
Also, a lot of former and current wrestlers who no longer work for the E often will tell you that the locker room in the WWE is extremely bad. A lot of egos and just an overall crappy enviroment where established talent has too much pull and will frequently push down the younger talent when they begin to get over with the fans. Case in point : CM Punk, Way over with the fans but suddenly he's being booked down. Strange ain't it?
Im sure Samoa Joe and Daniels make a pretty decent living. Probably better than a real estate agent. TNA may not be WWE, but they pay their talent more then well. Especially considering the company is funded by Dixie Carter. There's money to be had in TNA.
Like rock bands, if you ask wrestlers, wrestling in front of smaller crowds, 1,000 - 5,000 seats or so is special. it's an intimate setting and offers something that a 20,000 seat arena lacks. Although wrestling in Madison Square garden also has it's perks, When you can get a 2,000 seat arena popping as loud as a 20,000 seat arena, you know you've done something.
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Post by swarm on Feb 8, 2007 15:32:07 GMT -5
When you can get a 2,000 seat arena popping as loud as a 20,000 seat arena, you know you've done something. I'm no scientist but is this even humanly possible if Kevin Wibble is not part of the audience? |
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Post by BDS on Feb 8, 2007 15:44:01 GMT -5
I think BDS is calling shenanigans on Swarm for saying EVERYONE is all about the money, if that's what Swarm was saying. I was trying to figure out how interested I was in arguing the point. While I don't believe it's all about the money for everyone in either pro wrestling or life in general, I disagree much more strongly with one of those statments than I do the other. |
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Post by bmurderh8s on Feb 8, 2007 15:45:03 GMT -5
When you can get a 2,000 seat arena popping as loud as a 20,000 seat arena, you know you've done something. I'm no scientist but is this even humanly possible if Kevin Wibble is not part of the audience? This must be some sort of inside joke because I don't get it. Could somebody clue me in. |
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Post by BDS on Feb 8, 2007 15:45:04 GMT -5
Lets face it, money is a HUGE motivating factor for anyone. But so is enjoying your work and the enviroment you work in. For some people they wouldn't mind getting paid a little bit less if they enjoyed who they worked for. Who cares if your getting paid lavish amounts of money if you hate your job and your employer. Money doesn't buy hapiness. Everyone knows how it works in the E. As a wrestler, you have less freedom to ply your trade. You have almost no say over your "gimmick", and the style you wrestle is extremely altered. In other companies thats not the case. And that is why some chose not to work for Vince. And believe it or not, there are those out there who don't work for the E because they don't want to, not because the E wouldn't take them. Also, a lot of former and current wrestlers who no longer work for the E often will tell you that the locker room in the WWE is extremely bad. A lot of egos and just an overall crappy enviroment where established talent has too much pull and will frequently push down the younger talent when they begin to get over with the fans. Case in point : CM Punk, Way over with the fans but suddenly he's being booked down. Strange ain't it? Im sure Samoa Joe and Daniels make a pretty decent living. Probably better than a real estate agent. TNA may not be WWE, but they pay their talent more then well. Especially considering the company is funded by Dixie Carter. There's money to be had in TNA. Like rock bands, if you ask wrestlers, wrestling in front of smaller crowds, 1,000 - 5,000 seats or so is special. it's an intimate setting and offers something that a 20,000 seat arena lacks. Although wrestling in Madison Square garden also has it's perks, When you can get a 2,000 seat arena popping as loud as a 20,000 seat arena, you know you've done something. DMK has pretty well said everything I could have possibly added to this subject. Thanks for saving me the effort!  |
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Post by swarm on Feb 8, 2007 16:11:13 GMT -5
I'm no scientist but is this even humanly possible if Kevin Wibble is not part of the audience? This must be some sort of inside joke because I don't get it. Could somebody clue me in. One year at GCON Tom had Kevin Wibble (a long time promoter and GCON regular) announce the latest LOW signing and it turned out to be Jim Duggan... and when Kevin announced it it went something like this... "Ladies and Gentlemen... HACKSAAAAWW JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM DUUUUUGGGGAAANNNNNN!!!!!!!!and my ears have never been the same. Admin edit for H-scroll abuse |
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Post by Eliath on Feb 8, 2007 16:38:45 GMT -5
The point is, a guy like Fat Joe or Christopher Daniels (or anyone else who has zero chance of ever making it big in the WWE) Actually, according to Obsessed with Wrestling: Christopher Daniels was in the WWF as Conquistador Dos. ;D |
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Post by Joe on Feb 8, 2007 21:28:51 GMT -5
Everyone knows how it works in the E. As a wrestler, you have less freedom to ply your trade. You have almost no say over your "gimmick", and the style you wrestle is extremely altered. In other companies thats not the case. And that is why some chose not to work for Vince. And believe it or not, there are those out there who don't work for the E because they don't want to, not because the E wouldn't take them. Why do people paint such a dictatorial view of the way WWE is run. First of all, no one, without some serious experience and clout, walks into any company and tells the boss how he is going to do his job. That said, there are numerous guys who have ran with their own gimmicks in WWE. Steve Austin, the Rock, Mick Foley, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Chris Jericho, the Undertaker and Kurt Angle in recent years have all had a lot of control over their gimmicks. Prior to that, Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, Junkyard Dog, Iron Shiek, the Road Warriors, Jake Roberts and Randy Savage all pretty much were the same characters in the WWF as they were prior to their arrival. The idea that a guy who has never made any money anywhere and has a core fanbase of about 50 people should come into the world's largest wrestling organization and tell those in charge how it's going to be is idiotic. That wouldn't fly in any other walk of life, and it doesn't figure to in wrestling, either. |
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Post by ewt on Feb 9, 2007 9:58:53 GMT -5
Secondly, your argument that "...those WWE wrestlers are stuck and can't go anywhere and have to follow whatever Vince wants them to do..." is pretty hilarious. He's Vince McMahon Billy not Saddam Hussein. You make it sound as if as soon as the WWE guys are done with their match they go to the back where they are locked in a cage and whipped all night without much more given to them than bread and water... Hey the line about being locked in a cage after they are done hurt. Perhaps you should know where I work before you make such a bold statement. I am allowed to leave on my days off but that is it. ;D |
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Post by swarm on Feb 9, 2007 20:49:13 GMT -5
It's all about the money baby. That's why Wrestlemania is at Ford Field and not Skate World. Can't wait!
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Post by offspring515 on Feb 10, 2007 1:26:35 GMT -5
Wait, Wrestlemania isn't at skate world this year?
You mean these tickets I bought are useless?
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Post by swarm on Feb 10, 2007 9:36:18 GMT -5
You are familiar with the Skate World eh?
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Post by offspring515 on Feb 10, 2007 12:19:55 GMT -5
Not personally, but friends have told me good things.
Maybe if Hogan is out of Wrestlemania HE'LL be at Skate World.
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Post by swarm on Feb 10, 2007 12:27:19 GMT -5
I would just have to hit up the old Skate World for a few, take in some backward skate with a fine young lady, get some cheesy nachos, maybe get an autograph from The Hulk then get out of there in time to catch the opening match at WRESTLEMANIA!  Write that down. |
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