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Post by swarm on Nov 6, 2006 22:09:40 GMT -5
Who saw this? That tirade had Russo written all over it...how freaking dumb.
Doesn't TNA know that that kind of thing is just going to drive people to watch WWE programming?
Why can't TNA just concentrate on their own roster and leave DX, Vince, and the WWE out of their stupid, cry for attention angles?
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 6, 2006 23:18:41 GMT -5
I actually think worked-shoots can be fairly entertaining based on A) how interesting or "hot" the performers are and B)how relevant the material is.
Take the Edge/Hardy thing. It was a hugely popular topic of conversation on the net, Hardy had a cult following, WWE acted while the topic was hot, and everyone involed gave a good to great performance.
In this case: nobody cared about "the James Gang" to begin with, they've been a waste of space on the roster for months, and they're talking about issues that are more than 5 years old.
Seriously..why not have Cornette cut promos about his problems with Bill watts in the 80s?
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Post by gwffantrav on Nov 6, 2006 23:20:00 GMT -5
I don't think, if this is the same shoot, recent. It was when Kip "Billy" or whatever they call him....first came to TNA.
But really, people buy shoots to hear what happens five years ago and longer PH!
That's why people would buy a shoot with Cornette and his problems with Watts.
They don't care if it's 5 years, 25 years, or 5 months...if it's interesting and has drama and pot shots....people will buy it.
That being said, I've always hated those two, even as the New Age Outlaws. Shame Road Dog got the biggest push out of any of the Armstrong sons, yet didn't have the talent of Brad Armstrong's pinky.
TNA would be better served to get rid of these two and showcase up and comers like AMW or LAX
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 7, 2006 0:07:58 GMT -5
Actually, this is about the "shoot" they did last week where they stormed off the set and said they quit. They both referenced "guys in other companies" that held them back
Also, I know that ther'es market for shoots, Trav. I've actually read many, MANY different transcripts of the shoots for RF Video.
But it has a very limited appeal and you're not going to keep many viewers by doing it on TV unless (as i said) the performers are hot or the material is relevant.
Basically, the James Gang was a bad choice on both counts and the only people who would've cared about a shoot-angle involving those two are the few remaining NAO fans. All 12 of them.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Nov 7, 2006 0:23:57 GMT -5
The angle was not bad and I felt it came off pretty legit. I watched it and I think stuff like this is great. Again, before we all pass judgement see where it goes first.
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 7, 2006 0:28:42 GMT -5
CPB....here's the ting...has the James Gang done anything in the last few months to merit some kind of storyline based on them complaining about how the WWE treated them? Didn't they cut a similar promo a month or so back that got very little fan reaction? Aren't there about a dozen younger guys on that roster that could use some character development?
Even if you don't think the segment was *bad* do you really think spending 10 minutes with these two is the most prudent use of their TV time?
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Post by canadianpittbull on Nov 7, 2006 0:43:23 GMT -5
I think the ball had been dropped by the Booking team as NO ONE had really been used as one would like them to. I think only now since Russo has shown up has there been some actual focus and direction that is much better than before. So far Russo has not given us the sleazy storylines among other things.
If this gets the James Gang into a program and eventually gets them doing something so be it. I would rather see them in the ring or some angle than being on the roster and doing nothing. The young guys are getting their due and how do you know that this "angle" is not just to allow more tv time for the younger guys and tag talent to get their time while they take a hiatus.
Once the 2hrs is in place they will have more time to really flesh stuff out. That being said I don't want them to be heavy on the storylines as they then become just like WWE. They really have to make the wrestling in the forefront and keep the storyline stuff to a minimum.
Again, I will wait to see how it plays out.
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Post by bigeasy on Nov 7, 2006 1:01:19 GMT -5
I didn't watch it.
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Post by PureHatred on Nov 7, 2006 1:02:04 GMT -5
Meh. I'm a big proponent of them trimming the fat on that roster. Most of the big names are basically working on a "per appearance" basis so it wouldn't kill them to let those two go.
I understand what you're sayng..but here's what I imagine: weeks and weeks of teasers and convulated stories about "issues" between the Gang and "management" and then they have to win some match (against all odds!) to get their jobs back and come back with a NEW FIRE..for what? You just spent all that time and effort...so that you could push Jesse James and Billy Gunn??? basically a waste of time IMO.
Probably not a coincedence that they are also some of Russo's oldest friends in the business.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Nov 7, 2006 1:05:29 GMT -5
Well apparently they are taking a hiatus from the company as is Jim Cornette due to health issues.
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Post by gwffantrav on Nov 7, 2006 1:19:43 GMT -5
Personally, I'd like to have seen LAX shoot on Vince. Maybe shoot on him saying he got cold feet in a political climate with the Muhammad Hussein angle and would get cold feet to ever sign LAX.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Nov 7, 2006 1:23:19 GMT -5
James gang taking a hiatus is not only good for them, but allows for the AMW/LAX feud to really take the forefront especially with the Prime Time show coming up.
They are really pushing to have the Prime Time show come off like a PPV...and from the sounds of things it is going to be good.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Nov 7, 2006 1:33:49 GMT -5
The angle was not bad and I felt it came off pretty legit. I watched it and I think stuff like this is great. Again, before we all pass judgement see where it goes first. Well, it might have felt legit if TNA wasn't taped in advance. IT would work on a live show, in other words. On a taped show? Not so much. It feels like an angle. |
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Post by moderntimes on Nov 7, 2006 1:53:22 GMT -5
A) For a worked-shoot to work, it must be relevant. It must feel realistic. Does anyone actually think that any injustices were done to Gunn/Dogg? The only injustice I can think of is that I had to sit through some of the drek they produced on my television screen. No one cares about either person nor does it subversive to go all "ANTI-WWE", shut up about it. No one cares. It doesn't make for compelling television unless the person was a Jericho, etc. Billy Gunn and Road Dogg were done no injustice. They were given the tag team titles and kept around way too long. How many titles reigns did Gunn have? I'm sure the fat checks the two collected as members of DX are still in a bank account somewhere collecting interest.
B) Vince Russo never has, nor will he ever, have any idea about booking a wrestling promotion. Let's not even act like those preceeding him were exactly tipping any IQ-scales either. Someone mentioned they liked the direction and that TNA should kept a focus on the ring. You don't get that Russo. You get hotshot crap booking like we've seen ALL. OVER. THIS. PROMOTION. Lance Storm hit it right on the head. The #1 contenders tournament, Joe/Angle, etc. They do everything so backward and they don't have to. Again as I've been saying for months: YOU HAVE JIM CORNETTE. USE HIM. Don't look outside the promotion when a possible answer is sitting right there.
(It's for reasons like this that TNA will never advance past where they are now. It saddens me because I would like for them to provide really good competition for the WWE. It's just not going to happen.)
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Post by misterb on Nov 7, 2006 2:07:00 GMT -5
Spoiler Alert...
Check out the spoilers for the next Impact tapings. No more James Gang...instead, we get "VKM" and a VKM vs. V(incent) K(ennedy) M(cMahon) feud. Hmmm....sounds a lot like Oklahoma, Juvie, and others in the old WCW.
Yeah, Russo's changed, all right.
Admin Edit -- blacked out; dead space doesn't work for spoilers
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Post by Pride on Nov 7, 2006 9:27:50 GMT -5
the best shoot in history was Shane Douglas in any shoot he does.James Gang is getting old and they dont want to give up their "SPOT".so they arnt going to get some younger talent pushed over on them.they sould take notes from Shane,Konnan,and Jerry LYNN.they new their fire was leaving so they help the younger guy get over.I for one hopes the James Gang leaves for real if they arnt willing to realize their "SPOT" is over and not willing to job to some younger talent willing to job to make an great show.
i said it first so write it down remember it and dont forget it 'cause im the best thing in wrestling today--Tully Blancherd 1985
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Post by swarm on Nov 7, 2006 9:31:52 GMT -5
Spoiler Alert... Check out the spoilers for the next Impact tapings. No more James Gang...instead, we get "VKM" and a VKM vs. V(incent) K(ennedy) M(cMahon) feud. Hmmm....sounds a lot like Oklahoma, Juvie, and others in the old WCW. Yeah, Russo's changed, all right. Admin Edit -- blacked out; dead space doesn't work for spoilersone word, jealously. Unreal.  |
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Post by gatekeeper on Nov 7, 2006 11:07:03 GMT -5
Personally, I'd like to have seen LAX shoot on Vince. Maybe shoot on him saying he got cold feet in a political climate with the Muhammad Hussein angle and would get cold feet to ever sign LAX. I don't know why everyone wants shoot interviews. I think that is stupid. Playing the "Vince treated me bad" card is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO played out. Zzzzzzz We've heard Rhyno, Christian, Dudleys, and now the James Gang do it. It's stupid. If you have to constantly use VKM to have interviews and angles, you suck. It works if not overdone and TNA has definitely used up its share of this tired angle. Let it rest. VKM is pro wrestling. Learn to deal with it. |
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Post by blueraider1 on Nov 7, 2006 11:09:06 GMT -5
time for tna to do new stuff.not do what someone else does cheez.
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Post by swarm on Nov 7, 2006 11:12:05 GMT -5
time for tna to do new stuff.not do what someone else does cheez. neilybob gets it...yet russon doesn't... maybe neilybob should book tna? could be strong. |
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