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Post by BDS on Sept 27, 2006 15:56:42 GMT -5
The announcement, as seen from the standsListen to them ... there's NO WAY the Impact Zone turns on Kurt Angle. He could come out into the ring and start killing puppies, and they'd probably just start chanting "F*** YOU PUP-PIES!"
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Post by ewt on Sept 27, 2006 16:09:25 GMT -5
Jarrett may not put a lot of people over but maybe he realizes what's best for TNA is a series of Jarrett-Jobs.
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Post by Splattercat on Sept 27, 2006 16:24:43 GMT -5
True enough...There may be a chance that he would impose the Triple H treatment on himself...I honestly can't see him putting himself over Angle though, I mean, really...Even HE can't be that dense...
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Post by behindthebook on Sept 28, 2006 8:40:54 GMT -5
Edit: By the way, I'll assume Behindthebook was kidding about turning Jarrett face It was a fever-induced joke. About an hour or so later I was sent home from work ill.
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Post by Wildfire on Sept 28, 2006 11:20:39 GMT -5
I actually don't think Angle will have a title run any time soon.. .here's how I see it:
1) Sting leaves after losing at Bound for Glory.. next up Joe-Jarrett for the title
2) Joe takes the title from Jarrett at next PPV with Angle's help
3) Joe feuds with Christian for the title, while the main even feud is Jarrett-Angle
Hopefully by that time (say mar or April) Jarrett will realize he needs to not be the top heel, and some good will go on, rather than Jarrett taking the title back at King of the mountain next year
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Post by BDS on Sept 28, 2006 11:35:36 GMT -5
Hopefully by that time (say mar or April) Jarrett will realize he needs to not be the top heel, and some good will go on, rather than Jarrett taking the title back at King of the mountain next year This comes from Wade Keller's recent updates, so take it for what you will. But he's reporting that Jarrett is definitely getting pushed down the card in the very near future. The storylines that were in place leading up to Bound for Glory will largely stay in place, and after that they'll be pushing Jarrett down the card in favor of Angle, Joe, and etc. Edit: This mandate supposedly came from Dixie, by the way. She decided to make this move after this last run of all of the shows centering on Jarrett and company and the associated horrible ratings.
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Post by JED-SE on Sept 28, 2006 11:49:47 GMT -5
Edit: By the way, I'll assume Behindthebook was kidding about turning Jarrett face It was a fever-induced joke. About an hour or so later I was sent home from work ill. lol, I hope you feel better. Get plenty of rest and drink chicken noodle soup
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Post by Wildfire on Sept 28, 2006 11:58:33 GMT -5
This comes from Wade Keller's recent updates, so take it for what you will. But he's reporting that Jarrett is definitely getting pushed down the card in the very near future. The storylines that were in place leading up to Bound for Glory will largely stay in place, and after that they'll be pushing Jarrett down the card in favor of Angle, Joe, and etc. Edit: This supposedly comes from Dixie, by the way. She decided to make this move after this last run of all of the shows centering on Jarrett and company and the associated horrible ratings. That's great if it's true.. probably more important then Angle to the future of TNA!!
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Post by Mike M on Sept 28, 2006 14:12:39 GMT -5
You know, if I was writing TNA, which I’m not (you can tell because the charisma black hole Senshi is still the X-Division champion), I think I would book Kurt Angle as. . . Well, basically , as Swarm. I would have him come out and totally rip the TNA product. Have him bag on the six-sided ring. Have him shoot on the spot monkeys in the x-division and the roster of has-beens, also-rans, and never-weres. Have rip into the impact zone fans for their annoying dueling chants. Hell, have him bring up the fire and mock Samoa Joe’s build. Instantly, he’d be the top heel in company. I would almost definitely start getting TNA PPVs if this happened.
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Post by behindthebook on Sept 28, 2006 15:44:11 GMT -5
I think it would be the best way for them to go with him. And with the repots of Russo taking over and Dixie laying down the law, it would be a way for the “new” power structure to basically give a nod to the critics of what had been going on. My biggest concern about Kurt Angle in TNA, aside from the much documented health issues (what are there now 7 threads on that?), is that they won't utilize him well. That he'll languish and basically be TNA's equivalent of Bret Hart's WCW run. Does that make sense? Still sick here.
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Post by chris72 on Oct 3, 2006 18:55:45 GMT -5
I think jeff would put angle over.Personally i like jeff jarret as a heel.But the fans do seem to really hate him,which according to wrestling pyschology would justify him being the champ,because like jim cornette said people will pay good money to see jeff jarret get pinned and lose the title. i mean he's not a monster heel like the big show or Paganax from the aCe where it's going to be some monumental event when he get's pinned,but he is so hated that people will mark when he does lose the belt.I would perhaps leave the belt on him for a while and continue to feed of the actual hate it seems like jeff jarret garners from the fans,imagine the heat if jj actually beat joe and the other top stars of tna,it would make it that much more meaningful when he did drop the belt.
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Post by mwjergs on Oct 4, 2006 8:14:37 GMT -5
Not exactly. There is a difference between wanting to see someone get beat up and lose the belt and just hoping that the person goes away.
I've seen Jarret enough. He gives the same lame promos week after week. His mentions that TNA management are out to get him are laughable. He is management and everyone knows it. He makes me want to turn the channel not stay glued to the show to watch him get his come uppance.
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Post by Mike M on Oct 4, 2006 8:55:48 GMT -5
Not exactly. There is a difference between wanting to see someone get beat up and lose the belt and just hoping that the person goes away. I've seen Jarret enough. He gives the same lame promos week after week. His mentions that TNA management are out to get him are laughable. He is management and everyone knows it. He makes me want to turn the channel not stay glued to the show to watch him get his come uppance. Yet Trips feuds with Vince and Shane and it's more believable? I agree that Jarret needs to step out of the spotlight for a time, just like Trips did. That being said, we all know wrestling's staged, and sometimes we need to remember to suspend our disbelief.
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Post by vansabu on Oct 4, 2006 10:45:51 GMT -5
What part of PA are you from? Im out of Uniontown.
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Post by mwjergs on Oct 5, 2006 19:36:38 GMT -5
Not exactly. There is a difference between wanting to see someone get beat up and lose the belt and just hoping that the person goes away. I've seen Jarret enough. He gives the same lame promos week after week. His mentions that TNA management are out to get him are laughable. He is management and everyone knows it. He makes me want to turn the channel not stay glued to the show to watch him get his come uppance. Yet Trips feuds with Vince and Shane and it's more believable? I agree that Jarret needs to step out of the spotlight for a time, just like Trips did. That being said, we all know wrestling's staged, and sometimes we need to remember to suspend our disbelief. No it's not. I don't think I ever mentioned that. This was a Jarret thread. But since you asked. At least they have winked at the fact that HHH is his son-in law. I mean suspending disbelief is a bit harder these days when you pay attention to all the news that is out there. I know that much of HHH's backlash is warranted from his past but he has done quite a bit to put others over as well. Jarrett is a 7 time NWA champ that has some very good talent around him and he doesn't need to be the focus of the show week after week. They have many other stars to build from.
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Post by theamazingbadger on Oct 7, 2006 1:47:31 GMT -5
True enough...There may be a chance that he would impose the Triple H treatment on himself...I honestly can't see him putting himself over Angle though, I mean, really...Even HE can't be that dense... He didn't put himself over Christian, Samoa Joe or Rhino so what's the big worry about Jarrett putting himself over Angle?
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Post by misterb on Oct 7, 2006 2:30:24 GMT -5
I said this before in a thread about HHH, but the same goes here. It's not just putting a guy over that counts - it's what happens AFTER that counts as well.
Jarrett put Rhino over. And wins the belt two weeks later. And sends Rhino into a midcard slide for a year+. Who came out on top?
Jarrett put Christian over. Who feuds with Abyss in a "world" title feud that no one gets excited over. Who loses the belt BACK to Jarrett (still hanging around the top spot) in a convoluted and poorly-conceived/received storyline.
Has Rhino benefited from being "put over"? Not in the least. Has Christian benefited from being "put over"? A little, but he hasn't set the world on fire, and now it's taking a heel/tweener turn to heat him back up.
Now, Jarrett has started putting Joe over. So far, so good. Except I also seem to remember Jarrett putting Joe over in a tag match a while back. How much has that done for Joe's career? Oh yeah, he "lost" his belt right after that career-changing push. Now he's got possession of the belt, he's being heated up again, and it looks like he may finally get his chance to take the ball and run with it. Does Angle's signing put any of this in jeopardy? Very possible. He could still benefit in the long run, but judging from how he has been handled in the past, I wouldn't bet on going over Jarrett equaling a benefit.
And now it's Angle's turn. Sure, Jarrett could put him over by avoiding him for a few months, talking him up, then tapping in their first match. But it also depends on what happens AFTER he puts someone over. Benoit, as much as I am a mark for him, is a classic example of someone who was put over (HHH) but was still held back. Jarrett could do the same to Angle - he's already done it to Rhino and Christian, and evidence shows he could be doing it as we speak to Joe.
I keep reading that DCarter is putting her weight behind getting Jarrett out of the top spot. Let's hope it works. TNA could use guys like Joe, Angle, and Christian at the top, and keeping Jarrett as far away from it as possible will only help. Their push has to continue AFTER to make sure they don't become Benoit v2.0.
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Post by theamazingbadger on Oct 8, 2006 2:29:35 GMT -5
Rhino: Lost his title to Jarrett but is still one of the more popular men in TNA and was part of the main event in the WarGames style match as part of Sting's team. I've always considered him part of the upper midcard of TNA, I don't think he's done too badly.
Christian Cage: Technically wasn't beaten by Jarrett, even though Jarrett was eventually awarded the title by Cornette for some reason. Went on to betray Sting and is currently one of the top heels TNA has. Doesn't seem held back to me at all, though admittedly that's my opinion.
Samoa Joe: Pinned Jarrett cleanly twice and is the only person in recent memory who hasn't been knocked senseless when clobbered by Jarrett's guitar. Currently in a hot feud with Jarrett with TNA seemingly setting up a possible feud with Abyss later on, possibly for the title. There's also room for Joe to feud with Sting and Christian depending upon the outcome of the title match at Bound for Glory. Arguably Joe is the hottest singles act TNA has going at the moment.
Just my opinion though.
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Post by misterb on Oct 8, 2006 12:16:03 GMT -5
Again, putting someone over is NOT just losing to them. Look at how they are booked afterwards. Again, my prime example is Benoit. How many times did HHH put him over in 04-05? At WMXX, at Backlash afterwards, at Vengeance, on Raw in the Ironman Match, and the next year on Raw on the Gold Rush Tournament. During that same time period, how many times did HHH put himself over Benoit? Once, on Raw, right before losing the belt to Batista. Going by the numbers, that's a hell of a lot of effort put into losing to Benoit.
Now look at how both were booked afterwards. Benoit was kept strong until Backlash due to the Canadian audiences around that show, then was moved DOWN the pecking order. While he fights Kane, HHH is involved with HBK. Who's got the bigger push? When HHH goes back up against Benoit, the focus is on Eugene, not the champ. Then, Benoit loses to Orton, and immediately goes back to the upper midcard. All those wins over HHH, but can one really say he was "put over"?
Yes, Jarrett has not necessarily lost to any of the three you mentioned. But, of those three, how many were positioned as main event players? Rhino? Not at all. Christian? Started to be, but that push fell off the wayside too. It does seem like Joe is being positioned that way, but I could have said the same thing for the last 6 months, and it hasn't been followed up on.
If TNA is smart, they will keep up the new push and make Joe the standard-bearer for the promotion. But that also includes pushing him to the moon AFTER he gets the belt. How many PPVs would Rhino or Christian sell today if they headlined? Not too many. Joe could. Angle will. UNLESS they are both ruined in the booking by Jarrett, just like he's done MANY times in the past.
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Post by Mad Dog on Oct 13, 2006 22:23:07 GMT -5
There's a big difference between Jarrett and HHH. Jarrett almost always has to cheat and get help to win while HHH would beat guys clean. HHH does a lot of little things to make the face look stupid and then castrates him in the actual match. In the case of several guys that was it for them as being able to be a top of the card guy. Heel HHH was booked like a face for almost his entire big run.
Jarrett's a true heel in that he always has to do something sneaky to get the upper hand on the face. In the big matches he almost always has to resort to the guitar to get the win. So it's your traditional heel. Also his feud with Rhino last year is when Rhino actually started to get over. The build up to their final match got Rhino over enough to where it didn't matter if he won or lost. Christian failed as the champion because he had to get past the point of the fans cheering him and isn't quite as good as a babyface. Once he went heel he got over again as well.
Samoa Joe is a great example of how Jarrett and HHH are different. Joe's walking around with Jarrett's belt right now and daring him to do something about it. That would've never happened in WWE booking as HHH never looked weak during his big run. And even during the DX run he's buried the entire Raw tag team division in a matter of 3 months.
Jarrett also had a really hot program with Raven back in 2003 that did draw money for them but they couldn't give Raven the belt because he wouldn't sign a written contract at the time.
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