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Post by vansabu on Sept 25, 2006 17:06:22 GMT -5
Kurt Angle is a real wrestling talent. That said it is a shame that Jarrett will never put him over fully. Am I right? Let Me Know!
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Post by Splattercat on Sept 25, 2006 22:35:53 GMT -5
I'm still maintaining that we won't see Angle in a full-time schedule for a long time, if at all...As such we wont' see Angle vs. Jarrett for a long time...if at all...
I could be wrong of course...
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Post by Mad Dog on Sept 25, 2006 23:37:17 GMT -5
SPOILERS AHEAD...
Angle won't be getting in the ring at Bound for Glory. The earliest he'll be wrestling a match is when they move to primetime in November. And even then he probably won't wrestle until the November PPV. I wouldn't be surprised if it was December or maybe even January before Angle actually had a singles match.
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Post by Splattercat on Sept 26, 2006 0:11:33 GMT -5
Well, so far that's good news...
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Post by pikemojo on Sept 26, 2006 1:08:39 GMT -5
Well, Angle probably won't wrestle a full schedule but then again neither does Jarrett. He wrestles almost exclusively on ppvs now. With a slogan like "We are wrestling" you would think that Jarrett would have to put Angle over. Only time will tell.
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Post by BDS on Sept 26, 2006 5:58:54 GMT -5
I'm really hoping that the new slogan signals a change in attitude. Be it a shift in the in-ring product, a shift in focus to build the company around Angle, or whatever, I just want to see a change.
I've read the spoilers for the next couple of weeks, and it doesn't seem too bad. There was no overtly Russonian crap, and the big storyline on the shows revloved around *gasp* the belt. Here's hoping that this continues.
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Post by bmurderh8s on Sept 26, 2006 8:41:49 GMT -5
Some people don't like TNA because it's a rival to their beloved WWF and no mater what have nothing good to say about the product. Even with all the bad things, TNA still has some redeeming qualities.
The whole Angle was going to die arguement is moot if TNA lets him rest up, and get back into good shape. SInce the work schedule is far lighter then the WWE's, I think this is a perfect fit for him. TRashing TNA for signing him is very weak. When in fact signing him was a smart thing to doand something VKM would definitely do if he were on the other end of the stick. For all the talk about "getting it" and whats good for budsiness, when TNA makes a smart business choice, it's bashed repeatedly. Makes no sense.
Its in my opinion, that if he wrestles only once or twice every two months, he's in no danger of dying. With the WWE he was wrestling what? 3, 4 times a week? His body couldn't handle the work load, that won't be the case with TNA.
The good things about TNA are easy to notice. Workrate! workrate! workrate! They have fine talent littered all over the roster, and they let them wrestle. They may not push them the way fans would like, but they do let them ply their trade. And I'm assuming TNA gives guys mor freedme on the mic rather then making them recite from a script. Which is also very positive.
On average TNA puts out some pretty entertaining wrestling matches. Their angles and booking sense are very questoinable, but if all you focused on were what went on in the ring, then TNA would be heads and shoulders above WWE.
Recently it seems TNA has been cleaning up their act. It appears they are finally listening to fans and making good choices.
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Post by JED-SE on Sept 26, 2006 10:20:40 GMT -5
If Jarrett was willing to put Christian over, I can't see why he wouldn't put Angle over.
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Post by vansabu on Sept 26, 2006 10:37:35 GMT -5
The talent in TNA all can wrestle, from the bottom to the top. Great company and I have always enjoyed looking forward to thursday nights. Congrats TNA - Angle was a great catch.
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Post by Joe on Sept 26, 2006 16:20:24 GMT -5
The whole Angle was going to die arguement is moot if TNA lets him rest up, and get back into good shape. SInce the work schedule is far lighter then the WWE's, I think this is a perfect fit for him. TRashing TNA for signing him is very weak. When in fact signing him was a smart thing to doand something VKM would definitely do if he were on the other end of the stick. For all the talk about "getting it" and whats good for budsiness, when TNA makes a smart business choice, it's bashed repeatedly. Makes no sense. Its in my opinion, that if he wrestles only once or twice every two months, he's in no danger of dying. With the WWE he was wrestling what? 3, 4 times a week? His body couldn't handle the work load, that won't be the case with TNA. Even though journalists sometimes take creative liberties when writing a piece to add drama, comedy, etc., the article LWPD posted about Angle in the No Surrender thread was downright chilling. If the story even holds partial truth, which no doubt it does, Angle's problems probably won't go away just by resting up. Angle's injuries and chemical dependency issues date back nearly two decades, and they most likely will haunt him as long as he is physically exerting himself in the capacity in which he does. Sadly, this may be the end of the road for Kurt Angle in more ways than one. |
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Post by Knapik on Sept 26, 2006 16:34:36 GMT -5
Well thats the point I guess - he won't be physically exerting himself as he is used to. Down the road, a couple matches a MONTH... he can recover physically and handle addictions as well as make a living and provide for his family. This can be seen as a new beginning for Angle, and I wish him the best of luck with it
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Post by the sleeper on Sept 26, 2006 19:17:38 GMT -5
I was going to post a poll about how long people think it will be until Angle is NWA World Champion but I might as well post the question here. I was thinking sometime around Feb or March even if he'd only wrestled once or twice up to that point. I was also thinking about Angle moving right in to a match for the Title as his first match?
I think the comments about his health are very valid, and in many ways Angle seems to be 'bad news' waiting to happen and I'm now sure that is why WWE had to cut ties to him. They couldn't handle another Eddie, especially one they could see happening. It was the right decision.
The TNA schedule is light at its worst, and Angle will not be working a 'full schedule'. I won't blame them if something happens, just like I wouldn't have blamed WWE if he had come back to them and wrestled twice a month.
I wonder how long his health issues will overshadow the fact that Kurt Angle will now be wrestling in TNA?
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Post by Splattercat on Sept 26, 2006 23:34:28 GMT -5
I'm going to go WAY out on a limb and say comparing Angle to Eddie isn't a good idea...
WWE single handedly took a superstar that met his premature end and turned him into a legend AFTER he died...He's been in bigger ongoing storylines, had more exposure and more spotlight post mortem, than at any other time after his World Title run...
I seriously doubt the same thing would happen to Angle (or anyone else for that matter) if he "died on their watch"...Just a sidethought...
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Post by Joe on Sept 27, 2006 7:35:26 GMT -5
I'm going to go WAY out on a limb and say comparing Angle to Eddie isn't a good idea... WWE single handedly took a superstar that met his premature end and turned him into a legend AFTER he died...He's been in bigger ongoing storylines, had more exposure and more spotlight post mortem, than at any other time after his World Title run... I seriously doubt the same thing would happen to Angle (or anyone else for that matter) if he "died on their watch"...Just a sidethought... Jim Morrison, James Dean, Tupac Shakur, Notorious B.I.G., Kurt Cobain... I could go on. All of these people became bigger stars after passing than when they were alive. The best thing to happen to some of their careers, specifically Dean, Biggie and, maybe, Cobain, is they died. That, for some reason, is the American Way. Sad as it is to say, if Kurt Angle actually stopped breathing in the middle of TNA's 6-sided ring on a PPV (which I don't think will happen), he will become the most talked about, legendary star in wrestling history. Maybe that is what he is shooting for. |
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Post by bmurderh8s on Sept 27, 2006 7:39:29 GMT -5
I'm not saying I'd like to see him die in the ring, but it would be something that would definitely get a lot of people talking.
I could see Jarrett put Angle over. It just seems in the past month or two, TNA has been making strides to improve their product. They realize the fans hate JJ, and I think he does too. So he's using that to his advantage. If Bound for Glory goes off like they've advertised it to, it could put TNA on the wrestling map and solidify their position as a no. 2.
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Post by Splattercat on Sept 27, 2006 9:08:35 GMT -5
I'm going to go WAY out on a limb and say comparing Angle to Eddie isn't a good idea... WWE single handedly took a superstar that met his premature end and turned him into a legend AFTER he died...He's been in bigger ongoing storylines, had more exposure and more spotlight post mortem, than at any other time after his World Title run... I seriously doubt the same thing would happen to Angle (or anyone else for that matter) if he "died on their watch"...Just a sidethought... Jim Morrison, James Dean, Tupac Shakur, Notorious B.I.G., Kurt Cobain... I could go on. All of these people became bigger stars after passing than when they were alive. The best thing to happen to some of their careers, specifically Dean, Biggie and, maybe, Cobain, is they died. That, for some reason, is the American Way. Sad as it is to say, if Kurt Angle actually stopped breathing in the middle of TNA's 6-sided ring on a PPV (which I don't think will happen), he will become the most talked about, legendary star in wrestling history. Maybe that is what he is shooting for. Well sure, add to that Elvis Presley and Jimi hendrix if you like, but most of who you mentioned are musicians...The music industry is far and away a different concept from pro-wrestling...Musicians, especially those you mentioned, carry their own message, and deliver it in a far more widespread medium than Pro-wrestling... Wrestlers are essentially foot soldiers...Almost to a man they perform when and how their company wants to perform, and more importantly convey what message their company wants them to convey...Occasionally one comes along that has enough impact to change the way things go...Eddie Guerrero wasn't one of those guys when he died (in my opinion), and his legacy was used to garner ratings...He didn't so much live on in his fans memories as much as he was rammed down their throats...He only just stopped headlining pay per views, and even now, a year later, he's still in a storyline... Like I said, I doubt this same "Legacy" awaits Angle...Should he succumb to an untimely end, he'll have his memorial matches and shows, and thay'll talk about him for a few weeks, and that will be it...No Storylines, no identity theft, and (deep breath) no "I told you so's"... |
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Post by behindthebook on Sept 27, 2006 11:51:20 GMT -5
You know, if I was writing TNA, which I’m not (you can tell because the charisma black hole Senshi is still the X-Division champion), I think I would book Kurt Angle as. . . Well, basically , as Swarm.
I would have him come out and totally rip the TNA product. Have him bag on the six-sided ring. Have him shoot on the spot monkeys in the x-division and the roster of has-beens, also-rans, and never-weres. Have rip into the impact zone fans for their annoying dueling chants. Hell, have him bring up the fire and mock Samoa Joe’s build.
Instantly, he’d be the top heel in company.
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Post by Splattercat on Sept 27, 2006 12:38:21 GMT -5
Doing all that would work and draw serious heat for sure, but it wouldn't so much make him top heel in the company, as it would put him right below Jeff Jarrett, which is exactly where we DON'T want him to be...
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Post by behindthebook on Sept 27, 2006 14:12:55 GMT -5
True. . . I've been racking my brain all afternoon trying to come up with a response to that. . . And the only thing I've thought of is the worst three word sentience imaginable:
JARRETT FACE TURN!
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Post by JED-SE on Sept 27, 2006 15:47:27 GMT -5
Doing all that would work and draw serious heat for sure, but it wouldn't so much make him top heel in the company, as it would put him right below Jeff Jarrett, which is exactly where we DON'T want him to be... Knowing the Impact zone, they'd still cheer for him. The negative crowd reaction might last 5 minutes and they'd start cheering for him again.  Edit: By the way, I'll assume Behindthebook was kidding about turning Jarrett face |
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